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Published: 2007-09-12 15:12:20 +0000 UTC; Views: 52504; Favourites: 1902; Downloads: 1233
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I hate when people (or bodies of people IE governments etc) do things in Gods (or Allah or whatever you want to call him/her/it/them) name! Most of us have sort of forgotten whats going on over there in Iraq. That doesn't mean its not happening anymore. We've just started to get used to the thought. Whether we like it or not.Anyway, back to the topic:
I get frustrated when people (or governments) say they follow god and then do something like.... Invade a country?? This piece is dedicated to using God as an excuse for evil.
Just sick of people going out and doing things in Gods name....
And now i'm very sleepy!
*goes to sleep*
DD! WOW! THANKYOU SO MUCH!
Go check these peeps out!
THANKYOU!
I will try and reply to all your comments and such but it might take a little while...
P.S. It seems that some people are wondering how religion comes into play here. One of my main points in this argument is the official US motto. 'In God We Trust'. ( See here: [link] )
I do not believe that you can say such a thing, such a bold statement, without at least IMPLYING that everything you do is of god.
Once you begin to portray your allegiance (If you will) In such a way, you can no longer really separate the two anymore (State and religion).
But thats my belief anyway...
EDIT: Uploaded separate print version because I had to screw with the image to get it a little larger for print. See:
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I believe I commented a loong time ago with my =silber-englein account, but I must say I really love your creative yet simplistic approach. It's really clever and well done. Congrats on the DD!
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It does ring a bell! Thankyou then and thankyou now!
Im glad you like it.
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straightforward piece. love the literal representation of people as blockheads.
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LOL. Yeah, I like to keep things simple. At the same time I didnt want to be specific. It was meant to make you think and not point fingers. Meh.
Thankyou!
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Hum...
I mean I totally approve, but I think this should be marked as having Ideologically shocking content...
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LOL. Hmmmm... I'll talk to the gallery manager about that one. You may have a point!
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"For God so loved the world, that he gave it religion; that whomsoever does not believe, is slaughtered by those who do."
- History, summed up in a nutshell.
This is a brilliant piece.
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HAHAHA. I havent heard that before!
Thanks!
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but what about people who do consider good an additional reason to do Good things? *like help those were affected by war*
is that bad too?
maybe it's a grey area/neutral. someone use it as excuse for bad things, while some people think of it as another reason to do good things.
(if i get a response, wether it is as an answer or comment, can it be done politely without trying to force either point as right or wrong? thank you*
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lol. I believe everyone has a right to their opinion, so I wont do that to you.
Although Im a little unsure as to what you're trying to say... COuld you elaborate a little more? I'd like to hear what you have to say.
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Thank you very much for your understanding, respect and acceptance
it does mean a lot, so thank you.
well, I was trying to say that, while it sadness me that some people of faith go to that horrible extremes, there are still people of faith who are good people and do good things for the rest of the world, and they have their faith.
*even sometimes these good people go against those peopleoffaith who do bad things, to help others*
they are both out there, and I sort of felt that when things like wars, or tragedies, the good people get shoved into the same category as the bad people, just because they are religious or faithful.
I'm well aware that was not your view, or intention; *the way you replied to my comment proves that, at least that's the impression I got*
but it makes me sad, because I know there Are other people Who do see all religious people as bad and *insert other usual derogatory term people use against religious people*
and throw it out there in the open *again, i know that's not you, i feel it would probably will appear in your comments though*
and well... the conflict between sides upset me, because, aren't we all humans also?
hope that clarifies it a bit. *and hopefully no one jumps down my throat for it*
thank you.
again, regardless of that, I do want to say congratulations on getting A DD. in technical terms, it is well crafted.
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I agree and I know that there are some amazing religious people out there. There really are. And I also know that people jump to conclusions about a lot of these people BECAUSE they are religious.
What I try to do, Is open people's eyes. Get the to think. To use their heads and see, that we are all human (Like you said) And we all deserve respect.
I will say, that it is easier to prosecute a group than it is individuals of that group. Because then we dont have to think. We dont have to say WHY those people in those groups are bad and not everyone else. Its easier. And often our anger takes the easy path. Anger doesnt abide by logic. And often because of this, neither do people.
I see people go off at preachers on the street. And I wonder, Do they know this person? Has this person done anything to them? No. They are often angry with religion and/or god. And let out their anger at the nearest person of that group. Its just easier.
I know this is slightly of topic but I felt I should say it.
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I concur.
I was part of a Christian church group that I do believe was from God.
But ten years into this group I was manipulated and lead to believe things that in my heart just was not right.
As well as much of my free-will was stifled by individuals in this church. I made the mistake of letting them dictate who I am without my free will in place. I fought with alot of people to the point that I felt ice out of the fellowship. (It got clique-ish)
It's not that way now. (Yet there are still clique-ish in some fellowships. But I have to relearn to think for myself and now let people so dominant my choices in this life. It was the worst kind of peer pressure you can have.
Any way great art piece.
Peace.
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My mother and father having been in a similar group in the UK, I feel for you.
It is hard to relearn to think for yourself. but in the end, you'll manage and be a freeer and better person. I believe.
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you don't show direction in this piece. no faces, you don't know which way they are going or coming from. that is what I like about this. gives room for different interpretations.
So I offer a different view: Those who have lived through the bloody battles may eventually find what they are fighting for goes against their religion, and become more peaceful.
Sometimes, what is truly right and what is truly wrong, well... lines become blurred. Watch the boondock saints, good movie
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Wow! I like that! Great way to turn this! Thanks for that!
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well, a picture is worth a thousand words, not all of those words have to agree with each other and look at it the same way, right?
and you are most definitely welcome
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I agree with your basic message but I would prefer it conveyed a different way. You can hardly blame people's distortions and perversions of religion as justification for evil deeds on religion itself. However, the Church seems the active one, the one at fault in this piece. If you instead depicted leaders using religion, something previously pure that has been twisted into their own evil tool, I think the message would be much more strongly and accurately communicated.
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I agree. But there are too many of these leaders in this world. Not just religious ones. Political ones etc.
I think its better to generalize and be understood than than be precise and have people miss the point.
If that makes any sense...
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Wish it was a different symbol. I guess christians do it too, but it feels like you're ignoring muslims, etc.
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As I said In my comment, its not aimed at any particular religion. However i used the cross because thats the symbol most people see as religion etc. Does that make sense?
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Artistically, yes. Spiritually, I still don't like the cross.
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Is that because it relates to you? You feel as though its an attack on you?
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No; I feel it is a gross misrepresentation. It does relate to me, but it's not an attack. It just feels completely false to me; I wouldn't do something like that. Tanks don't go rolling out of my church. And I know that in muslim countries, war is practically written in to their religion.
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We had wars in ours too though. We had our crusades. Now they are having theirs.
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They've been having "theirs" for quite some time. They were part of the reason for the crusades.
So. I just think that other religions could've been included somehow.
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We had ours for quite a while too. There are plenty of deviations already depicting other religions. but the point here is that we need to look at ourselves here too.
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"Now they are having theirs." From your last comment. I was just correcting that by saying they've been having theirs for awhile. I didn't imply that we haven't.
Now that you've addressed the actual artistic reasons, I understand and agree. Examining ourselves is an excellent point.
Are we done now?
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Reading descriptions help.
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I think you managed to get your message across quite strongly in this image, it's something that I myself was ranting about just the other day. Well done!
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As clever as your art may be, and it is...the implication of Christian Church churning out a mechanized war machine is both ignorant of reality and shows the immaturity of your world view. Your example of the war in Iraq makes no connection to your art. The US decided to execute a war strategy against terrorists. Whether you agree or not that Iraq is the central front for our war against Islamic Terrorism is not the issue. There was NO theocratic impitus by a Christian God or ANY god as a war strategy in Iraq. If you had rendered a mosque with Islamic figures entering in one side and 9-11 on the otherside I would applaud you for showing TRUTH in art. What you have demonstrated is the politically correct mindset of people Lenin termed "useful idiots." Christianity is an easy target for cowards. Theo Van Gogh may be someone you may want to learn something about.
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I disagree.
As I have stated before, the US government has linked itself to god. (See: [link] ) And in my mind, any of their actions is now linked to god. That is the essense of Christianity. God must be in everything you do.
And besides, there have been enough of these attacks on Muslims. Its time we looked at our own fronts and stopped blaming everyone else for our troubles and problems.
Something my father used to say to me which may apply:
'Dont go pulling the splinter out of someone else's eyes, When you have a log in yours' (This wasnt aimed at you)
P.S. Please dont see this as an attack on you. I simply disagree.
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I don't take this as a personal attack, and likewise neither should you. However, your attempt at connecting "In God We Trust" to the Iraq war is beyond silly. It just sounds stupid. It would be much more intelligent a statement if you applied the solemn oath of duty the American President takes...being the Commander and Chief his FIRST DUTY is "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." PROTECT AND DEFEND might mean waging WAR. See any mention of a Christian God ordering anything? The equivocation philosophies that abound among appeasers try to make the innocent somehow guilty. Much like the self hating politically correct liberals who try to minimize the attrocities committed by radical Islam, and through convoluted logic ask the victims what they may have done to deserve the crimes committed upon them. Are you stating that we (Americans or Westeners) are somehow responsible for radical Islam?
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