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Published: 2007-10-11 12:39:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 12500; Favourites: 438; Downloads: 75
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ok sorry this is abit different from what im normaly do but i saw a picture and i had to make this. sorry i will get to work on my other stamps but heres one for you to enjoy in the mean time
hope you like it and please leave a comment if you are going to use it i always like to know my work is liked
get out there and get all he hunters you know are drunk as a door knob and push them in their car.....
actualy so some bugger doesnt sue me, dont really do it...er...yeah
This stamp we inspired from a picture on the ALF homepage and that background pic was taken from there to. check it out for more things like this
well anyway hope you like it
Sel
Edit: Due to comments made I decided to clear this issue up. NO! I dont support game and pleasure hunting...killing for the shear pleausure is just fucked up and deserve everything coming to them....but those that hunt purely for food I do infact support as it is moving away from the industralied mass slaughter that occurs.... For you fellow Animal Rights suporters...I'll tell you this before you flame me...if we wish to reach true equality between species then why should we make a difference between species by alowing others to hunt naturaly for their food (like lions etc etc) and then forcing the human species to live on a constricted diet....we should be alowed the freedom to choose as other species have.
...so yes hunt for food and there is no problem but make sure you do it yourself....so then you can really see the effect of ending someones life for your own feeding....
anyway enough of the mini rant
but yeah, problem cleared up eh
Sel
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I'm not... I'm not really saying you do, honestly. I'm just saying what I've always said that all your stamps are negative toward either animals or people who care about them. Even in your faves folder, all you have are anti-animal/anti-animal lover stamps except for a few hyena stamps.
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HUH? The stamps I fav are not anti-animal/anti-animal lover at all. There are some things counter arguments to things people have said regarding wildlife management. The rest are random ones (Iceland, Political one, Wolf documentary, Biology, etc etc). I also have the Pitbull myth stamps fav'd because I completely agree with Kapieren. Which ones do you think are anti-animal? That's an honest question.
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Basically saying a lot of the same things you say in your stamps. While some of them are true (Although I don't agree with speciesism) it's still most of your favorited stamps.
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Instead of linking them all, give your reason (for each) why you think they are anti-animal. None of those are anti-animal (especially the plant one... wtf?)
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I would, but I sense a long, dragged out response coming ahead that will basically lead to nowhere. But I noticed that the stamps I linked are Pro-meat/Pro-Hunting/Anti-Animal group/etc. And like I said, you have very few truly pro-animal stamps in your folder besides the hyena stamps.
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Then I'll do it
"Crying Wolf" is not anti-animal/animal lover. It's a documentary exposing the myth about the "endangered" gray wolf here in the US. Something tells me you have never watched this documentary, since you claim this is an anti-animal stamp.
"People Before Wolves" is not anti-animal/animal lover. It's calling out the double standard most wolfaboos have. They flip shit when a human hunts a wolf, but turn the other cheek (or try to make up absurd justifications) when a wolf kills a human.
"It's delusional" is not anti-animal (at all). It's a completely made up word, by the fanatical animal rights activist Peter Singer for his followers to use this term and try to compare it with the terms sexist and racist. You want further justification for why it's not anti-animal? Read the description.
"Quick, Call ICE" is not anti-animal, for the millionth time now, it's against the illegal introduction of wolves into the US! Nothing more to add to that one.
"Proud Bloodmouth", "I Love Meat" anti-animal... HOW? It's a stamp declaring we love meat. Just like vegans who favorite shit saying they are proud vegans. Does that make them anti-plants/anti-lungs of the planet? Such an absurd statement to make.
"Admit it", "Hey, Vegan" this, along with any other PLANT stamp in my favorites, is NOT ANTI-ANIMAL. How is that even remotely possible? This has to do with vegans and their hypocrisy, nothing to do with animals.
"Overpopulation is no Excuse", "Accept the Harvest" once again, not anti-animal/animal lover. It's pro-regulation. You yourself even admitted you agree with hunting, so I see no reason why you bothered protesting this stamp.
"Everything is Unnatural", "The Nature of Humanity" I'm seriously losing sight of your logic. These stamps are explaining that anyone who thinks guns are unnatural better take a look around them, nothing to do with being anti-animal/animal lover at all.
"Wolfaboo Godwin's Law" Nothing anti-animal/animal lover about this. If you've ever argued (or encountered) with a wolfaboo, you would know that they eventually bring up Sarah Palin. That's really all this stamp is saying.
"AOW only cares about wolves" ...point being? I fav'd this because it's true. The group's name is Army-of-Wolves, they claim to care about all canines, yet all they ever blog about is wolves. How is this stamp anti-animal? Oh wait, it's not. 
"Animal Rights Hypocrisy" Not anti-animal either. If you are pro-animal rights, it is hypocritical to own an animal. It's moreso anti-animal rights than anything, because I'm pro-welfare.
Over all, the stamps you linked have absolutely nothing to do with being anti-animal/animal lover. They're pro-regulation and pro-conservation. What's wrong with me only faving hyena stamps? Why do you think you can dictate which animal stamps I favorite?
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Again, I'm sorry if my post sounded to be based off of anger, as well as the containment of typos like "Areal," but I am just saying that supporting the death of animals, even if it's to save other animals, is basically Anti-Animal, because you still support the death of animals. By "Pro-Animal" I mean It doesn't have to do with supporting their deaths or comparing them to humans or anything like that. For example, like I said, being against the pointless killing of animals or actually supporting the life of animals. I'm not trying to be mean or insulting, I just hope you get what I'm trying to say.
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By supporting hunting I am actually supporting biodiversity.
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I'm well aware of that, but the fact of the matter is is that you support all these causes that kill animals, but you don't seem to support causes that actually save animals without killing. How many times do I have to say that?
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"all causes"
So, you're well aware that regulated management promotes biodiversity, yet you still sit here, whining and complaining that I support it. Your logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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For the last time, it's that you don't support any actual causes that don't involve killing animals, not that your views are wrong or anything like that.
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I don't support any, huh? Refer back to my comment where I worked at a rehab center, or the fact that I'm majoring in Wildlife Biology. You don't know anything about me, so back the fuck off.
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Listen, I'm sorry if I'm being disrespectful, but I'm just trying to have a few things cleared up.
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""Crying Wolf" is not anti-animal/animal lover. It's a documentary exposing the myth about the "endangered" gray wolf here in the US. Something tells me you have never watched this documentary, since you claim this is an anti-animal stamp."
Basically it explains why wolves must be hunted, which I consider anti-animal.
""People Before Wolves" is not anti-animal/animal lover. It's calling out the double standard most wolfaboos have. They flip shit when a human hunts a wolf, but turn the other cheek (or try to make up absurd justifications) when a wolf kills a human."
Which is again, basically, an anti-wolf stamp.
""It's delusional" is not anti-animal (at all). It's a completely made up word, by the fanatical animal rights activist Peter Singer for his followers to use this term and try to compare it with the terms sexist and racist. You want further justification for why it's not anti-animal? Read the description."
"Speciesism" is basically used to describe people who ONLY care about the human race, and think animals are worthless, therefore, yes it is anti-animal.
""Quick, Call ICE" is not anti-animal, for the millionth time now, it's against the illegal introduction of wolves into the US! Nothing more to add to that one."
Which is STILL anti-wolf! Seriously, anything that says animals should be hunted or shouldn't exist somewhere or are worse than humans is anti-animal. Okay?
""Proud Bloodmouth", "I Love Meat" anti-animal... HOW? It's a stamp declaring we love meat. Just like vegans who favorite shit saying they are proud vegans. Does that make them anti-plants/anti-lungs of the planet? Such an absurd statement to make."
"Meat" is dead animals.
""Admit it", "Hey, Vegan" this, along with any other PLANT stamp in my favorites, is NOT ANTI-ANIMAL. How is that even remotely possible? This has to do with vegans and their hypocrisy, nothing to do with animals."
Not Anti-Animal, but still anti-animal lover.
""Overpopulation is no Excuse", "Accept the Harvest" once again, not anti-animal/animal lover. It's pro-regulation. You yourself even admitted you agree with hunting, so I see no reason why you bothered protesting this stamp."
YES IT IS!!! ARE YOU DEF!?! SUPPORTING THE DEATH OF ANIMALS IS ANTI-ANIMAL! I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH!
""Wolfaboo Godwin's Law" Nothing anti-animal/animal lover about this. If you've ever argued (or encountered) with a wolfaboo, you would know that they eventually bring up Sarah Palin. That's really all this stamp is saying."
The stamp basically supports Sarah Palin's areal hunting of wolves.
""AOW only cares about wolves" ...point being? I fav'd this because it's true. The group's name is Army-of-Wolves, they claim to care about all canines, yet all they ever blog about is wolves. How is this stamp anti-animal? Oh wait, it's not.
Anti-Animal lover basically goes along with anti-animal.
""Animal Rights Hypocrisy" Not anti-animal either. If you are pro-animal rights, it is hypocritical to own an animal. It's moreso anti-animal rights than anything, because I'm pro-welfare."
Because "Animal Rights" seriously means "Animals with human rights." Yes, I know people make that mistake.
There is absolutely nothing stoping you from making stamps or favoriting stamps against illegal poaching or against seal clubbing, or anything else that actually supports the life of animals, but you do not make or fave these kind of stamps, only Pro-Hunting/Pro-Human/Anti-Animal Lover stamps. Why is it that big of a deal that you can only make or favorite these kind of stamps, and not make or fave any actual pro-animal stamps. I'm not saying you hate animals, I am saying that your stamps and favorited stamps suggest against being a true animal lover, and that it is odd that an "animal lover" only has anti-animal stamps in their gallery and favorites folder. If I'm starting to be insulting, I'm sorry, but I'm trying to be as honest and cogent as possible. I'm just saying that if you had truly pro-animal stamps, you would seem more like an actual animal lover.
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"Basically it explains why wolves must be hunted, which I consider anti-animal."
No, it's main purpose explains why wolves should never have been introduced into the US. You would know this if you watched the documentary.
"Which is again, basically, an anti-wolf stamp."
Calling out a double standard is not anti-animal.
"'Speciesism' is basically used to describe people who ONLY care about the human race, and think animals are worthless, therefore, yes it is anti-animal."
Wrong, "speciesism" is a term used to describe a species that only cares about itself... which is every species in existence. Humans actually have the capability to care about other species, not just themselves. So, no, this isn't anti-animal.
"Which is STILL anti-wolf! Seriously, anything that says animals should be hunted or shouldn't exist somewhere or are worse than humans is anti-animal."
No, it isn't. It's a stamp explaining the illegality of something our government did, and a non-endangered animal that was shoved down peoples' throats. Look back at the fly analogy I gave you. If you opposed that, would that make you anti-animal? No. It makes you an American citizen standing up for the right thing.
"'Meat' is dead animals."
And salads are dead plants. This still ignores the fact that someone who eats meat can love animals, just like a vegan can still love trees and plants.
"Not Anti-Animal, but still anti-animal lover."
Vegan stamps are not anti-animal lover. You still haven't given any reasonable justification for why you believe so.
"SUPPORTING THE DEATH OF ANIMALS IS ANTI-ANIMAL!"
Oh, "anti-animal".. I love that word. It can make you sound so evil. How about I call you anti-wildlife? Or anti-biodiversity? Or anti-American? Doesn't seem very nice, now does it? You know nothing about me, simply because I do not worship the wolf does not make me "anti-animal". I am pro-management, and believe me, MugoUrth, the wolf isn't going anywhere. Let it go.
"The stamp basically supports Sarah Palin's areal hunting of wolves."
"Because 'Animal Rights' seriously means 'Animals with human rights.' Yes, I know people make that mistake."
Don't blame me for you not understanding the animal rights philosophy. I never said it was "animals with human rights". I said it was declaring animals as people, not possessions. Have you even read any of the books that the proponents have written? Peter Singer's Animal Liberation describes how animals should be applied utilitarianism. Gary Francione's Animals, Property, and the Law explains that "animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests – such as an interest in not suffering – should be afforded the same consideration as the similar interests of human beings". There is no overall definition for "animal rights", it is a spectrum varying depending on how you want that animal treated. Most people don't even know this. That's why this stamp was made: [link] to explain the other forms.
Once again I could care less what I come off as! If you truly think I'm not a "true animal lover" (whatever that even means), fine by me. Those that actually know me, know that I do care about animals. I don't need to be faving every random "I love" stamp to go proving myself to random deviants.
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It's just that you have all this time to make and fave stamps about how hunting is important and how meat, animal testing, and fur is important, but you never talk about things that don't involve killing animals. I know where you are coming at with hunting, but to me, the death of an animal cancels out any life it may bring, which makes it anti-animal to me. And on another note, why is it THAT big of a deal that you're trying to avoid making or faving stamps that are TRULY pro-animal, and that you have to come up with every excuse as to why turning animals into corpses is PRO-ANIMAL. You don't see how someone would find that suspicious? It makes your views seem more biased, and it makes your "love of animals" out to look like a lie. And before you start complaining, I'm not saying you ARE an animal hater, but by only supporting causes where animals die, it makes you look like one regardless of your reasons. Why is it THAT big of a deal that you cannot make stamps or fave stamps about saving animals WITHOUT having to kill others? Even your refusal to is suspicious.
Also, on the topic of Animal Rights, Animal Rights isn't about not keeping animals as pets, but is more about, simply, not harming or killing animals for unjust reasons.
Also for speciesism, you said that humans have the option to not be speciesist. So why SHOULD we be? Why is Speciesism a good thing and so proudly waved around?
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It's in one ear and out the other with you. Why can't you accept that I only focus on one certain type of subject, because that's what affects me most? If you want to surround yourself with "I LOVE ANIMALS" "ANIMALS ARE AWESOME" "HUG ANIMALS WITH ME", then you're barking up the wrong tree. And you clearly are. You are flogging a dead horse, and have been for several months now. You are tilting at windmills about the fact that you don't agree because I have nothing in my gallery that proves I'm a "true animal lover" (once again, whatever the hell that even means) or in my favorites (ignoring that I have hyena and zebra stamps).
"Also, on the topic of Animal Rights, Animal Rights isn't about not keeping animals as pets, but is more about, simply, not harming or killing animals for unjust reasons."
Completely ignoring the very philosophical definitions of the animal rights theory, as well as protectionism vs abolitionism.
Protectionism: animal use may in some circumstances be justified, though it should be better regulated, and that the pursuit of better treatment and incremental change is consistent with holding an abolitionist ideology. (New welfareism, though still classified as animal rights)
Abolitionism: animals are no longer regarded as things to be owned and used.
Welfare: the avoidance of abuse and exploitation of animals by humans by maintaining appropriate standards of accommodation, feeding and general care, the prevention and treatment of disease and the assurance of freedom from harassment, and unnecessary discomfort and pain
"you said that humans have the option to not be speciesist. So why SHOULD we be? Why is Speciesism a good thing and so proudly waved around?"
The point of the stamp is that speciesism in itself is a delusion, because ALL species are speciesist! Relate back to TD's blog. Would you kill yourself to save a chicken? More than likely that answer is no. Therefore you are a speciesist. Plain and simple.
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I'm not trying to be insulting or anything, I just find it odd that you say you care about animals, but all you have are hunting stamps and "animal lovers are so stupid" stamps in your gallery and faves, except for your hyena stamps, which despite what you just said I have actually brought up a few times. Also, I notice your best friend Cynical has quite a few stamps in her gallery which are truly pro-animal, and talk about saving endangered species. I just find it odd that you refuse so profoundly.
As for Animal Rights and Animal Welfare, I hear different things from different people. Some say Welfare is the just treatment of animals, while others say that "Welfare" is only "Treating animals right when it's convenient." ...Obviously that is something Galaxu said. Me, I must confess to not knowing the absolute truth.
I'm not trying to be mean or insulting, I'm just trying to have a few questions about you cleared up.
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You're not insulting, just wasting your time repeating yourself since we have gone over this topic over a million times. And I have answered these questions as such, and I have no problem continuing to answer them, since you are fantastically stubborn about the topic. The reason I have hunting stamps is because I'm a hunter. I see no harm going out to hunt for your own food. Sure beats wasting $4000 a year buying chemically treated food, wouldn't you agree? I have no "animal lovers are so stupid" stamps. There is one that has strongly worded language in it, because it's directed at someone in particular - not towards a group of people. I cannot say who, because it violates DA's unwritten rules. I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself.
"except for your hyena stamps"
So only having hyena and zebra stamps makes me not a "true animal lover" (whatever that even means?)
Cyn is allowed to create dozens of "save the..." stamps. I don't have to. She did them to jump start the Endangered Inc. group, because when she created it, it was just us. You cannot force someone to create stamps just to prove anything. That would be like me asking you to make a stamp saying you agree with hunting to prove you think it's necessary.
"As for Animal Rights and Animal Welfare"
How about you research it for yourself? And not from biased websites (hence why I said to read the proponents of Animal rights' books). It will give you a clear understanding of where they want to take this world, and their radically extreme views regarding animals.
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I guess there's not much else to say. I still find it odd, but you did make a point in the third paragraph.
As for "Animal Rights" and "Animal Welfare." I honestly believe that animals should be treated with respect and without unnecessary abuse. If there's a good reason for killing, fine, but unjust killing is wrong. Something like that.
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Then you're a protectionist. New welfareism.
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""Crying Wolf" is not anti-animal/animal lover. It's a documentary exposing the myth about the "endangered" gray wolf here in the US. Something tells me you have never watched this documentary, since you claim this is an anti-animal stamp."
Basically it explains why wolves must be hunted, which I consider anti-animal.
It's anti-animal to protect habitats which allows said animals to flourish? Did logic just invert itself, or are you being deliberately delusional? There's nothing "anti-animal" about hunting. Hunting helps habitats and prevents the occupants of said habitats from destroying them. Do you have a bitch-fit when they gather up sea urchins and grind them into fertilizer? Would you rather watch the kelp forests disappear, costing us hundreds of species of animal? You can't say that culling sea urchins is fine, but culling wolves is anti-animal; they both serve the same purpose.
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I'm just saying that Sulfide supports any cause that involves killing animals, but doesn't seem to support anything that DOESN'T involve killing animals.
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Probably because the things that involve not killing animals don't work, are insanely expensive, or have consequences that we don't know of. Explain any way to get rid of sea urchins that doesn't involve culling.
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That's not the point. What about animals that are killed for no real reason? Sulfide never talks about these situations, and only zooms in on how certain animals need to be killed.
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Excuse me; Sulfide isn't interested accidents. She's interested in ecological preservation. She says certain animals need to be culled because they need to be culled. And, what do you mean killed for no real reason? I assumed accident, because I doubt you know how the majority of little fuzzy-wuzzies get eviscerated; agriculture. She's already denounced poaching, if you meant that; what else is there? Are you bemoaning cows being killed? And, you still have to prove that culling the animal is anti-animal. You sort of forgot that.
Also, it's sort of odd you say she only focuses on certain animals that need to be killed. Sure, she could bring up how marvelously all the other species are doing, but that would be a waste of time. The species that are causing problems are the ones we need to concern ourselves with, and the most effective way to deal with them is to cull them. The day it is more cost effective, ecologically friendly, and physically manageable to move zebra mussels from here back to Europe, you can pretty much guarantee Sulfide will back it. Until then, we're going to pulverize them into fish food.
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Would you please stop typing? You are missing the point.
I'm not saying that killing animals is pointless, I'm saying that there are ways to help animals besides killing them, and that killing them can ALSO have consequences. Also, I mean illegal hunting like the hunting of whales and seal clubbing, as well as poaching. Sure, Sulfide has said a few times that she's against it, but she's never made or favorite a stamp against it. She also believes that hunting COUNTERS poaching.
You basically seem to be acting that being against killing animals and for other ways of helping them is a crime, and that it makes me retarded and sheltered to support non-lethal methods of helping animals. As for culling animals, like I said before, as long as you ONLY support death of animals, you are not truly pro-animal.
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Would you please stop typing? You are missing the point.
I'm not saying that killing animals is pointless, I'm saying that there are ways to help animals besides killing them, and that killing them can ALSO have consequences. Also, I mean illegal hunting like the hunting of whales and seal clubbing, as well as poaching. Sure, Sulfide has said a few times that she's against it, but she's never made or favorite a stamp against it. She also believes that hunting COUNTERS poaching.
You basically seem to be acting that being against killing animals and for other ways of helping them is a crime, and that it makes me retarded and sheltered to support non-lethal methods of helping animals. As for culling animals, like I said before, as long as you ONLY support death of animals, you are not truly pro-animal.
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I'm saying that there are ways to help animals besides killing them, and that killing them can ALSO have consequences.
Except you are forgetting that we know the consequences of culling, and they are what we want. That's why we do them. We don't want to eradicate a species, we want to control it. If there were ways to help the sea urchins or zebra mussels without grinding them up, I'm pretty sure would would take them.
Also, I mean illegal hunting like the hunting of whales and seal clubbing, as well as poaching.
Illegal hunting is poaching.
She also believes that hunting COUNTERS poaching.
Can you show me where she said that? It's beyond illogical.
You basically seem to be acting that being against killing animals and for other ways of helping them is a crime, and that it makes me retarded and sheltered to support non-lethal methods of helping animals.
Uh, what? Where did I even imply that I'm against other reasonable ways of helping an ecosystem? You are suggesting that I would rather kill animals than some other more effective method of population control. Okay: What method of population control would you prefer? Cutting out their baby makers? We can't fund neutering. We can hardly afford the national parks. Moving them? Yeah, a lot of good that would do Coyotes. Move them from Arizona to Montana; watch Montana have ecologically diarrhea. The reason we cull animals is because there are no other reasonable options. You can't put the wolves back into Canada/Alaska; they're already proliferating there. You can't put them in Europe or Asia or South America because they are not native.
As for culling animals, like I said before, as long as you ONLY support death of animals, you are not truly pro-animal.
Sulfide clearly states that culling is for good of the species. You have this ludicrous idea that supporting culling/hunting means you are against the species of animal, and that is just not the way things are. Being for culling doesn't make one anti-animal. Only stating your support for culling doesn't make one anti-animal. You have presented these absolute states of being pro or anti animal and then you added standards to define them; however, you just ignore those standards to continue your blatantly biased approach to the subject. Culling is for the betterment of the animal, therefore someone who is for culling is pro-animal; however, if you are for culling and do not act as though some ungodly expensive non-lethal measures are better you are anti-animal.
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If you know there are bad consequences, why do you LOOK for them? So you don't see how it's possible to OVER-hunt something? You do realize that it is possible, right?
Also, there is seriously no way to help animals other than to kill them? Isn't that an oxymoron? What about wildlife reserves or laws set on poaching? Or anything else to go along with hunting that ISN'T LETHAL?
I also don't get why animals should be killed for overpopulation and evasiveness, but laws shouldn't even be put on humans so that our own population runs rampant. It always seems like saying anything about the human race along those lines is some misanthropic attack against the race that should be punished by death.
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If you know there are bad consequences, why do you LOOK for them? So you don't see how it's possible to OVER-hunt something? You do realize that it is possible, right?
Regulated hunting has never resulted in the extinction of an animal. You do understand what regulated hunting is, yes?
Also, there is seriously no way to help animals other than to kill them? Isn't that an oxymoron? What about wildlife reserves or laws set on poaching? Or anything else to go along with hunting that ISN'T LETHAL?
Are you kidding? Wildlife reserves are what we protect with culling. And, no, it isn't an oxymoron, idiot; we're talking about an entire species when we say animal, not a singular creature. Oh, by the way, poaching is killing something illegally. You know, because it's against the law to poach? Setting up a reserve would not help the Kelp forests. Setting up a reserve would not help deer. Taking up more room isn't going to stop them from uprooting the ecosystem.
I also don't get why animals should be killed for overpopulation and evasiveness, but laws shouldn't even be put on humans so that our own population runs rampant.
Humans are not overpopulated; this is scientific fact. Overpopulation occurs when a species over steps its carrying capacity of its habitat. Humans can alter our carrying capacity, and our habitat is the entire planet(plus/minus Antarctica). We might be over populated in some areas(India), but, as a whole, we're doing fine. It's hard to categorize humans because we have politics to factor in as well.
It always seems like saying anything about the human race along those lines is some misanthropic attack against the race that should be punished by death.
Freudian Slip?
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Yes, I get regulated hunting, but that doesn't mean all hunting is regulated.
Also, like I said, to go along with hunting. Isn't there ANY WAY to help animals that doesn't involve killing them? Any real way at ALL?
Also, don't we have to destroy habitats and lower the carrying capacity of other animals in order to raise our own? Sometimes I think "We are not overpopulating" is used as an excuse to do nothing about our problems just because "we are human."
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Yes, I get regulated hunting, but that doesn't mean all hunting is regulated.
Please, tell me where in the US I can go shoot something for sport and not get fined/thrown in jail.
Also, like I said, to go along with hunting. Isn't there ANY WAY to help animals that doesn't involve killing them? Any real way at ALL?
That's for you to come up with. Sterilization would bankrupt government before it even got close to fixing the problem, and moving that many deer wouldn't help because there isn't anywhere for them to go without causing problems.
Also, don't we have to destroy habitats and lower the carrying capacity of other animals in order to raise our own?
No, genetic modification allows us to grow more food in the same amount of area.
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I'm just saying that "regulation" is not always taken seriously.
But what about ways to stop unjust killing?
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Yes, and then it's poaching and illegal. You can't stop unjust killing. You can try to prevent it, and we are making great strides in that regard, but it will never stop. You can't have a perfect system, and since when did we go from Sulfide is not anti-animal to regulations are not effective?
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Whoa, I didn't say that regulations are not effected, just that not all hunters understand it. Sulfide did say it better in a nutshell, though.
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Regulation isn't taken seriously by those that don't understand it. You can chop off an animals balls but that doesn't stop it from killing.
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You do realize that most of my recent comments towards Sulfide involve having him clear a few questions up and not actual attacks, right?
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I wasn't trying to say anything with this either.
Just watching the debate as usual.
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I'll admit my past debates were pretty dumb. I've been trying to be more respectful and open minded as of lately.
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We all have to start somewhere. What matters is where we go after that.
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I'll admit that I wasn't acting all that smart in THIS discussion, either.
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I'm trying to see both sides of the discussion, but I do not see why killing animals should be the absolute ONLY way to help animals.
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In some cases, it's the only appropriate solution.
In other cases, another solution may work.
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