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Published: 2007-09-12 15:12:20 +0000 UTC; Views: 52509; Favourites: 1902; Downloads: 1233
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I hate when people (or bodies of people IE governments etc) do things in Gods (or Allah or whatever you want to call him/her/it/them) name! Most of us have sort of forgotten whats going on over there in Iraq. That doesn't mean its not happening anymore. We've just started to get used to the thought. Whether we like it or not.Anyway, back to the topic:
I get frustrated when people (or governments) say they follow god and then do something like.... Invade a country?? This piece is dedicated to using God as an excuse for evil.
Just sick of people going out and doing things in Gods name....
And now i'm very sleepy!
*goes to sleep*
DD! WOW! THANKYOU SO MUCH!
Go check these peeps out!
THANKYOU!
I will try and reply to all your comments and such but it might take a little while...
P.S. It seems that some people are wondering how religion comes into play here. One of my main points in this argument is the official US motto. 'In God We Trust'. ( See here: [link] )
I do not believe that you can say such a thing, such a bold statement, without at least IMPLYING that everything you do is of god.
Once you begin to portray your allegiance (If you will) In such a way, you can no longer really separate the two anymore (State and religion).
But thats my belief anyway...
EDIT: Uploaded separate print version because I had to screw with the image to get it a little larger for print. See:
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You had balls to put this up on DA, I'll say that. The image in and of itself it neat faultless. The composition, balance, and sharpness are nice. I might like to see the shadows just a little darker as you have some brilliant highlights but no real black, but that's minor.
As for the concept, it is neat, but I think your execution of it could have been a lot more subtle. The image doesn't leave much to the imagination- in fact it leaves nothing to it. It's like your idea has been projected directly onto the piece. That may have been what you wanted, I don't know, but the combination of the image which is near about perfect already and the concept which is very in-your-face make the overall piece a lot less interesting than it could be.
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Could you give me an example of what you mean? I know what you're trying to say but I think I need to see an example to really understand where you're coming from.
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An example of something being too obvious? I can't think of any famous artworks like that because they don't usually get that famous. I suppose an imaginary example would be, say, a picture of smoke coming out of a smokestack with the title "pollution is bad"
It's an obvious concept, and an obvious execution with nothing at all left to the imagination because there is no mystery involved.
I mean like, if you had have angled the guns on the tanks sideways, we wouldn't be able to tell if it was a church making people into warmongers or vice versa. Obviously you wanted to make it very clear which you thought it was but it would have been better (more interesting) to let the viewer have that conflict for themselves. Perhaps the thought processes involved in figuring it out would have sparked more ideas to them, and then of course they would have been curious about which way you saw it.
One of the main things I learned in art school was that once you've made a piece and put it out there, the concepts and all your ideas about what it means don't matter anymore. I have made paintings that mean something specific or vague to me, but the viewers saw them completely differently, and that's fine, there should be that freedom in art. It doesn't matter if 100% or 30% of people see the work the same way you do, what matters is that they see it and are interested enough to have their own thought processes about it.
We were by the artist Jeff Gauntt one semester, and I liked his motto the best- "make it weirder." put more twists in it, anything to catch the attention of people.
Like I said before, the image in and of itself is flawless, you have a lot of talent there, but it was hard to look at it and remain interested for more than a few seconds.
Hopefully this makes a bit more sense?
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Yes definitely. Thankyou for taking the time to answer. It makes sense now.
I guess I didnt really want people to linger on the image itself too long. More the idea?
But what you said does make sense.
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I understand what you mean, but if the work is more about the idea then it may as well be an essay instead of an image, hehe.
Glad it makes a bit of sense though.
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A picture is worth a thousand words? And besides, people dont read essays, they burn them LOL.
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Lol. You know what I mean. If its an essay people wont read it. If its a picture people will look. Because its easy.
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so absolutely true..nice picture!
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i like the idea of the sad/dissapointed God, it's not the first time i hear it, i really don't think God (if there's any), would be very happy about ppl using Him as an excuse.
Great color!
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Colour? lol. What colour? Hehehe
Thanks!
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exactly my point XD
u're welcome
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wow.
Just yesterday I was watching a documentary about this exact issue. It's called "Jesus Camp", you might know it. Even though it was focused on the preparation and education evangelic children receive but they stress a lot this hypotetical war this generation is going to fight against government and non-believers. It's not like invading other countries but it's really an interesting documentary nonetheless.
your deviation by the way is a really interesting way to depict such a complex concept. I really like it.
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Thankyou very much! And it sounds like an interesting documentary! I shall see if I can find it!
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it received several indipendent award and nominated to academy award, it should not be too difficult to be found... it's this one by the way: [link]
and you're welcome!
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I agree completely
you did a beautiful job representing it C:
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I agree with you! No one could even tell who god (allah who/whatsoever) is. And i think that the humans are just to overwhelmed by themselfs that they can't just simply say they don't know whats further behind things they don't understand. So they use good as explaination for everything they don't know.
Great piece you have created to this issue - simple but well to understand!
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Thankyou! Im glad you agree.
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If the criticism was open to all religions then you should have made a hybrid place of worship with the cross, minarets and any other distinctive signs to encompass all aspects of monotheistic religion.
It's a nice concept but since to me unbalanced and incomplete due to the lack of impartiality (as I said it should have targeted all religions that claim their god is the only one in the same image)
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I agree, however, to really pull this off, you have to hurt something.
And to be honest, if they were all depicted together, people would be more outraged that they were depicted alongside the other religions rather than what the image is actually about...
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Woow interesting work,, I like ,, it' real scene
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I agree. Nice way of describing your point.
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I think the fact that they don't have faces adds to it somehow...but i can't describe it outside of my own head. Excellent work though! A very true concept!
An instant favorite!
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Mmmm. I know what you mean. But like you said, its difficult to explain.
Thankyou for your support!
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I totally agree!
Great concept and well executed, nothing more i can say really
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It's completely immoral for people to use religion for their diabolical agenda, and yet human beings have been doing it for centuries. No one has made such a big fuss over this fact (mostly because the people are fed lies from the media or it's never told with a truthful light), until now. I think that your art speaks the truth no one wants to hear, but need to; not only could one interpret that people use the church for evil, but also the church uses the people for evil as well. This is an instant fav in my books because it teaches people with a distinct message.
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Thankyou! Though I must say my main objective was to get people to think. And to do that It had to be 'in-your-face'.
I've had a number of complaints about this and saying that its not true. But i think we all need to take a step back and look to our own borders. because thats where the seeds of corruption are really beginning to grow.
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Exactly! And you are most welcome!
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would have been better if you had worked an oil well into it some how
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maybe the Shadow of the cross can be shaped like a oil well
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Nice try, but the War on Terror isn't about us taking Iraq's oil. Sure, we have a vested interest in it, but it's not a greedy, thieving interest as many portray it to be. If we wanted to take the oil, we would have simply done so instead of helping the Iraqis build the infrastructure so that they can use it for themselves to build a solid economy, giving stability to the region.
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wrong we want their oil and this way we insure that we get it while keeping the mask of altruism firmly in place. this way we get what we went in to protect while still seeming Boy scout Savior of the world. that is the political reasoning behind it. I do not disagree that many of the people fighting the war over there do hold to the belief that they are helping the Iraqi people or they would not be willing everyday to wager what they wager to fight. But the companies and the private businesses are laboring over in Iraq not because of some kind of hero complex if they were they could be doing the same work in much more needy yet much less lucrative countries. there are many reasons we went into Iraq and one of those is because they as a resource could afford our "help"
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I'm not saying we're doing it for charity or because we're heroes... we're doing it to make the world a safer place for ourselves. Many of the "more needy" countries, such as those in Africa, simply don't pose as much of a threat to us at this time.
We don't just want their oil. We need it. America doesn't really run on Dunkin'. But we haven't and aren't going to take it unfairly.
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