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Description I was thinking mostly about anime but then realized it could apply to hip-hop and disco and shit, too. 
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Jostalin [2020-06-29 06:02:47 +0000 UTC]

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to Jostalin [2020-07-01 22:25:55 +0000 UTC]

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Jostalin In reply to CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD [2020-07-03 17:05:34 +0000 UTC]

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The-Darkwolf [2019-09-03 22:24:48 +0000 UTC]

Everything I have ever loved....

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shebyperez1995 [2018-07-23 20:52:55 +0000 UTC]

So its true then, everything worth reading and watching has already been made and has now been copied or restyled and given anew code of paint just to make a fucking profit!?
This is why I miss the 1990's and some of the 80's. That was shit was good!

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Gnoll-El [2018-07-22 19:40:45 +0000 UTC]

Beautiful.  A crystal clear explanation that can be used for the raise and fall of everything from movies to real estate. 

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JWiesner [2018-07-21 18:46:10 +0000 UTC]

Actually, this is the circle of everything creative ever made. Something new is made, marketing makes it popular, it gets boring and repetitive, something new is made again and hopes to find the right marketing.


But either way, you did an excellent job of explaining how it goes.

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jflaxman [2018-07-17 01:40:40 +0000 UTC]

So simple, but so well done.

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taglyy810 [2018-05-10 06:22:12 +0000 UTC]

This is known as the product life cycle. It's taught at University in Marketing and Management courses. It is great that you were able to create this intuitively. Your depiction is easier to understand than many of the textbook graphics.

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to taglyy810 [2018-05-12 22:17:57 +0000 UTC]

omg really??? this is a thing??

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Gbx138 [2018-04-25 21:02:40 +0000 UTC]

Wow, this applies to... Pretty much everything
I've personally seen it happening to dubstep, which is one of my passions. Right now I would say we are at the light blue stage, because a lot of old artists from the renaissance era have been coming back and are producing new tracks.
Still, it's scary how this could apply to... Yeah, anything and everything that becomes mainstream  

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to Gbx138 [2018-06-29 08:03:55 +0000 UTC]

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model88 [2018-04-21 21:38:40 +0000 UTC]

Lol, well done. I hope my stories will always be loved by many but not so much to become *gasp* popular... I agree that there is a certain tipping point when good goes to greatness goes to Hell...

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to model88 [2018-04-23 06:59:42 +0000 UTC]

The tipping point can also be ugly fandoms, but that usually only applies to individual titles and not genres (though it totally can apply to genres)

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Skaramine [2018-04-16 17:26:59 +0000 UTC]

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Artimus-Pax [2018-04-15 18:29:58 +0000 UTC]

The superhero genre definitely.

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AnnieManga [2018-04-12 21:34:56 +0000 UTC]

The absolute truth of this chart!!!

I remember giving up writing a couple of my stories because everything had already been done with these genres and I didn't know where else I could add to it(one was set in the future and the other was set in an post-apocalyptic dystopia with kids as the survivors).

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to AnnieManga [2018-07-30 06:50:43 +0000 UTC]

It's best not to worry about trying to match a genre since they're naturally limiting. Remember what Bruce Lee said about gathering stuff you like from all over the place and combining them, taking inspiration from them, and making something unique that only you could create. 

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AnnieManga In reply to CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD [2018-07-30 20:56:48 +0000 UTC]

Yep, that makes sense. Though admittedly, while I do have an abundance of ideas that seem done to death, some of them I'm not willing to put the time into but I don't want to completely give up on them either.

For those ideas, I'll either make them one-shot stories or just do what you do, put them in the background as a visual gag.

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Hallowedlady [2018-04-11 11:57:13 +0000 UTC]

I think a large chunk of the issue is that a lot of the people making these products tried to put the zombies front and centre, when in truth the biggest threats in those situations are other people. And when they aren’t the main attraction, they’re used to trend the same grounds; humans working together in glorious harmony or humans screwing each other over in the worst kind of way. 

Trying to explain in detail why the zombies are there is rarely worthwhile; at best the explanation is a guideline as to how a main character will get infected, and at worst it goes into ‘secret government/shady corporation experiments’. 


In video games these problems are made worse by where they’re found. Zombies at this point are found in ‘survival’ games, where they aren’t really scary anymore and act as cannon fodder. It’s hard to be scared of something that can be dispatched with ease.

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to Hallowedlady [2018-04-11 12:21:04 +0000 UTC]

Okay.
I mean, it's not about zombies and I changed the title to reflect that and now I'm regretting the title of this image because everyone assumes it's about zombies.

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Hallowedlady In reply to CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD [2018-04-15 09:32:58 +0000 UTC]

Sorry about that!

In regards to genre the issue is supply and demand, alongside trend following. Lots of FPS games were released on the wake of CoD’s success, and still, because it’s something the6 can easily replicate. And when zombies were popular, the market got flooded by books and alike. But once you have a market flooded by all the crap, it kind of become worthless. The cycles repeats because people miss their favourite genre being popular, whilst forgetting what caused the problem in the first place.

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MrDataTheAwesome [2018-04-11 07:20:56 +0000 UTC]

that's too funny! I was just reflecting on how Zombie's aren't insanely popular and dominating every "scary" genre just the other day

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to MrDataTheAwesome [2018-04-11 12:21:46 +0000 UTC]

This isn't about zombies. I use the term 'zombification' as a verb for the life-support put on a genre(ex. anime, hip-hop) after the mainstream has killed it.

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MrDataTheAwesome In reply to CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD [2018-04-11 15:29:56 +0000 UTC]

OH OK
IM AN IDIOT

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Professor-Meowiarty [2018-04-09 21:14:25 +0000 UTC]

I have seen this with a lot of things, and I honestly kind of fear it happening to some interests I'm in.

One that comes to mind off the top of my head is Zombies have hit this at least once.

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to Professor-Meowiarty [2018-04-11 12:24:32 +0000 UTC]

I'm changing the title of this thing to not include the word 'zombification' because people can't get zombies out of their heads. 

I was thinking mostly about anime when making this but then realized it could apply to hip-hop and disco and shit, too. 

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ElectricGecko [2018-04-09 21:03:22 +0000 UTC]

I was about to say, "This chart is brilliant and could apply to every niche art genre ever," then Iread your comment. Well played.

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derby80 [2018-04-09 14:00:36 +0000 UTC]

I can think of two examples, both horror subgenres; 'found footage' films. The guys who made the Blair witch project (I can never remember their names, sorry) have made a few films since it, none of which have gotten that amount of hype. I have seen one, 'altered', an effectively creepy spin on alien invasion. The genre blew up, hundreds of films have been made in that style. There are some good ones here and there, like 'chronicle' (which is like a supervillain origin story), 'paranormal activity' (only seen the first, know enough about the rest to know they wreck the franchise), and my favorite, a little Indy diamond called 'bigfoot: the lost coast tapes' (watch it. It is amazing!)
Another subgenre that took off like a rocket on method was torture porn. It started with 'saw', which was brilliant. Ripoffs and sequels abound now (I've seen up through 4, gave up there. 1 and 2 were the only ones I liked.). The creators of saw (James wan and Leigh wanell) have had pretty good success in films, though, writing, directing, and producing whole bunches of stuff since.
Are found footage and torture porn dead? I kinda hope so, especially for the latter, as gratuitous gore is no good substitute for an honest scare, and there have been enough of both kinds of movies made to tell all the good stories, at least for a while.

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to derby80 [2018-04-09 20:35:03 +0000 UTC]

I enjoyed all the Paranormal Activity movies. I even liked the last one, though it was much too long.

Torture porn had a revival in Europe, but it was.... they took it too far imho.

American tor-por was rather silly in tone. It was usually low-budget with all the money going into some fantastic practical effects. It's for teenagers to scream and dare each other with. Nothing more.

European tor-por is... different. It's actual porn. It's in no way the product of healthy minds. The ugliness and sexual brutality to women is fucking uncomfortable. The way the camera lingers on a dead woman's tears after her teeth were ripped out and choked to death on a man's cock... that's real life "the director is a wannabe serial killer" shit and they hide behind 'it's a political statement' garbage. You wouldn't see Jigsaw doing that shit.

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VikJones In reply to CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD [2018-04-10 17:05:09 +0000 UTC]

Stop spitting on my EU tor-porn...
Oh, and I dunno EHICH country already made like fifteen sequels and spin offs of such torture porn classics as Saw, Cube, Hostel or Purge? Yeah, that's right, USA! So who's silly in tone now, huh?

Btw, the country you mean is France, not Europe in general. France has problems with over sexualization of anything, not just torture porn, though.

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47ness [2018-04-09 10:58:29 +0000 UTC]

I think about this a LOT too (as a more specific example...) when a series first starts out as this indie darling that VERY few people have heard of, then it explodes exponentially and EVERYONE knows about it within a month, then suddenly the originator leaves due to "creative differences" but there's still MAD MONEY to be made (and Funko Pops to be sold!) so it keeps going.

even on dA sometimes you can very easily track the lifespan of a fandom - it goes from fanart a handful of very dedicated but obscure fans (with lots of unique input), then when it gets super hot you have all the Big Name Artists getting in on it- either because they know it's worth expending their brand on or people with deep pockets were willing to commission fanart, then as the initial hype does down it just becomes a lot of copying (and often the remaining fans break into their own camps of how to interpret the story/characters; may or may not include fanon wars).

If a series (or genre) is lucky enough it w ill be reinterpreted by enough independent minds outside of the big studios and it could even be reborn as something quite awesome. Birth, life, death and rebirth. I suppose in many ways this cycle is just normal.

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Lady-Aurora-Moon [2018-04-09 10:08:32 +0000 UTC]

 This could be easily applied to everything. From books to movies, etc. quite the handy chart.

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CAPTAIN-CAPSLOCK-PHD In reply to Lady-Aurora-Moon [2018-04-11 12:37:23 +0000 UTC]

Thank you!

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