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Description Finally! I was working on this picture since November, and now I had enough time to finish it. The most difficult part was for the to find out the background. And I'm still bad at lineart.

So, this scene is taken from William Golding's Lord of the Flies, end of Chapter 11:

"The chief snatched one of the few spears that were left and poked Sam in the ribs.
'What d’you mean by it, eh?' said the chief fiercely. 'What d’you mean by coming with spears? What d’you mean by not joining my tribe?'
The prodding became rhythmic. Sam yelled.
'That's not the way.'
Roger edged past the chief, only just avoiding pushing him with his shoulder. The yelling ceased, and Samneric lay looking up in quiet horror. Roger advanced upon them as one wielding a nameless authority."

I've read the book many times but first time in English. This made the scene mentioned above clear, what happened exactly... This is my imagination about this scene. Samneric are frightened in the background. Jack's eyes are closed because of his rage or hate or something similar feeling. He closes his eyes because he knows what will happen next but don't want to watch. Roger looks back a bit, and he's not smiling but he's fierce. Jack has a spear but Roger hasn't, he will use his bare hands. Or maybe he has a spear in his right hand, I don't know. When I read this part in the book, I imagined some "bullet-time effect"... this sounds a bit weird, I know.

Edit: According to ~unicornomics 's comment, I revised the picture and changed a bit. Also changed the title, because I've borrowed a book from the library: Brodie's Notes on Lord of the Flies (by Graham Hadley, 1965), and it claims that this certain sentence is said by Roger, but it was not sure for me. (I always thought that it's said by Sam or Eric.) I think it's a better caption for this picture (the original title was rather a working title.)

Sketch: [link]
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Lodgement [2013-03-09 11:25:30 +0000 UTC]

This is excellent! I love this! And I love this scene too :3

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bejKutyej In reply to Lodgement [2013-03-10 14:44:01 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! This scene is kinda cruel but the writing style is beautiful.

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Lodgement In reply to bejKutyej [2013-03-10 20:50:09 +0000 UTC]

I agree! ^_^

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Mara517 [2013-01-06 09:54:39 +0000 UTC]

Great scene! I have never paid attention to the character of Roger, I had no idea that he had the courage to oppose Jack. x-x" you made me want to read that book again. by the way, I love the background!

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bejKutyej In reply to Mara517 [2013-01-06 11:28:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! I'm happy that you liked the vakcground, it was difficult to make. I've read the book many times but just last time realized that he appears in more scenes than I remembered. However, I liked him for first read, I don't know why, but maybe for his name. (And I like negative characters in books, because I believe that they also have a soul!)
As I wrote (or maybe not...) in the description, this scene came clear finally in English, because reading a foreign language is more challenging than my own, and I pay more attention to the text.
Go, go read the book again!

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Mara517 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-09 19:07:35 +0000 UTC]

ah, who doesn't like negative characters Personally I like Jack a lot And how about you? Do you like him?
While reading the book again I will try to pay more attention to Roger I also tried to read LotF in English, the descriptions are just amazing

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bejKutyej In reply to Mara517 [2013-01-10 21:31:58 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, without negative characters life would be boring, isn't it? Yes, I like Jack, his character was very well written and in the 1963 film excellently portrayed. And I liked the descriptions in the book, like his opaque eyes, or madness in his eyes. And he's red-haired and freckled. I just like people or characters with appearance like his...
And as I told you I liked Roger from the beginning but I hoped secretly that he'd be a rather positive figure. And then came that infamous boulder incident with Piggy, and I was like, NOooooo...! But I still like him.

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Mara517 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-13 12:28:56 +0000 UTC]

Of course it would!
Yeah, Jack is well constructed. I believe all characters in this novel are and this is in my opinion it's greatest advantage. ^^
The descriptions are awesome at first I hated them, but when I finished the book I returned to them and they are oh! so colorful, and all these darker, wild places just make the story scarier.

I understand, it must have been really disappointing. I hoped that Jack would apologize to Ralph, but oh well... Luckily there is the fandom!
By the way, Roger looks really good on your picture!

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bejKutyej In reply to Mara517 [2013-01-15 18:14:59 +0000 UTC]

Yes, the descriptions are very good. At (primary) school I didn't like the descriptions in general very well, not reading or writing, but I've changed and I like the descriptions a bit more than dialogues.

The fandom solves everything... and it's so good that it exists! I never thought before that there's a fandom of LOTF...

Thanks!

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MaryKosmosVer2 [2013-01-05 16:05:56 +0000 UTC]

Sam and Eric were supposed to be tied up in this scene, as stated in the actual book. Nevertheless, it looks great! ^^

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bejKutyej In reply to MaryKosmosVer2 [2013-01-05 16:19:26 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it and thanks for the notice as well. Tied up... well, maybe I missed that part, I remembered as they were just seized.

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MaryKosmosVer2 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-05 16:55:11 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome... ^^

Sam and Eric were on the ground because the "savages" grabbed them, knocked them down, and tied them up. Jack said that himself: "Go on. Tie them up."

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bejKutyej In reply to MaryKosmosVer2 [2013-01-05 23:28:35 +0000 UTC]

I see, checked the book and you're right.

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MaryKosmosVer2 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-06 00:13:37 +0000 UTC]

Also, you got Roger's skin color right. Many keep depicting him with light skin when the book itself clearly describes him as "the dark boy", suggesting that Roger is a dark-skinned boy. And that's what I did with my interpretation of Roger as well...

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bejKutyej In reply to MaryKosmosVer2 [2013-01-06 11:17:03 +0000 UTC]

Thanks. I tried to draw a canonical Roger, except the body paint... that supposed to be maybe white or black, but I decided to paint it red as blood. It fits to this character for me. I think the light-skinned Roger may be based on the movies, or just more demonic.
I've seen your set of characters, they look great!

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MaryKosmosVer2 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-06 16:19:28 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. Though the sight of light-skinned Roger interpretations make me wonder. Do people think all British are light-skinned? Obviously not true. Simon's sort of tannish, as described in the book and in several other interpretations...

Thanks. I tried my best to match the actual book as well, along with a few extra touches I added myself... ^^

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bejKutyej In reply to MaryKosmosVer2 [2013-01-10 14:01:18 +0000 UTC]

My "extra" thing I added to Roger is the remain of the choir uniform, a cloak. Because I felt it fitting to him. (And it's totally unrelated to LOTF but funny, that last week I watched the Dictator - Sacha Baron Cohen's latest film and there's also a conversation about cloaks.)

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MaryKosmosVer2 In reply to bejKutyej [2013-01-10 15:43:38 +0000 UTC]

Roger was a choirboy after all...

What I meant by extra touches is that if you look closely at my interpretations, you'll see that I added accessories or something never mentioned in the book on some of the characters (e.g. a hoop earring on Ralph's right ear, a rosary around Simon's neck, slits in Roger's eyes, and long eyelashes on Jack)...

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Diamond--InTheRough [2012-12-17 21:11:30 +0000 UTC]

I absolutely LOVE Samneric n the background! Wonderful expressions!

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bejKutyej In reply to Diamond--InTheRough [2012-12-20 14:46:11 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it!

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seerstella [2012-12-17 13:29:58 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Just wow.
I hate this part, actually. But you make it beautiful!

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-20 14:45:21 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!
Yes, this part of the book is cruel in content but beautifully written, if I can say that (don't think I'm a sadist!). I decided to draw this because I've read the English book. In Hungarian I've read it several times but maybe I've just read through this part. But in English suddenly came clear the situation... poor Samneric... What the hell has Roger done to them?!

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-21 01:29:58 +0000 UTC]

Roger tortured them, if I'm right. But Roger tortured everyone, so it's no wonder.
In Castle Rock (that chapter) my favourite is actually the part when Golding described Piggy's death. It's sickening, brutal, but beautiful at the same time. I'm such a Roger.

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-21 20:33:14 +0000 UTC]

Yes, he did it. Maybe I just "skipped" it during reading, like "okay, twins are captured, Jack is mad..." and so on... but in English I read more carefully. And I'll change the title of this picture, because I found a book in the library yesterday, Notes on Lord of the Flies, and I've read there something about this part. A sentence before the citate I've written here is "That's not the way." and this book claims that this sentence is said by Roger, because he thought that the torturing by Jack is not proper. Every day I learn something new. For me it was not sure who said this (I thought it was Sam, protesting.) And I think it's a better caption.
Yes, Piggy's death was also beautifully written, and Simon's death, too. The whole book. That's why I can't really hate any of the boys... (especially when Roger bears my favourite English name.)

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-22 12:28:47 +0000 UTC]

I see. Actually in my book (this one: [link] ), it has notes about the story at the end of the book. I should check that out again!

Simon's death is strangely beautiful too. And Chapter 2 is my favourite, when Piggy ranted in front of a burning forest. I podficced it (read it aloud and recorded it by my phone) and that part gave me chills.

Ralph was my favourite name, and Simon too. There was an actor named Roger in here, and he was handsome so I kinda like him.

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-23 21:16:53 +0000 UTC]

I have this book: [link] , it also has notes (by E. L. Epstein) but doesn't tell about this part. The book I mentioned is actually "Brodie's notes on Lord of the Flies" by Graham Handley. Btw in your book what Piggy exactly says in Chapter 11? I mean this: "Which is better - to be a pack of painted Indians like you are, or to be sensible like Ralph is?" Because my book is the American edition, but I borrowed from the library the English original, and it says "niggers" instead of "Indians".

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-24 05:22:22 +0000 UTC]

Yes! Epstein is the one who has the notes written in mine too
Mine is also 'Indians'. I really want to read the English original, does it have many differences from the American one?
The 'Indians' and 'niggers' sound racist, but I don't think we can blame Golding for that. I think his days then was kind of racist.

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-25 00:43:09 +0000 UTC]

I browsed through the book but I didn't find any other differences. Only some spelling things, for example to-morrow instead tomorrow and coco-nut instead coconut, but that's all. (That edition I borrowed now, has 4 photos from the 63 film!) I accept that "nigger" is an insulting word, but has a publisher right to change anything in a book? Maybe, but Indians could be also racist. I heard that there's an edition that uses "savages" instead of these. The Hungarian translation is from the original but here's a word that could be rather "savages".

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-25 04:15:55 +0000 UTC]

was those 4 photos printed in the book or something? I'd love to see pics like that in the book I made a bookmark from Jack and Ralph, both from the 63 and the 90 movie

I do think publishers have the right, because if they publish inappropriate books there will be a hell to pay. Maybe people protested about the 'niggers' thing. That goes to Tintin comics too, if I'm right. Some people protested and then the words are changed. I prefer 'savages' because that won't hurt any race. ^^

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-26 21:12:23 +0000 UTC]

I've scanned these photos, and I can send you by e-mail, if you want. (I didn't find them on internet.) This is the book: [link] There's no note about how many pictures are there, and the copy I borrowed is already rebind. So I'm not sure that any pictures are missing or not... Maybe there's an other copy of this edition, so I'll check it next time.

Bookmark? Cool idea, can I see it, please?

Yes, Tintin was also controversial, but I never read it yet, but would like to once. Yes, "savages" could be the best choice, if it's really necessary to change.

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-27 06:02:57 +0000 UTC]

I want it of course
I see, thanks a lot!

It's here: [link]

Tintin is my childhood and will always be in my life. The best comics I've ever read.
The Soviet (the first comic) has a bit or racism towards Chinese people, but it's the only way Herge (the author) saw Chinese people, until he made Blue Lotus.
I wonder why Golding didn't use 'savages' back then.

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bejKutyej In reply to seerstella [2012-12-27 18:13:02 +0000 UTC]

I've just sent the e-mail!

Oh thanks, that's cool! Jalph bookmark, creative!

I'll read Tintin, because it's released in Hungarian recently. And I saw some copies in the library... so I'm curious!

Hm... maybe this usage of "niggers/Indians" is a kind of critique from Golding. I mean, there's two mention about "we're English, we're best" plus this comparing to non-european people, so maybe it's the critique of the British imperialism.

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seerstella In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-28 01:37:03 +0000 UTC]

YAAY I've seen them!

Thanks! And thanks for the faves too

Yay! Read it, they're amazing

Maybe, I never thought about it. Maybe because I'm not English?

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unicornomics [2012-12-17 01:16:46 +0000 UTC]

I like how you did the expressions (especially the twins) and the art itself is fantastic(love how you included the background) as well as the background info but why doesn't anyone have nipples? Is it a style choice?

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bejKutyej In reply to unicornomics [2012-12-17 10:16:03 +0000 UTC]

Thank you! The background was not easy,because there's many figures on the picture, and before I drew very rarely scenes like this. About nipples... In the lineart I drew them (Jack, Samneric) but they are not really visible, maybe I was lazy or just forget to include on the coloured layer... but thank you for this notice! I'll correct it next time and reload the picture.

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unicornomics In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-17 11:15:28 +0000 UTC]

Welcome,mind looking at my LOTF stuff?

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bejKutyej In reply to unicornomics [2012-12-20 14:15:43 +0000 UTC]

I'll check them!

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unicornomics In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-20 16:40:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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OnceUponANight23 [2012-12-16 23:15:32 +0000 UTC]

this is so good!! I love Samneric!!

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bejKutyej In reply to OnceUponANight23 [2012-12-17 10:20:27 +0000 UTC]

Thanks! I drew Samneric on the train before it went too shaky. (The ankles are still bad but maybe next time...)

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OnceUponANight23 In reply to bejKutyej [2012-12-17 17:39:33 +0000 UTC]

haha you're welcome! it really is amazing though

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