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Published: 2007-10-11 12:39:43 +0000 UTC; Views: 12500; Favourites: 438; Downloads: 75
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ok sorry this is abit different from what im normaly do but i saw a picture and i had to make this. sorry i will get to work on my other stamps but heres one for you to enjoy in the mean time
hope you like it and please leave a comment if you are going to use it i always like to know my work is liked
get out there and get all he hunters you know are drunk as a door knob and push them in their car.....
actualy so some bugger doesnt sue me, dont really do it...er...yeah
This stamp we inspired from a picture on the ALF homepage and that background pic was taken from there to. check it out for more things like this
well anyway hope you like it
Sel
Edit: Due to comments made I decided to clear this issue up. NO! I dont support game and pleasure hunting...killing for the shear pleausure is just fucked up and deserve everything coming to them....but those that hunt purely for food I do infact support as it is moving away from the industralied mass slaughter that occurs.... For you fellow Animal Rights suporters...I'll tell you this before you flame me...if we wish to reach true equality between species then why should we make a difference between species by alowing others to hunt naturaly for their food (like lions etc etc) and then forcing the human species to live on a constricted diet....we should be alowed the freedom to choose as other species have.
...so yes hunt for food and there is no problem but make sure you do it yourself....so then you can really see the effect of ending someones life for your own feeding....
anyway enough of the mini rant
but yeah, problem cleared up eh
Sel
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Riiiight. 
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Animals kill humans anyway. So why is it wrong when humans do the same? Animals kill other animals, humans, plants, lots of things. Just like humans, the difference is we try to moderate things and balance them out.
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Animals killing animals is in no way comparable to humans killing animals and you know perfectly well why. You can't possibly compare a fox hunting with his bare claws to survive (carnivores are the only ones who can't do without) to humans hunting or mass-producing animals like products on an unnatural scale and therefore cause great damage to the environment. And this is just one reason why they can't possibly be compared; there are countless of others. I'm not talking about all hunters, just about modern hunters. And before "balancing" out animals, look in the mirror and see the one who is truly the most overpopulated of all... and realize that we are nothing but hypocrites.
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*facepalm* You misunderstood me completely. I mean there are people who campaign for animal welfare, try to save species, ect. We don't want any species to go extinct.
Animals are born with weapons, they have claws and teeth; humans are born with nothing. Weak skin, no claws, no teeth, nothing, just weak, pathetic masses. We have to make tools to do things for us.
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We don't want any species to go extinct
We weren't talking about driving species to extinction. We were talking about modern hunting in general.
We have to make tools to do things for us.
That still doesn't mean that mass-producing/shooting animals like products with unnatural fireweapons/factories/vehicles that go against nature and end up destroying nature is in any way comparable to a snake grabbing a mouse or a monkey using a stick to get bugs out of their nest. Also, to them it's a necessity they can't live without, just like it is for people who live in old tribes like this [link] . But for omnivore people in the modern world it isn't. Hunting means kill or be killed. Cowardice means kill and prohibit being killed.
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You're using a computer right now, you hypocrite. Monkeys and snakes don't use computers.
Face it, you can't avoid it. Either way you go, you have to kill something in life. Even if you go vegan, something has to die for you to live.
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You're using a computer right now, you hypocrite. Monkeys and snakes don't use computers.
Telling me this is just playing dumb, so I'm not even going to bother explaining you the difference between using a computer and mass-killing/producing animals and therefore destroying the planet. You're comparing apples to oranges.
Either way you go, you have to kill something in life. Even if you go vegan, something has to die for you to live.
No one can be 100% cruelty-free. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't even try to reduce the damage at all. Animals kill each other all the time. Does that mean that we should be allowed to murder fellow humans, too? No. Because the line between people killing and animals killing is just too thick. If we make exceptions by banning natural acts like murder, rape and war, then don't use the "it's natural" excuse to kill animals, especially not since our ways these days are far from natural. Again; for humans in this time of age spilling blood is not the same as for the rest of the animals anymore.
No offense, but I really think you have a very biased view on the whole hunting/animal-cruelty thing. You should be more open and understanding of the other side of the story. In the end, the animals are the ones who are the real victims. Not you.
Excuse my poor english...
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Narrow-minded? No, you're the narrowminded one, and you keep tripping over your own words. I try keep an open-mind to things.
Humans aren't the only ones capable of cruelty, animals can be really cruel to other animals, and not just "the cycle of nature" cruel, but real brutal torture, and without technology! Some of the things animals do to other animals would be considered animal abuse if a human did it to a animal.
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Of course I can see the difference! And trust me, animals can be really cruel, I know that, and I know humans can, too. I don't support animal cruelty at all.
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Since you're missing the whole point and are comparing apples to oranges, I guess it's better to end this discussion. Have a nice day.
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I think you missed the point.
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Have you used logic and reason with her? At least you tried.
If you know her enough, you will see she says things like rape are nothing to joke about (if I remember well), but car accidents because of being drunk is perfectly OK to joke about. lol. Especially if it's a hunter.
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Except that she once stated that women who dress up like sluts are pretty much "asking" to be raped.
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Really? 
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Apparently, anyone who willingly uses products containing animal parts is a humanaboo.
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Yeah. She also doesn't realise that 90% of what she's criticizing also applies to animals.
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Oh dear, that victim-blaming shit. Yeah I think I once saw her stating that but I wasn't sure. That makes things worse for her case.
She can't even think about her own opinions before doing anything, apparently.
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I know her, I argued with her back on my old account and her old account. We've been enemies for a long time, yet she speaks like she doesn't know me. I know logic and reason are alien things to her
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No, I don't act like I don't know you, because I don't. Enemies? What are you talking about? Or do you consider everyone against hunting your enemy? No offense, but that's just... weird.
Also, the things you said to me are not logic, but just your opinion. I see no logic in comparing animals hunting animals naturally to people mass-hunting and mass-producing animals like products on unnatural ways that causes unnaturally massive damage to the environment. Learn the difference and then you can talk about logic, ok? Don't mean to be rude, but learn before you write something.
Also, ~pablothefox , it's pathetic that you go this far and block-evade 100 times just because I faved this stamp and sued your friend IRL. I don't support modern hunting or animal-cruelty. Get over it.
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You clearly don't recognise me, we have argued previously before on different accounts, I stated that there. In fact I think you blocked me at one point, or maybe that was your wolfaboo friend.
Back to the topic of reason and logic, I didn't just mean me, I meant anything that anyone says to you, and I've seen a lot. You demonize hunters, yet it's perfectly ok when animals do the same? You go on about cruelty, survival, ect, what about how eagles throw goats of cliffs, or how the shrike impales its prey then shows off to its mate? That's just to name a few, animals can get a lot crueller than that, without necessity, yet humans are the murderous bastards for killing animals they need to eat, in the most humane and painless way they possible can?
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* all I can say is that comparing modern hunters who mass-kill animals on an unnatural way for something they can live without to animals following survival instinct is an unreasonable comparism.
Sorry, I forgot to finish the sentence.
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That's not hunting. Hunting is going out and seeking prey for yourself. But people who raise animals for food? Animals do it, sometimes. Plus, they're treated fairly and are used for a lot more than just food. a lot more, and for more than just human use, too.
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I disagree with that humans treat animals fairly. I also disagree that you can compare animals hunting animals to people hunting animals.
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Have you seen how cruel some animals can be? Humans aren't the only ones guilty in this. We have guidelines and laws, ect to make sure we treat animals as fairly as possible.
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Comparing animal instinct to the massive abuse caused by humans doesn't make sense. And it's our current laws and lifestyles that makes animals and the planet itself suffer more than ever.
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Animals have abused other animals without need for hunting or food. There is cruelty everywhere, it's not just human nature.
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There's a difference between natural instinct and unnatural massive abuse of the entire planet. But since you pretend you can't see the difference, I guess we'd better end this useless discussion.
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You demonize me as someone who hates animals and loves watching them suffer. I assure you I am not, I love animals and am against animal cruelty. Apparently you cannot comprehend that.
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I would like to believe you, really. But you come off as one of those people who thinks that humans are gods and animals are our tools/objects, so it's hard for me to believe you. I hope you understand.
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You kidding me? Take a look at my profile. I hate most humans and I draw mostly animals. I couldn't be any further from what you view me as, I just happen to have an opinion different to yours.
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Maybe if you didn't fave so much animal-hate crap I'd believe you.
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"Animal-hate crap"? No, "animal-fanatically-devoted-to-the-point-of-animal-worship-hate" stamps.
Oh, I forgot, common sense is something you don't have.
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Hurting/killing animals for human goals and calling this loving animals isn't common sense. So sorry, I still disagree with you. Have a nice day and move on already.
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You're the one that keeps replying, and you stopped, then suddenly re-started the conversation. If you're fed up then it's your own fault.
I never said it was loving, but we don't just kill for human goals. Think of pets, or any animal that gets taken to the vet. We treat them. You are against that.
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You shouldn't put words into my mouth just because I disagree with treating animals like products. You can choose to yell like one of those immature anti-wolfaboos that I lack common sense etc. just because I don't agree with animal-cruelty... or you could be an adult and accept the fact that not everyone is going to deny that animals aren't products made to serve as tools/products for humanity. Your choice.
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Hypocrisy, again. You're trying to demonize me, despite the fact that I am against animal cruelty.
"Put words into my mouth", oh, you mean like you're doing?
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I'm not trying to demonize you, nor do I hate you. I just don't agree that people who support legal animal cruely are against animal cruelty. I think instead of mocking me and twist whatever I say, you should just agree with me to disagree. Let's leave it like this.
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"I think instead of mocking me and twist whatever I say, you should just agree with me to disagree. Let's leave it like this." One again, hypocrisy.
That is 99% of what your arguments consist of, and you were the one that started the conversation, you end it.
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Um, you approached ME, remember? I'm not the one who started talking to you. I think it's very rude that you're falsly accusing me of things you do yourself and try turn the roles. I think your problem with me is that I don't agree with your views, so please stop it and just deal with it like an adult.
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Again, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.
Perhaps you need reminding, that conversation finished ages ago, you then re-started it last week, remember? It finished, then you started it.
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YOU started talking to me here [link] and then you started talking to me here [link] so YOU approached me, YOU took the initiative and YOU started it. So youβre the hypocrite. Iβve never talked to you before, Iβve never approached you on your page, so just stop it already. I donβt know what HomeistheW said to you, but me and him arenβt the same person. Now stop talking to me.
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No, the conversation finished then YOU restarted it. Restarted. Read, dumbass.
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Re-started? WTF? Now if I may ask, what was your previous accounts' name then? Because I don't remember ever meeting you before this.
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The conversation ended weeks ago, none of us said anything then you came and broke the silence again and carried it on.
Funny, you claim you want this to be over, yet you continue the conversation. What you mean is you want me to give in and kiss your ass or you'll argue until the cows come home. Oops, I forgot, cows aren't property to you, sorry, did I hurt your precious feelings? Suck it, if "Save an animal, kill a hunter" is just a joke and not against humans, then what I just said was just a joke and not against animals.
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Whatever you want. I don't care about your opinion. 
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My other account? =Snivelly1997 . I didn't give my account name because it was irrelevant the conversation, that's all. But go ahead and harass the hell out of my old account.
"You're rude, you keep forcing your opinion into my throat and put words into my mouth and the mouth of the artist of this stamp, so I have a good reason to block " Sigh, hypocrisy.
Sueing my anti-wolfaboo friend? I don't have any anti-wolfaboo friends and I have no idea who you're talking about. If you mean
~pablothefox , I don't know them, I don't know what they did, I don't care if you sue them and I don't care why you sue them.
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then you came and broke the silence again and carried it on.
Wait, you approached me and then you say I carried it on? 
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No. I approached you. We had a whole argument, we came to an end. Then, weeks later, you came and conintued the argument. So,
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