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CubeTron23 In reply to Pumpkinhead6666 [2015-07-24 11:18:52 +0000 UTC]

It's a Plasma Gun. Can't you see? They're still on his shoulders!

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BowenJ In reply to NaraEragon [2012-02-26 23:08:21 +0000 UTC]

husband?

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NaraEragon In reply to BowenJ [2012-02-27 04:03:09 +0000 UTC]

oh....
never mind

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-12 17:44:48 +0000 UTC]

I thought the AVP movies were ok, i mean bad yes but it still had decent action and you gotta remember this one took on a predalien in hand to hand which is what makes him so badass xD

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HyaenusDominae In reply to Howl-Of-Cerberus [2011-01-12 21:50:18 +0000 UTC]

Well, that's the thing. So little was seen of the predalien, especially in action, that I wasn't sure how deadly it was supposed to be. To be honest, the scariest thing I saw it do was make out with that pregnant woman (the impregnation resulting from which made no sense on so many levels). On top of that, when the predalien was visible, it looked kind of goofy, and I just wasn't able to take it seriously.
Also, I kind of didn't find the Wolf very badass. I mean, in the first two Predators, the predator would usually stick to attacking from a distance with good aim, if not direct combat. Most of the time, the wolf is just laying traps that kill his prey really quickly without his really trying. I know a thing or two about the Predator mythology, and that's actually considered quite dishonorable in the predator's culture.
Also, when the Wolf fought the predalien with the whip, I was like, "That's it. This movie just jumped the shark again." The first time was when the human guy learned to use the predator's gun in, like, two seconds.
Sorry if I'm rambling, I just really don't like the AVP movies.

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-13 02:26:20 +0000 UTC]

I understand, also It isnt dishonorable for several reasons, It was there to clean up so that humans wouldnt discover their technology which is the worst thing to them that can happen. And he was a trained and older predator so of course he was gonna murder everything, the predalien wasnt seen but thats part of the alien thing i mean their supposed to be unsee, alo how didnt you get that? it was a queen predalien and used her to lay its more than 1 egg at onc. the whip at the end it smacked it around but ended up losing it and going hand to hand. Also i dont see how it would be hard to learn how to shot a gun considering you hold the button and it fires.. sorry if im rambling lol

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HyaenusDominae In reply to Howl-Of-Cerberus [2011-01-17 17:26:51 +0000 UTC]

Well, just because the Wolf was there to "clean up" doesn't mean he couldn't do it in a way that his species actually preferred. What I mean is that I'm not bothered by the fact that he did a lot of killing. That was to be expected. What bothered me was how he did it. When he was in the sewer and used those laser-net things, I just thought, "Dude, that's not how it works." Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't just kill the predalien in a single punch with that powerglove thing that he used to punch his way out of the sewer.
About not seeing the predalien. True, the Alien movies are known for not showing the aliens right away. That's one of the cool things about them. However, in the first Alien, we caught glimpses of the thing at first until we could piece together what it looked like, at which point we started seeing clear, full-body shots of it. In this, most of the shots are too dark to even tell what's going on, much less what the predalien looks like.
True, the Wolf lost his whip almost immediately, but that only made it seem more pointless. Plus, it's just not a practical weapon, especially compared to the Wolf's other weapons. Need I remind you of the laser-net and the powerglove.
Yes, the guy (I call him "the guy" because the characters were to bland to remember their names) learning to use the Wolf's gun makes sense because it's so easy, but it shouldn't have even happened. A major theme surrounding the predator's is that we don't understand them, so having a human use one of their more complex weapons to the full extent of its power is just spitting in the face better writing. Plus it could've been avoided. In Predator 2, the predator's shoulder cannon was disabled, so he instead used a plasma cannon mounted on his gauntlet. When the Wolf's shoulder cannon was disabled, he should've done that, instead of converting it to a pistol (which doesn't explain how he fixed it anyway), and saved the audience some major disbelief.
Are you enjoying this discussion as much as I am? It's not every day I have an intelligent conversation about movies like this.

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-18 00:22:17 +0000 UTC]

IF he had done that, i wouldve hated it, that takes all the fun out of the fight. Plus he mostly stripped down his armor anyway to have a fair fight with it. Yeah the human using its weird but if you read the books its nto so weird when there have been more than one women to actually integrate into their society and use the weapons.

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HyaenusDominae In reply to Howl-Of-Cerberus [2011-01-18 04:04:04 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I know humans have become part of predator society and come to use their weapons in time. However, in those cases, they're actually willingly taken in by the predators and taught to use their weapons. In this case, he just learned on his own. It just seemed pointless and poorly thought out.

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-18 19:27:03 +0000 UTC]

i didnt say it was the best movie.

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HyaenusDominae In reply to Howl-Of-Cerberus [2011-01-18 21:34:55 +0000 UTC]

Well, that's reassuring. The point I'm trying to make is that I can't remember anything good about AVP2. I mean, can you? Can you think of a single moment or plot element or character that held a candle to the superb writing and direction of Predator?

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-18 22:30:48 +0000 UTC]

I liked the action of it. And predator while amazing shouldnt have been to hard to write since it was mostly something stalking and killing off people. Then having a finaly showdown, its just how they executed it.

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HyaenusDominae In reply to Howl-Of-Cerberus [2011-01-18 22:48:27 +0000 UTC]

Au contraire, mon ami (lol, random French). Predator is actually far deeper than people give it credit for. It isn't just something stalking and killing people. If that were so, the characters would all just be identical cardboard cutouts. Rather, it's about a group of elite, who think they're ready for anything, going up against something they don't understand in the slightest. Just the fact that the predator can see them, but they can't see it, gives it an almost godlike presence. The soldiers themselves, though not very interesting before the predator shows up, get quite interesting as they each react differently to the situation. Some are simply the early victims, taken by surprise, some lose their minds, some try to keep they're wits about them and run, and some accept their fate and attack the foe head on.
There's also a lot of symbolism when Arnold has his fight with the predator. The fact that he covers himself in mud and reduces his arsenal to spears and arrows seems to suggest that the only way to defeat the hunter is to become a beast, the hunted, which is he decides to let it come after him before he attacks. After that, he actually utilizes the elements of the jungle more than his own strength. Maybe this suggests that the salvation of man lies in nature.
One may also argue that the whole thing is a satire of the way the Americans were pretty much emasculated during the Vietnam War. Maybe so, maybe not.
I might be overanalyzing this, but when analysis leads to something truly profound, it couldn't have been there by accident.
For a similar opinion, check out this video: [link] Excuse his poor English. He's French. And no, he's not me. English is clearly my first language.

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Howl-Of-Cerberus In reply to HyaenusDominae [2011-01-19 01:59:07 +0000 UTC]

I do think you over analyzed it, for one he ran out of ammo, and didnt really have much left to use, The mud he only used after finding out the effect it gave him which was pure accident on his part. He was a trained man who knew how to set traps so of course he would. The people werent al that diffrent i mean the one black guy lost it cause his friend died. I mean if we go by diversity i think Predators has the best since all of them while killers and such are unique.

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