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CDRudd In reply to gx-9901 [2020-05-20 02:23:31 +0000 UTC]

it will be tomorrow (Unless DA caved to pressure from there users)

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ManiacalSpark In reply to jesternario [2020-05-19 19:30:10 +0000 UTC]

And yet that won't make a difference. They just don't care about the user-base no matter how calm or reasonable you may be about presenting your criticisms. They're a corporation, they've spent money developing Eclipse and they're going to push it through regardless because they think it will earn them more money in the long run by trying to present a hobbyist art site as a 'professional' one, like ArtStation and then get all those professional artists back and earn money off of them. Not to mention that the other sites that Wix owns all have a similar layout to Eclipse, so they want to bring it all into a singular cohesive network of corporate feeling sites that are easy for their tech support team to fix and modify without needing to hire or train people to take care of various different sites with different site coding.

It's going to happen. There was never any stopping it.

The question is what happens afterward. Will all the users that protested leave the site as they said they would? Will all the artists that DA actually make money off of leave? Or will they stay and Wix/DA sit there being smug about having called their bluff?

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jkrolak In reply to ManiacalSpark [2020-05-19 19:55:22 +0000 UTC]

Corporations can & do  make mistakes , and occasionally even correct mistakes - see new coke, crystal pepsi, and a clown spokesman for Jack-in-the-box. but much like getting a good idea through a bureaucracy, it's not easy.  Hopefully DA will someday be added to that list of corporations who learned vs another chapter in the business school books of why attempting to reinvent the wheel is a bad idea.

Ironically Futurama got this one right. "if you're doing it right, they won't even know you've done anything at all."

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ManiacalSpark In reply to jkrolak [2020-05-19 20:19:24 +0000 UTC]

Oh I'm not saying that Eclipse isn't a enormous mistake they're blundering into. Hell I don't even know that, with my exceedingly slow Internet, if I'll be able to even use the site at all. But I highly doubt this is a mistake that they'd walk back, even if it did bite them in the ass. Corporations don't like to lose face, especially in today's world and most of your examples are from a time when the world was MUCH smaller and for corporations with MUCH more at stake in terms of their public image. DeviantArt is small, next to nothing in comparison to the major commercial entities you provided as examples. Even if it flops, it's not really going to be the same as a major corporation messing up a tangible product for a MUCH larger customer base. Those corporations took net loses on a international scale and cost them millions in making the product, shipping it, marketing it and then when it didn't sell, having to turn around and spend more money fixing the mistake. And that was in a time without Internet or widespread public saturation of Internet access and ease of information to a large percentage of the world.

The userbase of DeviantArt is tiny. It generates very little revenue and I believe that was the reason why DA sold out to Wix in the first place. In the end, our opinions don't matter. We're just little text boxes and avatars on a screen that can have those opinions edited or deleted outright without any recourse. This is the Internet, and Freedom of Speech and Expression of Opinion only extend as far as the person owning the site allows. I mean for example, CDRudd could just decide he doesn't want this conversation in the comments section and hide all of our comments and there isn't a single thing we could do about it other than complain elsewhere.

I mean it's not really a good or accurate comparison to say that the mistakes made by Coke, Pepsi and Jack-in-the-Box are even on the same level as what is happening here.

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jkrolak In reply to ManiacalSpark [2020-05-19 20:34:58 +0000 UTC]

You're missing the main point here. Even today Corporations waste MILLIONS of dollars attempting to reinvent the wheel. The smarter ones know throwing good money after bad is a foolish policy and will abandon that effort. It is NOT fun. They aren't going to crow about that decision for a current example see Microsoft Windows 8, Microsoft buys Nokia, several cities attempts to "improve" 911 systems, there are lots more. The have all realized their mistake, ate the lost, and hope that their future successful items will ensure it is never spoken of again.

It's one thing to make a mistake. It's another to not recognize your error. And yet another to be not willing to fix your blunder. They knew that for over 50 years now. That basic truth hasn't changed any. DA is about to take that first step in the chain. It is about to become a question of how many more step will they take and how much money (and users) will they be willing to lose before recognizing they are repeating the cycle of this very old problem.

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