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Description More of the time the good guys win but This is taking it to the extreme. A Invincible Hero is a hero who never loses they always win they defeat the villains effortlessly. more of the time poeple (myself in clouded) find Invincible Heros very Boring, unbelievable, unrealistic, and just plain ridiculous.


Heroes win in the end. It's a general rule of fiction. Sometimes, though, you want the hero to lose a few battles. As a result, you have an occasional instance of The Bad Guy Wins. This also shows another generally good consequence: the importance of the struggle, the need to make an effort, and the necessity of Character Development.


Also see Invincible Villain, their Evil Counterpart chaser1992.deviantart.com/art/… .


Examples

Bugs Bunny only a hand full of poeple have beten him and even then its hardly happens. Tweety or Speedy are this too.

Most Looney Tunes protagonists leaned into this trope

Gaz from Invader Zim She's a Black Hole Sue.

In Tom And Jerry or Road Runner cartoons the Designated Villain is always condemned to failure. It gets tiresome after a while and makes one want to go Rooting for the Empire.

Your sympathy is supposed to lie with Wile E. Coyote. The thing of it is, he could stop the pain at any time by not chasing the Roadrunner.

Tom occasionally got a victory over Jerry (especially in later shorts), often when the mouse started their Escalating War without provocation. Add to that as often as Jerry won, he was still vulnerable to Amusing Injuries, albeit not nearly as often as Tom.

Jerry's Invincible Hero status is partially owed to Weird Al Effect. There are a deceptively large amount of shorts where Jerry wasn't the clear victor (either due to Tom getting the last laugh, or the two falling into a stalemate where neither was better off). Even in the instances Jerry was victorious, the times he won handily were rather uncommon, with him often shown struggling against Tom, or taking nearly as much slapstick pain and humilation as he did.

Adverted with Dragon Ball Z main protagonist Son Goku. Yes he powerful there's no denying that. But he is given limits that he as to surpass. And he as had quite a few defeat he's had to deal with. Played straight however with Goku and Vegeta fusion Vegtto.

Superman, with a few exceptions, such as never being able to beat archvillains such as Darkseid or Lex Luthor, though that's mostly due to Joker Immunity.

Squirrel Girl

Wolverine, thanks to his ridiculous regenerative abilities, can now regenerate from only a few cells in a matter of minutes. While still a very popular and interesting character, his ability kills any dramatic tension.

Doesn't mean Wolverine always wins, though.
And you always know he isn't going to win against Magneto, who nearly killed him at least once

In Sonic X, Sonic the Hedgehog leans into this territory on occasion.

Alucard from He losing is a Invincible Sociopathic Hero who almost all his battles are curbstomp battles with his enemies hitting the curb.
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Hexidextrous [2021-09-26 01:13:41 +0000 UTC]

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GAMECUBian [2021-04-04 03:05:43 +0000 UTC]

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Moshe30350 [2016-11-23 02:11:21 +0000 UTC]

so people who are gary and mary sues

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Chaser1992 In reply to Moshe30350 [2016-12-27 06:33:15 +0000 UTC]

Kind of. A invincible hero isn't necessarily a Mary Sue (just like a invincible villain isn't necessarily a Villain Sue) and Mary Sue is not necessarily the Hero.

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Moshe30350 In reply to Chaser1992 [2016-12-28 20:32:10 +0000 UTC]

But isn't a Mary sue a all powerful being who is all perfect that everyone love and concept of the Arthur and stupid perfect.

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Redlight47 In reply to Moshe30350 [2018-12-20 16:57:29 +0000 UTC]

Well, no. The difference is clear cut.

An invincible hero isn't a perfect person. While they may not be physically beatable, they often suffer in other ways like having people they care about die, having the public against them, or just being being used as a pawn for the villain to the point where even their victories are hollow.

A Mary Sue, on the other hand, is what I like to call a "Plot Blackhole" because everything gravitates towards then. They are the only driving force in the story. They can't have an arc or a flaw because they are already developed and perfect in every way.

A good example would be someone like Ainz Ooal Gown from From compared to someone like Touya from in another world with my cell phone. Both are OP isekai protagonists, but Ainz has clear emotional weaknesses like his lack of humanity, his depression and loneliness from his guild mates, and the struggles of keeping all of the wicked monsters from Nazeric on a leash. Touya has no virtual weaknesses or challenges to overcome, and basically gets handed everything he could need from girls to power frol literal God.

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Moshe30350 In reply to Redlight47 [2019-01-03 06:25:59 +0000 UTC]

Thank you for pointing out the difference to me.

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Redlight47 In reply to Moshe30350 [2019-01-03 21:23:35 +0000 UTC]

No problem but it's fair to mention the the measure of a character being a Mary Sue depends solely on the writer.

For example, DC's Superman and Batman are the two biggest Mary Sues in comic books if they're in the hands of a poor writer. The former is a being so strong he can literally lift infinity, is morally incorruptible, and his only two weaknesses never work on him. The later, while only human, can be such a sue that the phrase "Prep Time" is equivalent to Plot Armor for him. And then he got plot armor when the Justice League built a suit for him to fight off litteral gods.

Again, this is only if an unskilled writer gets a hold of them. The most interesting stories involve them at their most vulnerable like when Superman had to fight Doomsday or Batman is forced to face his own shortcomings. That's why comics exist, to show heroes get through daunting trials that push them beyond their limits.

That isn't to say some Mary Sue heroes can't be good. Squirrel Girl, the Master Chief, and to a lesser extent Saitama, are all examples of good Mary Sues who people love. The reason for this is because of the good writing they have and small character flaws they possess. (That, and the fact that two of the three don't take themselves seriously while MC is just a badass we get to play as)

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Moshe30350 In reply to Redlight47 [2019-01-03 23:51:30 +0000 UTC]

But following that logic wouldn't all heroes be Mary sue, since they have extraordinary abilities.Β 

Like take Spider-man a intelligent scientist with spider powers, that beat his enemies who can one shot him. The reason he still alive is because he discover the weakness and exploit them. He also have a lot love interest that most people would dream to have.

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Redlight47 In reply to Moshe30350 [2019-01-04 01:39:52 +0000 UTC]

True, but again, this is largely in accordance to the writer. Spider-Man and Batman usually wins by clever tactics and gear. The difference is that Spider-Man, on average, is seen as less of a Mary Sue due to a lot of character factors that Batman doesn't have.

Spider-Man even with all his powers and planning, has had his plans fail multiple times. For instance, when he was ups against the Sinister Six, he had his own plans back fire on him and left for dead by the villains several times, but he eventually succeeded in taking down the bad guys and saving the day after at the cost of a hefty role on his body.

Batman, mean while, can take on every bad guy in his rogues gallery at once with out any physical struggle. And all he would need is just some prep time and new gear he Macgyvered togeather with his infinite wealth and supplies. And none of that would feel out of place because he's Batman.

I guess it really comes down to the core of the character. Spider-Man has always been a man first, dealing with mundane struggles like finding the money to pay for rent and groceries, keeping his love life intact, and being there for his friends. The superhero life is just an extra layer of drama on top of that. Batman is the genius, billionaire, playboy of DC. He will never have to worry about his personal life outside of the occasional business meeting with his billion dollar, international company, or attending some bloated investor's event.

That's not to say that Batman isn't a good character, because he is when handled correctly. A good example is in the Arkham games, specifically Arkham City, where Batman's health is rapidly deteriorating and he's struggling to find a cure while also having to deal with a city that's literally rotten to the core with villains.

And contrarily, Spider-Man has been an absolute shit hero until recently. This is because of the old author, Dan Slot, personally hates Spider-Man and went out of his way to make him an absolute douche bag that runs the lives of everyone around him. He tried to fight Iron Man because Tony was just a more popular hero, and stole other scientist's ideas and tried to make it his own. And that's just the tip of the outrageous iceberg Slot made in his run of Spider-Man.

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Moshe30350 In reply to Redlight47 [2019-01-04 02:37:03 +0000 UTC]

So it's all about the struggle and the effort of the character that keeps away from being a mary or gary sue.Β 

At time Batman is dangerously close of being a gary sue, but you right well talented writers have written with flaws and difficult challenges. Unlike Frank Miller who keeps glorifying the Dark Knight.

Like the time Dan Slot turn Black Cat into a psychotic mobster. I really hate that guy work, thank goodness Nick Spencer is fixing up the mess Dan Slot cause. I really hope he undoes One more Day even though I hate Peter and Mary Jayne as a couple.Β 

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Redlight47 In reply to Moshe30350 [2019-01-04 04:25:41 +0000 UTC]

It's not allΒ about the struggle, but also about humanizing the characters. They have to have flaws and goals, just like a regular person would. And even if they don't, weather it be because they're an alien or a robot, then there at least has to be a cast of supporting characters or antagonist that does.Β 

This is partly the reason why Isekai is so popular right now. When done right, an isekai can take an ordinary person out of their comfort zone and lob them in a place where they must use everything in their power to familiarize the world and rise above the hostilities of both it's people, creatures, and even gods by using the knowledge that they have from being raised in a world that's oversaturated in fantastic media.

I'm even writing one myself. Hopfully he's not too much of a Mary Sue.

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Moshe30350 In reply to Redlight47 [2019-01-10 01:27:18 +0000 UTC]

Sorry for not replying sooner, I'm glad I had this talk it gave me a clear view of an invincible hero and the difference of a mary/gary sue.Β 

Just curious is your story a fanfic or is it your own work?

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Redlight47 In reply to Moshe30350 [2019-01-10 12:15:22 +0000 UTC]

I guess it's kind of... both? It's a story based off of the manga, Kenja no Mago. A story with a lot of good ideas, but is bogged down with a lot of subpar writing, dialog, and storylines. I added and subtracted a lot of characters plots that I'm not sure if it qualifies as a fanfiction anymore, but I'm calling it a fanfic to give credit where credit is due.

If you want to hear about it, I can PM you the details. I'd like to have someone else's opinions.

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segamarvel [2016-08-13 22:34:11 +0000 UTC]

What? You forgot to mention One Punch Man. You know...they guy that people find entertaining EXACTLY because he's OP? Funny. People will cheer for any character no matter how OP they are so long as they are written good. That being said I know what your trying to say and there is some truth to it but still even then their are exceptions to the rule.

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Hexidextrous In reply to segamarvel [2021-09-26 01:09:22 +0000 UTC]

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Chaser1992 In reply to segamarvel [2016-08-17 03:46:10 +0000 UTC]

This was made long before One Punch Man was a thing. And I still haven't see it.

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segamarvel In reply to Chaser1992 [2016-08-17 04:12:06 +0000 UTC]

Fair enough.

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Red-Jirachi-2 [2014-09-25 04:47:33 +0000 UTC]

Would God from the Bible b e this done right?

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Chaser1992 In reply to Red-Jirachi-2 [2014-09-27 04:35:44 +0000 UTC]

Well hay. I suppose.

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MagicalKeyPizzaDan [2013-11-09 19:18:49 +0000 UTC]

i finds Superman is very boring and gary sue that why i loves Goku and Vegeta more than him but mostly Vegeta

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masonicon [2013-03-26 05:42:29 +0000 UTC]

I finds Invincible Hero Boring(that's why I like it's evil counterpart far better)

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Chaser1992 In reply to masonicon [2013-03-27 01:40:28 +0000 UTC]

Me to. But the good has to win it the end or you will have a Downer Ending and a Karma Houdini on your hands. Bad heroes always wining and never losing is Boring. you want the hero to lose a few battles and have the Bad guy win a few times.

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masonicon In reply to Chaser1992 [2013-03-27 01:51:42 +0000 UTC]

at least the heroes in my project will wins Pyrrhic victory(that's because of Spongebob become messiah thing where he'll gave up his godlike powers to rebuilt the omniverse)

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Chaser1992 In reply to masonicon [2013-03-27 02:14:00 +0000 UTC]

AAAAHHH. Interesting

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