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2009- Its hilarious because once I said I'd never spend 300$ on a doll and look at me now lol. I have turned vegetarian early on this year, and I went raw vegan for a time. (admittedly, I still like to eat tasty animals, I just wont because the kind of animals they sell are tortured for all their lives. If I killed an animal to eat it I wouldnt mind consuming it. I mind supporting torture.) Still, this shit is priceless so I'm not deleting any of my comments. Vegans still suck. You cant live without consuming. Birds still die all the time. But I don't mind killing, I mind torture:Vegans suck.
VEGANISM IS WRONG.
Maybe when all these vegan preach about thier not harming animals they should think about the farmers who plow thier wheat, KILLING HUNDREDS OF TINY GROUND NESTING BIRDS AND OTHER CUTE ANIMALS. This PROVES that we MUST kill animals to eat and be sustained. (Well for hte most part) AND BESIDES eaating the fucking beautiful plants is killing the ANIMALS goddamm food so obviously they die too. What about the plants? OH YOU CAN KILL THEM AND THOUSANDS OF GROUND NESTING BIRDS BUT NOT FUCKING COWS?!
There is NO excuse for veganism and NO way to try and proclaim it good. No matter what, if you eat wheat or any other ground grown product you are killing birds and squirrels and stuff. Too bad vegans suck. Also, cows who are pregnant have to be milked or they may get infected.
Geschlech: GAYgans
ZombiepirAteAya: If I find a dead cow carcass Im makin LEATHER
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for the record if you don't milk a cow it will not explode dumbass. cows give milk for the same reason any other animal does. FOR THEIR CALVES!! and it isn't just the fact that they are killing animals that bothers me. It is actually very inhumane. Often times they boil chickens alive, slit pigs throats while they are conscious, and same for cows in the factories. If you don't believe me got to youtube and type in meet your meat.
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LOL.some people choose vegetarian diet just for dietary purposes...to loose a little weight and have cleaner bowel movements. XDD yay what fun. Some still eat seafood and stuff like that just not pork or red meats and chicken. Its a pretty effective diet.
I say as long as your not in some one else's face do what you want when i you want, if someone wants to be a veggie eater it doesn't bother me as long as they don't snatch my hamburger.
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Its true! Vegetarians and dietary vegans are all and well, I think this was attacking those self righteous vegans! Thanks for the comment
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This is probably the best thing on the internet.
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Words cannot say how awesome I think this is!
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Holy Jebus...... I guess I know how I am going to die, probably on somebody's platter. It's not my fault I grew up not eating meat. Injustice, I say.... Nice Job anyway......
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Vegans drive me insane... >.<
The thing is simply that it is natural for animals to eat other animals. That's just the way it is.
Excellent work though. Picture made me laugh. ^.^
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Huh... I wonder...
Since vegans eat nothing but plants, and cows eat nothing but plants... do vegans taste like beef?
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Hard to tell. I am certain they will lack vital nutrients.
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Yeah... you're probably right. But I still think we should be allowed to find out. After all... SOYLENT GREEN IS... vegans! :3
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I have good vegan friends. I've trained them to stop calling me "fucking carnivore". xD; I agree with the whole...torture of animals before killing them is bad. I mean, they RAPE cows to force them to produce milk. But I'm an omnivore, dammit! And I'm going to eat the meat I need! *gwaar*
Lovely artsies. What a sexy zombie!
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In the wild all animals 'rape' other animals. These days most cows are artificially ins..whatever anyways. Almost none of them actually perform the act of sex. But if you know anything about wildlife, which I studied throughout my college years (4 long ones) you know that in the wild the male will overcome the female, take her with or without her permission. It's the natural way of things. And it is all animals way of life to breed. Breeding is the only reason they are around, really. And eating and pooping. They in no way RAPE cows, they usually inject some stuff into thier ovaries. Or like in the wild, the bull will mount them etc. If you find a farm that is having sex with cows, please tell me and I myself will go burn it down.
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But in the wild higher and more intelligent animals don't rape other animals of different species. Lionesses and other females have willing sex in order to continue on their species. People either repeatedly impregnate the cows (sure, that's keeping the species so yea) or they stimulate the cows themselves (with their hands), tricking their bodies into thinking they are pregnant. Which makes the cows extremely uncomfortable. Not to mention many dairy farms keep hundred of cows in cramped 'living situations', equivalent to techniques used in human 'torture' for, say, information and junk like that.
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I don't pay attention to those farms because they arent the type of farm I buy meat from. If you want a high and mighty stand, dont buy from cooped chickens and buy free range cow too. And yes, al wild animals 'rape'. I dont know if youve ever seen or heard anything on lions in africa, but the males fight for rights and chase the female around until they dominate her and mate. I studied them four years, I know fairly well about wildlife and animals. Disregarding the blatant, like Praying Mantises and Black Widows, almost all of nature has the male dominating the female thing. It's not about whether the female wants it, its about being breeding season. Dogs, cats, birds, rodents, all 'rape' because they always have to chase the female around. Animals do not think of sex as sexy, it's simply thier instinctual habit to reproduce. Nothing about it is appealing, so in essence, all animals are raped. It does not cause cows discomfort to be artificially inseminated. In any way. Even a person sticking thier hand in there to do the trick will discomfort them no wore than a thorn in thier hoof. You know why? they dont think of sex as sexy. They dont think of the hand as scandalous or violated in any way shape or form. Thier sex is only meant to breed. Not like ours where we put spiritual meaning on it. None of them are 'willing' because they dont have to will it, it's an instinctual thing. And animals are instinct.
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But the point of the females resisting is to ensure that the males are the strongest and best of the best. To be sure that those are the ones they should be mating with in order to produce the toughest young. Yea, their instinct, so it is in no way rape because it is what they feel they must do in order to further the species.
Of course animals don't find sex sexy. They are incapable of actual love. So I suppose you could make the argument that it is technically rape because the females don't love the males, but they do want to have sex with them. It's not as if the males beat the females down and force themselves on them. They bug them and keep trying to mount until they give in. If the females really didn't want it, at least in many species, they really could avoid it or beat the males' asses.
It isn't the cows instinct to have a human hand up her butt. It's in no way natural or right when you look at it. Unless the cows are indeed impregnated by a bull (and if they are so in their natural time to breed, it's not like wild animals are constantly lactating) then it is still quite unnatrual.
And, as I said before, it is mostly the situations in which corporations and farms and such hold the animals that provokes vegans into their lifestyle. Hormones and overfeeding and torturous ways of slaughtering the animals. I realize that not all farms and the like torture the animals, and I am not a vegan/vegetarian myself. I questioned one of my vegan friends whether she would eat meat if she were sure that all the animals were humanely treated and killed, but she still said no because veganism is a healthier way of life for her too. Although for young humans and people who don't find ways to get their protein vegetarianism and veganism can be dangerous, my vegan friends are intellects and cooks who have found ways to ensure that their bodies get all of the vitamins/minerals/etc. that they need.
I did not initially comment in order to provoke argument. You've made a point and I've made a point and I don't think either of us were swayed. Hah. I respect your art and your opinions. I suppose I should be sorry that I mentioned my own when there was a high chance of starting a squabble.
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Of course I agree. This is no argument, it's an intruiging debate. If I came off argumentative, I didnt intend to, I am in no way offended by that sort of thing. I take everything as a debate and hope everyone does the same. This is an opinion we are sharing, either way. Vegan lifestyle is very healthy but lacks some of the proteins we find in meats, so some vegans, if not properly dieatarily structed, will loose alot of nutrients they need. It is also not healthy for children. But it is really, as I think I have stated before, the self righteous vegans that piss me off. Alot of the ones I meet on the streets are those types, and really irk the shit out of me. Of course, self rigteousness in all respects is very irksome. But nonetheless, I direct my anti-veganism at those vegans who think they don't kkill animals with thier lifestyle, etc. Those doing it for health purposes are out of the loop here. Of course, I wouldnt date a male vegan, because it shows too much compassion or health-thought on thier part and I want a mean gruff man who is very masculine and has no time to think about that sort of thing, nor cares about the health or compassionate aspects of anything, really.
Oh yes, I dream. Oh yes, finid me an angry korean pop star who inadvertantly is the son of a big mafia leader. I shall be happy. Someday, someday.
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Cows have to be milked or they'll explode? Yeah. Just like I have to jack off or my nuts will pop. Did your mother's breasts explode when she stopped breastfeeding you? (If she even did at all?)
Fact is shit dies everyday, and you're making an unfair generalization (not to mention getting your opinions from Maddox, an online satirist) about people who don't want to directly contribute to the meat and dairy industries.
Here's MY excuse for veganism: I DON'T FUCKING NEED ONE.
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Dairy cows are constantly impregnated to produce the milk we love and enjoy. While this act of impregnation isnt humane, the result is that the cow lactates to produce milk for her child. If this milk is not SQUEEZED OUT THROUGH HER BREASTS they can get severe infection other ailments. Internal organs can explode. This is a natural way of life, produce milk, kids drink it, so when it doesnt happen, bad things happen. In other words: Cows can and do die if they arent milked should they be lactating. I have no idea what maddox is nor have read any funny things on the net about veganism. Veganism in self-righteousness, is wrong. You will kill animals no matter who and what you are eating. It's impossible to stop it. It's the righteous animal activist that I mainly attack. You have mental problems to be getting so worked up about something you found on the internet XD
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Oh, btw... Meat eaters actually "kill" more plants than vegans. The animals you eat have to be fed on, guess what, plants! and animals waste a lot of the energy in the plants as they convert it into meat.
Yes, some animals are killed in the farming on plants. But as I just said, more plants have to be farmed for a meat-based diet than a vegan one.
"There is NO excuse for veganism and NO way to try and proclaim it good."
This is true of meat-eating, not veganism.
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Did you know that when you outlaw the use of certain animals, they often go extinct?
Did you know that legalizing buffalo ranching is the only reason there are still buffalo in this world, and not Dodos? (nobody ranched them for their meat!)
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Cows fart methane gas. Methane gas is the main component of the atmosphere on Neptune.
There is no life on Neptune.
Plants, on the other hand, take in carbon dioxide and turn it into breathable oxygen.
Plus, PLANTS ARE STILL ALIVE WHEN YOU START TO EAT THEM.
SAVE THE PLANET, EAT A COW!
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Plants have no central nervous system, so they can't think or feel pain or fear.
Ok, sure... Eat the cows. But don't breed any more.
I say do away with all farm animals. We do not need them, they compete with us for water, food and land and they limit our potential farmland productivity by being inefficient energy converters.
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Dude... [link]
By the way, Mr. Animal-lover, are you suggesting an unfair genocide of farm animals? Don't they have the right to live, Mr. Hypocrite? To me, they have the right to live, and breed, then be eaten. So I'm no hypocrite.
We breed cows so we can eat them. Why? Because, we're higher on the food chain, that's why. I didn't fight my way to te top of the food chain just to not eat animals 'cause I think it's *cruel*.
We treat our farm animals with kindness and respect, we feed them, shelter them, and provide a safe environment for them. In exchange, we take what we need (after letting them repopulate). What? That doesn't sound fair? Well, guess what, hon. Life isn't fair. Mother Nature does not give a damn about animal rights. If she did, then there would be no predators, no disease, no competition... no life at all, come to think of it. We live in a world that is precariously balanced- predators keep the prey population from getting out of hand- and when the predators die, their bodies decompose and help nourish plants, which the prey eat. It's- to borrow from The Lion King- the circle of life, man. So just give it up. You aren't going to convince me that what I'm doing is wrong. I can think for myself, thank you.
You don't have to eat animals if you don't want to... but don't force your beliefs on other people. That's why the vast majority of the world hates PeTA- not only do they force their beliefs down our throats and brainwash people into believing their lies, they are also hypocrites. They claim to love animals, but they've killed more than 20,000 pets (or, in PeTA terms, "companion animals") in the past YEAR alone.
So, think before you speak. My opinion of you has already gone down several points. Please don't make it hit rock bottom.
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"By the way, Mr. Animal-lover, are you suggesting an unfair genocide of farm animals?"
Farm animals have been subjected to a holocaust of unimaginable scale that started as soon as humans realised they had the ability to control and use animals for their own ends. In my opinion, farm animals are not natural. They were created by us for our use, their very existence is artificial. I'm not suggesting "genocide" I'm suggesting that instead of continuing to breed and eat them, we let them quietly fade into history.
We breed cows so we can eat them. Why? Because, we're higher on the food chain, that's why. I didn't fight my way to te top of the food chain just to not eat animals 'cause I think it's *cruel*
You didn't fight your way to the top of anything. You were born into a world where humans act like they have a right to be at the top of the food chain. You never had to fight for that.
Now, do you even understand how food chains operate?
Eating animals only works when the human population is small. Carnivorous predators can't exist in large populations because of the way food chains work.
Because each level we add to our food chain produces unnecessary waste, when we farm animals, they are, during their lifetimes, competing with us for food, land and water. And when they die, to do not make up for the resources they consumed while they were alive. Most of the food we feed to animals is wasted in their metabolic processes. Animal farming in very, very inefficient.
We humans have, in the last 50 to 100 years or so, begun to exceed the population numbers which can reasonably be supported on a diet which includes meat. We are running out of resources and must find ways to lessen our impact on the environment by becoming more efficient and reducing our reliance on wasteful practices.
Animal farming is not the most efficient use of our resources.
Basically, food chains get narrower toward the top. That is to say, the higher up the food chain you are, the fewer in numbers you must be. By placing an extra level in their food chain, humans create unnecessary waste and severely limit their potential in terms of productivity and, ergo, prosperity.
Industrial farming methods only aggravate this by placing even greater and more unnatural strains on the ecosystem through artificially increasing the livestock population beyond the capacity of the farmland they are kept on.
No species can be as populous and prosperous as we are trying to be and maintain a carnivorous diet. It doesn't work and it doesn't make sense.
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Here're figures detailing the area of land required to support various western diets -
High Meat Diet - 85,000 square feet per person per year.
Average non-Vegan Diet - 42,000 square feet per person per year.
Average Vegan Diet - 10,000 square feet per person per year.
And lastly, Bio Intensive Agriculture (being well managed, sustainable vegan farming) - 4,000 square feet per person per year.
As of 1998 many countries only had enough water to irrigate 4,000 square feet per person per year.
(Figures taken from John Jeavons address at the 1998 Seed Savers Exchange general meeting.)
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According to a UN funded paper, livestock is one of the most polluting industries on the planet.
This from wikipedia's page on livestock. (As cited in the the paper "Livestock's Long Shadow".) [link]
"According to the United Nations, the livestock sector (primarily cows, chickens, and pigs) emerges as one of the top two or three most significant contributors to our most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. It is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gases - responsible for 18% of the worldβs greenhouse gas emissions as measured in CO2 equivalents. By comparison, all transportation emits 13.5% of the CO2."
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'A report in the New Scientist on 17th December has confirmed what groups like Viva! have been saying for many years, that meat and dairy production causes environmental degradation on a huge scale. The report quotes a US study that concludes switching to a vegan diet is the best way to reduce greenhouse emissions.
The study, conducted by the University of Chicago, compared the amount of fossil fuel needed to cultivate and process various foods, including running agricultural machinery, providing food for livestock and irrigating crops. They also factored in emissions of methane and nitrous oxide produced by cows, sheep and manure treatment.
They found that the typical US diet, about 28 per cent of which comes from animal sources, generates the equivalent of nearly 1.5 tonnes more carbon dioxide per person than a vegan diet with the same number of calories. By comparison, the saving in annual emissions from driving a hybrid car instead of a typical saloon car is just over 1 tonne.'
"For too long environmental groups have ignored the damaging effects of animal agriculture, focusing instead on cars, food miles and factories", says Viva!'s Toni Vernelli.'
From Ethical Consumer magazine.
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We can live and be healthy on a vegan diet, (I myself am a second generation life-long vegan who, at 22, is perfectly healthy in mind and body.) and a vegan diet puts less strain on the environment. It's a simple, logical choice to make.
The above post details my scientific, environmental reasons for being a vegan. I have moral and spiritual reasons which I feel are just as compelling.
Your post was full of dogma about the circle of life etc, and I get that, really, I do. I understand how you can think that way. But open your eyes and look around at the modern world. We're not a hunter-gather race anymore. We're a massive, industrial society and we're pushing the limits of what is possible. We have to find new, more efficient ways to operate and to survive or else we're going to have a very hard time in the future.
I'm not trying to force anything onto you, and I agree that PRTA suck. I'm just trying to make people understand that animal farming is not a practical method of farming for an industrialised civilisation to use.
If the ethics of veganism and the morals are lost on you, please consider the science and the environmental reasoning behind it.
It was Albert Einsten who said "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet."
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Well, you can be a vegan if you want to. As for me... I love my chicken, pork, and fish too much. My body can't digest plant proteins as easily as most people's can, but it's really easy for me to digest meat. My molars and incisors are also unusually sharp.
I agree that the human population has grown far too much- but if you'll recall history, nature has a way of reducing our numbers... the avian flu, the bubonic plague, AIDS, the tsunami that wiped out half of southeast Asia, etc. I think something big is going to happen soon to reduce the population.
To counter your link, however- [link] -here is one of my own.
Also visit [link] if you hate PeTA as much as I do... you'll hate them even more. Even two people, like us, who have completely differing opinions can agree that PeTA sucks. They're like leeches clinging to the face of planet Earth.
What say we join forces temporarily, and genetically engineer some sort of giant, man-eating plant, and then set it loose in their Norfolk, VA headquarters?
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It's reasonable to take against meat eaters because they kill and abuse animals for no reason... (This is a fact, don't try to deny it. You support killing, raping and torture for your own pleasure. Just because it's not other people you're doing it to doesn't change the words that should be used to describe the actions.)
But there's nothing to take against vegans for apart from the fact that we sometimes take against murderers and abusers and try to get them to stop murdering and abusing.
Don't you see? It's like a bunch of child molesters getting up in arms about being the victims of hatred and making out like normal, non-kiddy fiddling people are equally as bad as they are!
Crazy, psychotic and pretty fucked up, hey?!
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You're not one of those people who says ALL sex is rape, and women have just been brainwashed to think they like it too, are you?
Animals kill other animals. You've just stated that they are also committing murder. Should we start holding trials for them? Will you advocate for a wolf?
I have sharp teeth. I am an animal. For these two facts, I am designed to eat other, smaller animals. I am grateful that others kill them for me, because I am lazy, but if I had to, believe me, I would. Choice of eating or starving? I'd pick eating. Meat is dense, and allows me to get the necessary calories very quickly.
I don't know about Aya, but if you told me I was a murderer, rapist, and torturer, I'd be pretty mad at you, and justifiably so. I would feel libeled or slandered, and take action.
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That's the best thing I've ever seen. -fave-
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Lol,this pic made me laugh.^ ^ Even though I don't agree somewhat I'm not going to be all "OMG SHE HATES VEGANS,I THINK IM GONNA DIE!" No,thats stupid. Everyone is entitled to THIER opinion. And you ARE right,either way SOMETHING dies. Your a great artist! Keep up the good work!
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I don't mind vegans, I just hate having a party and have think up an entirely different menu for them -o-
Like cake with no milk. How is that possible?! XD Soy milk never gives a cake the same taste. I love how you colored her magenta skirt, I wish I had one poofy like that =^o^=
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i totally agree... i have a bunch of vegans friends back home in america... it sucks going out to dinner with them ... im all like "lets go to Steak n Shake!"... and then they give me this look of death.
although i wouldnt recommend eating a vegan... im sure they are flavorless...
but i wouldnt mind just ripping one's head off just for the hell of it... and then rip off a cows head and eat it instead.... mmmm....
and for all you vegans who are viewing this page in disgust... i ate raw bloody horse meat a couple months ago here in tokyo at a steak-house... and it was the best damn thing that i have ever eaten (seriously... it was delicious)... but i didnt feel a bit of remorse for the the horse... haha.. remorse and horse rythme... isnt that great? ....................I ATE A HORSE!!!! WHEEEEE!!!!
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Yeaaaah! (That was a rally call)
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Lol Now that's damn funny even i tried to be vegan for a short period!
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You're jsut jealous you arent a flesh eating zombie.
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ha ha, ju should se my tatoos! I am sewn togheter so I gues that adds some to my zombie-ness! ha ha
and I must say that I love Zombies. I just dont like blunt argumentations for the life of cute animals over lesser cute animals (i e fascism).
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Me either. Birds may look alen but they dont have the right to be plough killed. Not if you are going to deny eating a cow.
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I think it is horrible that birds die because of plows. but if you think it is so horrible how come you eat animals? I mean, why is it ok to kill cows, not birds??
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Because there is a food chain, I am using cows for sustenance to keep me going. Killing birds and leaving thier carcasses it far more uneeded.
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but you could sustein without eating cows, you could eat vegetables. and if you feel that you do not want to participate in the killing of birds you could either work as a birdsaver or just grow your own food and make sure that no birds ar being slayn. I just think your argumentation is dumb. I mean, you eat vegetables, fish and red meat. gues how many birds are being killed because of that!! the cows need food to become big steaks and burgers. and cows don't eat just eachother, they eat vegetables and grass. killing millions of birds too.
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No matter what you are killing something when you eat.If you eat any kind of plant its a step to killing the ozone layer. The food they couldve used to eat is now gone so they will die off too. There is no possible way not to kill somehting when you eat, and killling a cow is no different than killing an ant or a spider or something.
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eating a plant equals killing the ozone layer?? common, are you for real?!!! you are just crazy.
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