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Published: 2018-08-28 22:21:52 +0000 UTC; Views: 2016; Favourites: 21; Downloads: 1
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I know that I am late to talk about this, but getting rid of Confederate statues is anti-American. Why? Because it's denying history. If you guys go around saying "The civil war didn't happened" or "The civil war is irrelevant for us today," I'm going to punch you."Civil war not relevant." In what way is the Civil War not relevant? Huh? Cause that's what you people are saying. Now before you guys call me a bigot racist [which is already too late] let me tell you that I don't support slavery or the KKK or any supremist groups.
What I am for is History. And I stand by what I said that Abraham Lincoln would be ashamed of us all. Because Abraham Lincoln had respect for Robert E. Lee. In fact I bet all of of you don't know this, but after South Carolina seceded from the Union, Abraham Lincoln wanted Robert E. Lee to lead the Union Army.
Robert E. Lee respectedly refused because he stated that Virginia was his state and he would fight for her. So naturally, when Virginia seceded, Robert E. Lee fought for the South.
I have nothing but respect for Robert E. Lee, as the more I have read on the Civil War, the more that I have understood America as a whole.
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I will be honest... I don't know whether we should remove statues like General R Lee. He is a local folk hero to the town that statue is in, but in the big picture, and I am a history buff, graduating and preparing for my master's in History; General Robert E Lee, is a traitor to the United States of America. Robert E Lee swore an oath to the US Constitution, yet he chose an unconstitutional secession that was motivated by the significance of slavery. Yes, Abraham Lincoln wanted Robert Lee to take command, and Robert E Lee chose his state over the Constitution and nation.
Even in a military perspective, Robert E Lee was an amazing tactician general, but he didn't have big picture strategic leadership for the war, and his victories and popularity was due to the fact he was facing extremely incompetent Union generals at first, until Ulysses S Grant came in from his success in the Western Theatre and took the fight against Robert Lee.
I am all for History, but like I said, Robert E Lee is a traitor. And for me it has nothing to do with slavery/racism. It has to do with loyalty and fidelity to the republic of the United States. The people of the town want to keep the statue, that is up to them. If not, then best they can do is place it in a museum for preservation of history.
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>Robert E. Lee was a true American Hero
>literally fought against the United states
Cognitive dissidence
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"editing" the bits of history people don't like - sounds like 1984 where the history records gets changed by the party and the old records get chucked down the "memory hole"* to be incinerated.
Lee may have fought for a regime run by slave owners for the benefit of slave owners but he saw himself as defending his home state Virginia.
Once the fighting was done he deemed secession as a question to have been settled and interestingly didn't support the idea of having any monuments erected to his memory, he was actually quite a humble fellow.
Also many of these monuments weren't erected soon after the war but from a much later period when Reconstruction had successfully been thrown out the window and Jim Crow laws had been put on the statute books in many States. So they could be seen not as commemoration of War dead but as political propaganda for "the old cause".
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They should just leave them be and give them full details of who they were.
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Okay. A couple quotes, first off:
"As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated, my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt ... would have the effect of ... continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."
"I think it wiser not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife, to commit to oblivion the feelings engendered"
-Robert E. Lee himself. Because he was opposed to the idea of erecting civil war monuments.
Here's the thing:
1) The statues were not erected shortly after the civil war. They were erected during the fifties/sixties, right at the backdrop of jim crow, to intimidate black people. These are not age-old monuments celebrating history, they're white power propaganda.
2) What you're celebrating with these monuments is not history, but treason. The people they depict were traitors who illegally seceded, so they could keep slavery alive.
3) History is not destroyed by removing monuments, even if points one and two were not true. History books and documentation would still exist. The "destroying history" argument has zero basis whatsoever.
This is not anti-american. It's anti-treason, if anything.
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Taking his statues down ticks me off more than the other Confederates, because Lee is anti-slavery and it's only now I realize that he's a bit like how Batman views Gotham City (Now that you mention it), he cares about Virginia warts and all (I wouldn't move to either city, Gotham is Gotham and 19th century Virginia is dangerous to my wellbeing.)
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Removing his statue was wrong on so many levels.
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I agree, which is why I posted this.
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Just read Kkkkessy's comment. She would have failed my US History Class.
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Robert E. Lee was a Good Man. He loved his country, Virginia, That was how people saw the United States, as many countries together, not a single monolithic entity.
Unlike, General Grant, Lee owned no slaves, he hated slavery...
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It's sad that people aren't reading history books.
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Because people dont want to learn historie, because they want to re write it
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I'm not a history buff. And it's embarrassing of how little I know about history.
But I'm smart enough to know that destroying statutes, destroys information and we don't learn anything.
Your art gallery is amazing.
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You at least have common sense. More so than other people. And the thing is that while, I know more than others on history, I sadly don't know all.
Thank you.
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Taking down these statues is a waste of time. They're nothing more than game pieces used to keep the people at each other's throats; white against black, northerner against southerner, etc. They were not an issue when they went up, they weren't an issue when the civil right movement happened, and they haven't been an issue until some people wanted it to be an issue.
And lets be real for a moment, what's really going to happen if Confederate statues aren't taken down? With the way some people appear to be so desperate about them being toppled, they act as if there is a time limit to take them down.
I know some people reading this are going to say something along the lines of "Lee fought for an evil cause" or "it's a symbol of treason!" Well, I don't see any of you throwing a tantrum over the statue of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle, Washington, a man who had so many Russians murdered during the foundation of the Soviet Union. Isn't that evil? Not to mention that while you call the Confederate monuments and the Confederate flag treason; isn't it treasonous to burn the American flag? You flap it around when it comes to the Confederate flag while shouting "This is your flag!" and then you burn the flag later while flying the flag of the Soviet Union or Mexico when Trump comes to town.
All in all, there FAR more important matters to attend to here in the United States like poverty, homelessness, etc. Essentially, stuff that's more important than a bunch of pieces of stone and metal.
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You saidit i mean come on they erect a statue of Marx aman that create the worst idea in the worldcomunism tht has kill more than one hundred million inocents and the erect one i think in germany, to be honest people dont read historie
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I bet if they tried to erect a statue of Claus Von Staffenburg, the man who tried to assassinate Adolf Hitler, they'd still freak out because he "fought on the wrong side."
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Indeed, i woundtdiscard it i mean come on the man realize whatwill happen and actualy trie to stop the war, also people forget that many of the soldiers in the german army fougth because were told, not because they were nazis, andtrue that germans due terrible crimes in the soviet union but they do it because sometimes poeple forget that war warps your mind you are consume by hate.
But well it is something i learn people can barly remember what they do last week less what happens nearly a hundred yearsago
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The same can be said about Confederate soldiers when you think about it, as well as Union.
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Indeed, i mean come on, people today want to put today values and today morals into what happen hundreds of years ago, something you learn about historie is that the past is the past, themind of the poepl was diferent, the same with morals and values
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Yes you know the funny thing they are but i prefer to discuss thistopic here in deviant art, an art pagethan any other web place, because well as what it is mention people get offended even person that supposly is agree with freedom of speech i dontknow whats going on buti lear, that live and let live is on of the best things to do
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In other words, stay out of Tumblr with this topic.
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Personaly i only have an acount in youtube, deviant art and hotmail, notintrested in tumbleror twitter, and here in deviant art i havemy own prefrences and mi own lets saidfetiches.
Like i sad i am a man with mistakes and virtues not perfect by any strech of imagination i even start watching this because one appear and like it
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Huh, never got a comment like this before.
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Really? Do you hate it? Or is it just that nobody gave you one. I myself got a couple from people over the years.
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It isn't often someone replies to me with a gif, let alone an applause gif.
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Yeah, I can see why leftists wouldn't want a man who sought reconciliation between two sides in a time of strife to be represented...
Though, in some cases, I DO support moving statues to places like museums or something. Since we're not destroying them, but moving them to a place of historic significance.
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If people are still going to view them then what's the point in moving them?
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Simple: if you're not comfortable with a Confederate statue being in the public eye, move it to a place where there's an easy justification ("It's a museum, this is something historical, we're allowed to have it").
Note: I'm only saying that this is the best alternative. I'd PREFER statues like that being in public.
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Well I'm not comfortable with a statue of Lenin on American soil, should we move that to a museum as well?
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