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When the vest comes off, you know it's about to get real!Related content
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XD I like how she took her vest in the latest comic issue
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Hehehehe I picture Sonic wearing her vest when she's not looking XD
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It's funny seeing Sonic like this just after Sally took her vest off as she throws down a gauntlet.
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It's weird seeing fans singling out this moment in the story. It's almost as if they forgot Sally only wore a vest and boots for a couple hundred issues.
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That is the best purpose for clothes. too look badass when she takes them off omfg XD
i wish she kept her eyebrows
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That's what clothes are really meant for! 
(Wish they kept the eyebrows too. But it's understandable the reason why they removed them)
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Yes i can understand that. I mean in my opinion they gave her more expression.
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I love both character's face expressions!!
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SonicΒ΄s like "DonΒ΄t look at her!Β DonΒ΄t look at her!" xD
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Inspired by the latest SU comic eh?
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It was the best!Β
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It's actually inspired by Sonic Universe #73 "Spark of life" part three.
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Really... -_-
Hey, remember the time Sally wore nothing but a blue vest and boots and everyone was okay with that?
Yeah, um... what happened? Is this really the fandom I came back to?
Jeez.
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Remember how she kept her SatAM design WAY too long and therefore looked completely out of place in the comic compared to the other female characters? Yeah, we remember that.
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She kept her design for long? LOOK AT SONIC AND THE OTHER MALES!
Also, are you sure Sally looked out of place compared to the other females? Maybe, the other females looked out of place compared to Sally? Hmmm???
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The SatAM cast as a whole looked out of place. More realistic animal looking unclosed-females/closed-males compared to the colourful closed-females/unclosed-males. The redisign should've been done all way back in the #72. Not #252.
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This just in: They're animals, they do not need clothes! Remember Minnie Mouse's original design or even more recently the 2012-present remake (a polka dot skirt dress but no top), Cleo from Heathcliff, Fifi Le Fume from Tiny Toons, Dot Warner from Animaniacs (a pink skirt dress but no top), Fiona Fox from Archie Sonic's Anti-Moebius, etc. Quit being ignorant.
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Why can't just you quit being ignorant and look at the other comments we did?
I AGREE.
The problem is that Sega decided to dress the female characters to begin with. Making espacily Sally looking out of place. The other problem is that the Sega characters looked out of place in Archie compared to the Archie/SatAM characters!
This is NOT about that silly "Baw! Sally is naked!" stuff. It's about all characters having similiar looks so it looks like they actually belong to the same damn universe!
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The problem is that Sega decided to dress the female characters to begin with. Making especially Sally looking out of place.
Bullshit. On Tiny Toons, no one chastised Fifi Le Fume for being an amorous skunkette and the only Toonette without clothes (Fifi, like Sally, was also voiced by Kath Soucie), so why should Sally have to suffer, just because she comes from a bygone era when people were less prudish and didn't have sticks shoved up their ass about anthropomorphic animals being sans clothes? I mean, the whole concept of putting clothes on animals when their fur should suffice is ridiculous enough anyway. What's next? You're going to ask for people to put clothes on their pets, ask for the Muppets that are without clothes (Kermit, Big Bird, Oscar, all monsters from Sesame Street, etc.) to wear them, ask for the Fraggles of both genders that are without pants to find some, etc.?
The other problem is that the Sega characters looked out of place in Archie compared to the Archie/SatAM characters!
The problem I see is people saying that the Archie/SatAM characters "aren't" SEGA when SEGA of America created them and licensed them for use on SatAM and in the comics. Sure, SEGA of Japan brought us Amy Rose, Big, Blaze, Cream, Cheese, Tikal, Cosmo, Shadow, Silver, etc. but they were added after Japan wrest control of Sonic away from its American counterpart out of jealousy. In fact, this rivalry not only broke the fandom (ex: pairing wars, game purists vs those who love the cartoons and comics, Classic vs Modern fans, etc.), it also nearly destroyed SEGA, because it was internal bickering that caused SEGA to not pay attention to the failures of the Saturn and Dreamcast opposite arch-rival Nintendo and newcomers Sony (Playstation) and Microsoft (X-box), and when SEGA dropped out of the console wars, it nearly took Sonic down with it, before selling its creative soul to become a third-party developer to keep it from dying (in other words, it sells Sonic out like a cheap prostitute for money and attention, just so the company can survive in an age where Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are the only main competitors and nothing SEGA does will get it back to its glory days ever again).
It's about all characters having similiar looks so it looks like they actually belong to the same damn universe!
F' that. The whole point of a character in any franchise is to have a unique, defining look and distinct personality that makes you stand out. Sally had that. Now, thanks to the SEGA redesign, she's basically another Amy Rose, especially since now the second Genesis Wave has basically reduced Sally to being "just friends" with Sonic now (most likely due to SonAmy being canon in Sonic X and Sonic Boom, with the latter being French-American, like the old 1980's Inspector Gadget series or Code Lyoko, but in CGI and using the Modern Sonic characters instead of the American characters that've defined the American continuities for over 20+ years).
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You still don't get it. I always hated the fact that the female sega characters weirs clothes. Espacily when not the males do. I myself would've prefered not dressing any of the Sonic characters at all.
Ok. Thanks for the info. Even though I don't care about the franchise anymore. I unwatched everything having to do with Sonic and only follows franchises that were more thought out to begin with. I only kept go on with this conversations since I felt the subject at the beginning didn't neccasary have to do with Sonic, but anthromopric animals as a whole.
At least Sally looks more similiar to the game characters. As for sonally being official or not, I don't give a shit about it and never did and always thought it was a silly thing being butthurt over. Same for Sonamy. And you seriously believe that Sonamy was canon in Sonic X? You seriously do?
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Not in the dub, but in the Japanese version, there was a scene where Sonic did say "I love you" to Amy. Luckily Boom has tried, much like the comics had, to expand her role beyond the clingy fan girl cliche and I'm proud of that. I know this is just my nostalgia and my personal preference though, but I prefer Sonic with Sally, because before the retcon, Sonic and Sally had childhood memories to link them together and what's more, Sonic always seemed the type to need a levelheaded girlfriend who could reel him in instead of a teenage stalker (which is what Amy had been for much of Modern Sonic's run from 1998 onward, instead of the cute kid with the celebrity crush that she used to be when she was 8 to Sonic's 15 in Sonic CD).
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You mean that scene that was MUTED in the Japanese version? The scene that lead NOWHERE and were hardly even followed up in the next series? (Series 2/Season 3/The Metarex Saga) Yeah dude, that's not enough to convince me.
I always prefered Sonic being singel.
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I prefer Sonic with Sally, because at least she has had real chemistry with him and kept him in check.
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Sonic himself got flanderized into a complete manchild, Antoine got even more annoying than before and Rotor and Bunnie were out of focus. All to make Sally the Mary sue princess look even more great. And no, they don't fit at all. I'll go with Toni-The minks explanation for that pairing: Ball (Sonic) and a chain (Sally).
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A Mary-Sue is perfect and has no flaws. Sally does have flaws, so she's not perfect and not a Mary-Sue.
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If it were that simple, you could just make a character clumsy but perfect in every other way and say it's not a mary sue. She was one in SatAM- ops, sorry, I meant the princess Sally show.
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SatAM was the best Sonic show ever, so kindly back off of that. Besides, Sally does have flaws, so she's not perfect. A perfect person with no flaws is the very definition of a Mary Sue and Sally has flaws, so she's not a Mary Sue.
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Yes, it was the best "Sonic" show. But best don't have to mean good. It had the same problems all the other shows had.
She hardly had any flaws. And those few flaws she had disappeared in season 2 there she also got promoted to main character. Yes, even over Sonic.
- Spotlight-Stealing Squad : She's used as a co-lead in every second season episode (absent in only one Antoine short). It's not rare for her to be Sonic's only team mate in some episodes.
- Surrounded by Idiots : More so in the second season, where more emphasis is put on her competence over the other Freedom Fighters. She had to more often stop Sonic from endangering himself via arrogance , or put up with Antoine or Dulcy's blundering. This appears in the first season too, but is more subtle (and she is more prone to acting up herself ).
- Flanderization : She had her positive aspects exaggerated, starting off as a Not So Different Foil for Sonic in season 1 and then practically acting as his Hyper Competent Sidekick in season 2 to accommodate his increased recklessness.
- Canon Sue /Einstein Sue : A common complaint concerning Sally. She existed largely as The Straight Man to the main character, and to prove how his trademark "like the wind" ethic was in fact reckless and incompetent compared to her more cautious, meticulous approach. The fact she gradually absorbed spotlight and defining talents from other characters (eg. Rotor as The Smart Guy ) and thus became the most effective and versatile Freedom Fighter by a noticeable amount didn't really help in this regard. This is less prominent in Season One, where Sally has a more specified role to the team and could sometimes be arrogant and careless.
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Well, Rotor was going to be devalued anyway, whether it be by Sally or Tails, so... But, so what? Knuckles is still Sonic's rival despite Shadow also fulfilling that role, so why can't there be two smart people (or three, if Tails' character development was given its true potential in season 3 had the show continued) on the same team?
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Why are you mentioning shit like Knuckles and Shadow when we are talking about SatAM (1993-1995)? The show that did all in its power to be what the games were not?
But it's not too bad. I mean, at least the Princess Sally show is better than Chris/Cosmo X.
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Β The show that did all in its power to be what the games were not?
It did not. SatAM was based on the Genesis era games when everything was localized and there was little to no backstory. The Modern era began in 1998.
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I know that. Hell, Sonic 1 was the first game I ever played in my life!
Same with Sonic the Comic. Yet that continutie actually felt like something based on those games. Archie and espacily Satam did not. Oh, and Sonic the Comic took much more elements from the eeuropean/american bible as well. So don't you tell me that Satam did anything like respectung the little source material it had. Because it did not.Β
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It did. The Freedom Fighters were based on the tiny animals, the locales were based on game zones, Sonic's way past cool personality was based on what Oshima created, etc.
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"the locales were based on game zones" I don't agree on that. + most of what we were shown was Knothole and Robotropolis. Guess that's what happens when most of the episode has the simple plot "Sneak into Robotropolis. Sneak out."
And the 3 power stones still bugs the hell out of me. There was 6 Chaos Emeralds in Sonic 1. How fucking hard could it be to use those instead?
And I hate the Swat Bots too.
And what about the Death Egg? And Silver Sonic? And Metal Sonic?
I say it again. Sonic the Comic made me feel like it was based on the ACTUAL Classic games. SatAM hardly did that. It felt alien.
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Metal Sonic and Silver Sonic were not introduced until later, as SatAM was largely inspired from the first and second games. Like how Tails would've gotten his character development in season 3 and we would've seen the introduction of Knuckles going from season 3 to 4, Metal Sonic most likely would've been introduced somewhere down the line had the show been able to continue alongside the comics that it inspired.
The locales were based on game zones (ex: Knothole/The Great Forest was modeled from Green Hill Zone, Robotropolis was modeled from Scrap Brain Zone, Floating Island - minus Knuckles at the time, sadly - and The Special Zone/The Void were directly used, the underwater episodes paid a homage to the Labyrinth Zone, etc.).
As for the Swatbots, they work better than random alligators, lobsters, many relatives of Cluck (or Scratch from AoStH), Grounder, Coconuts, etc. and all other badniks used (although Robotnik did use the Buzz Bombers in the pilot episode) to the point that Sonic Chronicles brought them back to the franchise. I mean, most badnik designs make Robotnik look silly for using them, but the Swatbot design makes him look intimidating, since he was supposed to actually be a threat back in the Genesis era and, per SatAM, had already taken over.
Regarding the Deep Power Stones and the giant underground crystal opposite the Chaos Emeralds and the Master Emerald, maybe that was SEGA's doing, seeing as everything was being localized back then, so that each country had their own continuity. I mean, even the original game's arcade version even had a hidden SatAM Robotnik sprite design [ www.sonic-cult.org/dispart.php⦠] inside it in case the games ended up completely localized between one country and another.
Regarding Sonic the Comic, it actually not only used the Sonic Bible as a basis (which SatAM also did), but it used the pre-conceptual ideas SatAM had left on the floor when the show finally got picked up (as opposed to be a main Freedom Fighter like he was in the UK, Porker Lewis was a background character on SatAM during crowd scenes [ saturdaymorningsonic.com/featu⦠]; Johnny Lightfoot was changed to Bunnie Rabbot, which actually became a good thing, since Sonic the Comic killed Johnny off, whereas Bunnie remains a fixture right alongside Sally and the other SatAM characters in Archie Sonic, particularly so long as Ian Flynn and other writers who grew up on them are writing the comics; Boomer aka Rotor Walrus works better than calling the "Rocky" character Joe Sushi, although Rotor did lampshade his UK counterpart's existence in an episode by saying "I shouldn't have ate Joe's sushi"; and Sally resumed a look closer to her "Ricky" counterpart than the design she had in the pre-conceptual art piece [ saturdaymorningsonic.com/image⦠] and the original story board sketches for the opening made Sally look even closer to her "Ricky" design [ saturdaymorningsonic.com/image⦠] than even her final look did).
As it pertains to the Death Egg, what do you think Robotnik's base (the one shaped like his head) and hover chair [ web.archive.org/web/2015031722β¦ ] were meant to represent?
As Ben Hurst said regarding the differences SatAM had from the games that inspired it,Β "Len Janson was the story editor in season one and he created the bibleΒ (the writer's bible [ web.archive.org/web/2011071610β¦ ], which expanded upon the source bible aspects and the general premise given to them by SEGA).Β He was fed things to put into the series, some of which he included, some of which he ignored. Thus the power rings and other elements."
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I wouldn't call them colorful and what do you mean by closed/unclosed?
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