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CaptKyle — What Would Janeway Do? WWJWD?
Published: 2008-12-28 05:09:39 +0000 UTC; Views: 1132; Favourites: 19; Downloads: 0
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I love Star Trek, don't get me wrong, but Janeway was incredibly inept. She probably had the highest body count of any of the captains, her crappy decisions got Voyager thrashed countless times (And somehow they ALWAYS got it fixed, despite there being NO Federation bases around for light years and light years.), and she just made horrible decisions all the time, doing the whole 'Uphold the prime directive at ANY cost!' thing...which is stupid. Kirk was smart enough to know when you have to go 'Okay, SCREW the Prime Directive!'It's a shame. The idea of Voyager was good...other than being a rejected idea from TNG. Now, if instead of having a captain that always makes the 'right' decision (making her CONSTANTLY OOC), you had a captain weathered and tough captain making the HARD but necessary decision, you could have had some cool, actual drama and conflict. I mean, come on, sooner or later, you have to go 'Screw it, we need to go pirate.', you might have gotten back sooner or if you go 'You know what? MY CREW FIRST, everything else second!' like you should, you could have had your ship back in the Alpha Quadrant by the end of the pilot episode. Sure, it would have bad ramifications for the Delta Quadrant, but hey, as a Captain, it's your job to make that decision, Janeway!
Next up in the serious WW_D? series I have a What Would Archer Do? and a What Would Sheridan Do? design in mind. Next in the joke ones like this? What Would Riker Do? It'll be good for a laugh. Enjoy.
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There's the right way, the wrong way and then there's the Janeway
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Okay, the show had some plot holes but overall Janeway was a good Captain.
Her only problem is that she wants to stick with the federation laws no matter what comes.
Another point is that shes in an pretty difficult situation. Besides of the prime directive part Kirk or Picard wouldn't act so different when they would strand in an completly unexplored quadrant. I know Picard was once in another quadrant quasi stranded but I take this aside because he was transported back by Q and he didn't encountered any other races besides the Borg. I bet if the Enterprise would've been stranded like the Voyager Picard also would loose many crew members because of his decisions. He's an great Captain the best of all but not perfect.
For me Kirk is my least favourite Captain. His whole behaviour doesn't makes much sense to me (I bet Shatner probably secretly edited the scripts).
Sisco is an complete different topic since he's in command on an space station and not an ship.
Janeway works as Starfleet Captain and the the show works well too.
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In that case, don't send her to the store for some milk!
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Quit Bashing her!! She got Voyager back to the alpha quadrent in one piece PLUS upgrades! AND ...AND she whupped the Borg AND species 8472!! So there!
There's joking and then there's being mean. THIS is borderline Mean
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Picard got the ship around the galaxy a few times. Even if it meant sucking up to Q to get him to change his mind.
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Janeway Fucking cool dude, even better all the captains of Star Trek!
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I totally agree: she's the BEST captain in the ST universe
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strange: some hate Janeway for not respecting the prime directive, and some because she did. Honestly people, you should decide!
Personally I love her: she's the best captain. She had the wisdom and diplomacy of Picard and the intuition, courage and intelligence of Kirk.
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True, She is a mix of Kirk/Picard. I love her.
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She was forced to carry the idiot ball one too many times. When she was good, she was good, but when she was bad...she was REALLY, lose your ship/extend its stay in the Delta Quadrant for seven years TERRIBLE.
And, no she doesn't. Picard was a genius commander from years of experience, able to make decisions on the fly. And Kirk would take a chance. Kirk would have stayed behind on the caretaker's ship in the first episode to make sure his ship got home and the station got destroyed if it was that damn important. Or, dun dun dun, he could live with being on the ship and setting a remote to destroy the station and live with not knowing. Both can do this because they both realize the truth; their ships came first.
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I think Janeway was amazing. The point of the prime directive and what Picard would often write about is how we as a race had improved and overcome our "lets get pirate" ways. She made tough decisions and was respected by her crew, lets not mention her handling of Q! There are allways different opinions of captains but I fell that Janeway is qith Picard on the awesome list.
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What Would Janeway Do?
Kick the other captains from Trek into meaningless oblivion and then wipe the remnants of them off the bottom of her boot? Yes, that's right.
Voyager hardly ever got thrashed, considering their situation, cut off from home. The other captains would have made the same decision as Janeway concerning the Array. With the important difference that they would have then cried all the way home until they got fucked up and blown up by some alien race. Picard would be too nice and pussy-foot around hostile aliens, Sisko would just piss off EVERYONE he met because he's a fool, and Archer...well, you know. Kirk would have managed, probably. That lad's alright.
And also, there were Kazon reinforcements on the way to the Array. Voyager was still damaged from their violent transit out to the Delta Quadrant, and outnumbered. What were the Kazon gonna do? Politely wait for Voyager to go merrily on their way? No. Then they would have gone ahead and burned Occampa and everyone else around to ashes anyway. However events played out, Voyager was never in a position to get home during the events of Caretaker. The only way it might have been possible was if the Caretaker hadn't have died. At least the makers of the show didn't wuss out and leave the utlimate decision out of her hands, it was a choice she made. Hell, I like to think I would do the same thing. She protects her crew fiercely from all other threats. I would feel very safe with her, despite the danger. But its not RIGHT to sacrifice millions of beings for your own gain, whatever your motives. What the Kazon would have tried, however successfully, to do with the massive power of Nacene technology is undeniable. Anyone who can make such a sacrifice for others is deserving of the utmost respect. Anyone who can not turn their back on people who will never even be aware of the sacrifice those 150 individuals made for them is someone worthy of admiration.
Woah, essay post. Btw, if you're wondering why I went to all this trouble of writing this reply, its because you went to all the trouble of creating the artwork. (Which I have to say, is very good. Nice version of the ship, too). I figured I'd write a coherent, largely polite reply because I didn't want to come across as a complete arse. Just voicing my opinion. You have yours, I have mine. Swings and roundabouts, isn't it?
Anyway.....they're only tv shows.
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Well, I'll give you that she's a far better captain than the guy from BSG...and Sisco. Maybe on par with Picard, but I draw the line at Archer and Kirk.
Well, one example that screams to mind about Janeway is she let herself, her engineer (I can almost remember her name...Torez?), and at least one other person, Tuvok if I remember correctly, assimilited! I know, they had a plan and they had some Vulcan thing that kept the borg from reading their minds and finding out what they were doing, but think about it. What if it didn't work? The borg would have known literally everything about Voyager, and not only would they have been screwed over, it'd be Wolf 359 all over again.
Captains have to make tough, terrible calls if their ships are going to survive. Starfleet's done worse things than go 'You guys are on your own!' I mean, they have General Order 24, the order to completely destroy the surface of a planet. As I recall, they chose to destroy the station rather than use it to get home, but what I don't get is why they couldn't have done it on a timer or something? I mean, it seemed somewhat contrived just to stick them there. Still, it's a loving lambast, because characters have done stupider things when writers force them to.
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I love that batshit crazy plan personally. 
I draw the line at the timer argument you put forwards. Totally unjustified, and the Kazon, whilst thuggish, are not fools. They would be totally capable of diffusing the device, and willing to sacrifice people, even if unsuccessful, to try. Again, it may have taken time to set up. Time the Voyager crew simply did not have to spare.
A very hard call Janeway makes is the alliance with the Borg. Ally with the devil, or very possibly let the galaxy be destroyed or at least decimated by an even more powerful race, Species 8472. She makes the right call, even though it must have torn her up inside her to do it. That was also a case of 'crew safety over all else', as the alliance was in the best interests of the crew. A way through Borg space. The treachery of the Borg was a given, which they dealt with at the appropriate time.
You're right, its writers prerogative, and I could tell is was a 'loving lambast' as you so tactfully put, that's why I didn't go 'Nah Nah, fuck you, Janeway's awesome, you're an idiot' because that's totally unecessary, and I don't feel that way. Its your opinion. That's why free countries are wonderful!
I suppose you can make arguments for and against all the captains and crews using the same facts, dependent on which crew your allegience lies with. Admiration is such a subjective thing.
Besides, its sci-fi! If it wasn't outlandish and bonkers on occasion, I wouldn't like it. You feel the same way? (Of course, you can disagree).
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Don't forget her voice sounds like a reject from the Wizard of Oz's Lollipop Kids. Hard to take serious a person that sounds that humorous.
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Have you seen Laserblast on MST3k? They do skits from Star Trek, and one of them is they're being pulled into a black hole. The robots freak, but Mike comes in dressed as Janeway, does the voice perfectly and saves the ship..and then goes a little nuts and starts singing 'Rolling Down the River'. It's one of their best skits of all time.
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I missed that one. Oh how I miss that show. They were the best at ripping on stuff like that. One day I'll own the DVDs.
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I found the clip on Youtube. [link] once you watch it, you can't UNwatch it, just so you know.
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The user pulled it down. Figures, by the time I can get to 'em, they're gone. Teach me to be so delayed all the time.
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[link] Fast forward to 0:50, the bit itself's not too long, but the whole video's like 10 minutes long, so it might take a while to load.
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I think I remember this episode. Suddenly a bit of a drunken hangover, early Saturday morning, and Sci-fi channel are returning...
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