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Bragon-the-bat In reply to Tevo77777 [2014-09-27 07:37:48 +0000 UTC]

I haven't seen nazis fighting for Donetsk and Lugansk independance. And I don't think you can call the few communist fighting there right wing nationalists.

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Tevo77777 In reply to Bragon-the-bat [2014-09-27 08:08:56 +0000 UTC]

Russia right now is very right wing, it's controlled by some off the most out of control capitalism I have ever seen. 

It's also super religious and anti-muslim.

The Soviet Union is dead. Hell, in China Unions are illegal.

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Bragon-the-bat In reply to InfernalishSoldat [2014-08-08 07:31:42 +0000 UTC]

I agree with the geopolitical conflict, proxy war, etc, but there is enough filmed documents to show Pravy Sector members are nazis. If "na" stands for nationalism, they can't be resumed merely to nationalists. Their allegiance to Bandera and their motto "Glory to Ukraine, Glory to the Heroes" show they don't even hide it.
The fact a jewish international wanted criminal is financing the Bataillon Azov is in no way disproving the facts we have seen for the past eight months. Foreigners in the Bataillon are also fascist nostalgics.

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InfernalishSoldat In reply to Bragon-the-bat [2014-08-09 03:35:03 +0000 UTC]

Quizás, pero como te digo e insisto, Pravy Sektor no refleja de forma alguna los ideales del nacionalsocialismo, lo sé porque yo soy nacionalsocialista y Pravy Sektor me parece la cosa más vomitiva que ha parido Ucrania en mucho tiempo, junto a FEMEN. Además, menospreciar el hecho de que un millonario judio financia uno de los batallones de estos pseudo-nacionalistas dice mucho, más de lo que crees. Por alguna razón Amanecer Dorado (que ha de ser, hasta ahora, uno de los movimiento nacionalistas más importantes de Europa) los acusó de ser titeres del sionismo y llamó a la población de Ucrania a estrechar lazos con Rusia, a quien considera un aliado natural de Grecia y parte esencial de Europa.

Además, si nos vamos a los "valores tradicionales", Rusia es infinitamente más tradicionalista que la Unión Europea, y si es que Pravy Sektor fuese verdaderamente nacionalsocialista, estaría luchando por un acercamiento a Rusia antes que a la Unión Europea.

Pienso que básicamente el odio que predica Pravy Sektor sobre Rusia se debe al Holomodor de Stalin, pero ahora los contextos son completamente distintos y Ucrania sin Rusia se va a morir despedazada por la Unión Europea.

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Bragon-the-bat In reply to lisa-im-laerm [2014-08-07 16:58:08 +0000 UTC]

Remember Maidan in november and in february. Cops used batons against Pravy Sector and the all world said it was unacceptable. Then Pravy Sector launched Molotov cocktails on the cops and the all word said nothing. Then the EU imposed an arm embargo to Ukraine so Yanukovitch couldn't used weapons against Maidan rebels (like the doesn't have a stock of ammo!). 
Now, to help Kiev against the Donbass rebels, the embargo has been lift. Today, Poroshenko send troops and armor vehicules against the Maidan protesters (and there is no report of that on French TV as of now).
There is too much ass licking somewhere, too much unjustified anti-Russia propaganda.

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lisa-im-laerm In reply to Bragon-the-bat [2014-08-07 17:09:20 +0000 UTC]

Problem also is, that the people believe their medias
Somehow it is always right what we do and always wrong what Russia does, even when it is exactly the same thing. Very comfortable way of thinking, I have to admit!

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Bragon-the-bat In reply to Jarreltheluckyone [2014-08-07 15:11:42 +0000 UTC]

De quel droit oses-tu t'opposer aux saintes valeurs des choux de Bruxelles ?

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Jarreltheluckyone In reply to Bragon-the-bat [2014-08-07 21:51:32 +0000 UTC]

Bon je crois que je dois applaudir ces... jeunes gens, où on va me traiter d'antisémite.

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Bragon-the-bat In reply to VitaZheltyakov [2014-08-07 09:24:57 +0000 UTC]

ThanX, Vitaliy.

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