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...I drew a dragon.... I think it might be influenced by Godzilla....look at the spines......
His name is red. I posted this link before... but at the bottom of the post I ran it through a few filters....
chobeksbox.blogspot.com/2016/0…
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I love this new, clean drawings. They feel new, fresh. That's good
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Thanks!
He might give the Loach a run for his money.... (I realize I have never typed that phrase.... Now I am going to go look up what it means ... Exactly...)
i didn't get to listen to your suggestion yet ... But I will....
For this I was listening to Dean Martin .... So imagine him singing "You're Nobody Till Sombody Loves You."
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Loach as in the bottom feeding fish?
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No... The Loach... As in my D&D rip off tripping monster
chobeksbox.blogspot.com/2015/0…
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Oh yeah 
Well, when I saw your drawing, I immediately thought of this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudodr… , one of my favorite D&D illustrations.
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Yeah that is a very cool illustration... I like how alive the lines seem on it ... So organic and expressive...
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I think red is a bit bigger.
Your lines are certainly alive, they look like they're gonna wriggle off the page.
What are the dimensions of this drawing?
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-yeah, Red isn't Godzilla big.... But he could step on a few people
-my stuff is lively ... But I think the full creature in the illustration had life to it.... Mine kind of seems like the skin is sizzling.
-I am not by the drawing right now...but- I think the sketch book was 9" X 12" I trimmed some from there so Red himself could probably fit on a sheet of copy paper.
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Part 2:
uncapitolize... that aint no word... discapitolize... Acapitolization?
Anyway...
A LONG time ago my cousins, who are now in college, were children So I decided I would write them a story....
I started and stopped a million times... never making much progress....
It was called the stories of Hazika... It was about a little girl who was stuck in the house on a rainy day. She sees a spider on the outside of the window- in danger of being washed away, so... even though she is afraid of it, she opens the window...... blah blah blah....
Jump to the point - Spider is magical- she talks to the girl and tells her stories about the things caught in her web... an eyelash from an elephant... the scale from a dragon... a beautiful thought ......the scent from a flower.
I only had a handful of stories ....
one was about a frog who fell in love with the moon.
one was about a ticklish tree. -it is about a tree that is old and tries to act dignified, but can't help giggling because it tickles every time it rains.
and one .... and this is my point I guess... was about a girl who follows a path of odd but beautiful stones .... they lead her to the head of a dragon. He laid down to take a nap but because time is different for him soil and earth had grown around him .... so his sleeping body had become the landscape... then she shares her lunch with his head...
Anyway.... frogs and dragons and trees keep popping back up for me .... Red has a very different character than the sleeping dragon... but drawing him brought back those thoughts. I think I might work on it again... This time I won't even pretend I am going to finish.... I will treat it as fodder... testing my ability to draw something intentionally........... I don't know if other people are like this but I am usually surprised by what I end up drawing
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Your stories sound spellbinding, wish I had a relative that spun such tales for me.
I'm always surprised how my drawings end up too. Sometimes I'm impressed, sometimes let down. I was surprised how closely my last piece resembled my original vision, but dissatisfied with it stylistically. It turned out too cartoonish. I've always struggled with this and still refuse to embrace it. But, I guess the look is appropriate for some of my work (haha, work could imply I get paid for it).
I checked out the Microns, they look like nice tools. I mentioned Rapidograph because I had one once, but have since resorted to whatever pen I find in the junkdrawer :]
I might have asked you before, have you ever tried printmaking? It would suit some of your linework but would probably hamper your flow. Much like digital with a slow computer has done to me.
Oh, fyi, this message didn't show up in my notifications. I just noticed it when I came back to admire your work some more :]
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I just lost everything I wrote... here are the cliff notes:
-Hazika- They never saw it... don't know about it really... I do a lot of secret things that will only be discovered when I die... but then they will find every thing else too and the sweet edge will be worn down by fear and repulsion....
-Cartoony... I know what you mean when you say that.... but I don't see it as a problem. You have used it in lighter ways, say, with the tooth paste contest... but with your other work there is usually enough substance to bite on that you avoid superficiality. I always took it in a Jester way.... a sardonic razor slicing into the meat of your subject. a cruel and whimsical way to deconstruct your concept.
-Yep, love printmaking... but my prints relate more to my sculpture than my drawing.... I liked intaglio, wood block and monotypes.... but I don't have a good set up for it .... need to work on that....
-Digital work--- I don't remember how I got there last time but .... you might want to check this out...
stephensomers.deviantart.com
and
www.blogger.com/blogin.g?blogs…
I was friends with Steve in High School.... he is awesome.... I said nicer more specific things last time, but my main reason for suggesting it to you is ... on his blog he has a lot of in process digital work, I thought you might find it interesting.
- That Offermoord collaboration was fun... if you ever feel like taking something like say this dragon and working with it go for it .... just let me know so I can link back. If you do anything with "red" ... take the image from my blog... chobeksbox.blogspot.com it is clearer for some reason.... not sure why...
I better send this before I lose it like last time ...
let me know how you see this.... if you do .... if I don't hear anything in a couple of days I will let you know it is here
My other reply was better....
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I received this one.
I'm a few hours into my next painting and it already looks too cartoony. And I've already de-cartooned it once!
I haven't done any printmaking since high school but I loved it. I was lucky that my teacher was into it and brought in his own equipment for us to use. The school wouldn't have supplied it unless it became a competitive sport 
I checked out Stephen's art, it's pretty nice, especially the stuff on his blog. I see some similarities between our styles, he's got more computer skills for sure. I only found a couple in process works.
Collabs can be fun, I've only done a couple here. I did this, Ossuary Comparison , with MateoGraph . You should check out his gallery, I think you'll like it.
Your dragon seems so complete now, it would have made an interesting "exquisite corpse". But let's try something together soon, I'll take a look through your gallery for a piece to put my graffiti on :]
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- de-cartooned
- My High School was pretty neat actually ... I went to MHSA (Milwaukee High School of the Arts) it was a specialty school so the students were from all over the city.... We he'd no sports.... or shop... so all those resources were available to the arts. I started to like printmaking there but I took a few classes at MIAD as well.... I was a sculpture major...and... I always felt very weak in 2d.... printmaking was a nice bridge for me. Half of my drive in sculpture was this mad scientist -let's see what happens when.... and I got that same buzz with acid baths, dremil tools -- and even some welding... I really enjoyed working with the metal plates. I liked working monochromatically .... but I didn't enjoy doing huge runs...
I wonder what I would be like now.... After working in a factory the runs would be easy.... but I need to start making some money from my work before I buy more equipment.
It is a shame ... I didn't hate the work of my job... but The management .... especially the mid level rung became intolerable .... I wasn't bad at my job.... no one I worked with thought I was .... but the numbers showed I was slow... and management was blinded by stats... I was a little slow... but capable of complexity others weren't I had a lot of experience...I hate bragging .... but they were wrong about me.... they made assumptions. And I was stubborn, I wouldn't fudge my numbers (others advised me to ... because thats what they did) and I hit my breaking point when after 15 years there they bitched at me for low productivity numbers the month my Dad died.... there were so many things piled up ..... and I quit... but I would have been forced out ... I was getting written up for low productivity the day I handed in my 2 weeks .... and I felt like they were fast tracking the stages so they could fire me ... verbal warning ->Write up ->out.... but I broke before they got a chance. I don't miss it but I miss the money.
I will not make that much again...
I have an Etsy shop ....but I am bad at promoting it .... I hate selling stuff actually.... and pricing is a nightmare ... when I do the math I am underpricing stuff.... but when I see it in the shop I feel arrogant expecting so much.
www.etsy.com/shop/ChobeksBazaa…
don't buy anything though .... i wasn't pimping my shit on you ...
I think this is buried enough so i don't worry... but I have avoided putting a link up on DA because I want the freedom to be honest. I know- and understand that when you sell someone something it is bad form to say ..... This really kinda sucks ... so do you want to buy it?
I better figure something out .... I don't want to go back to working for anyone.....
-I like MateoGraph's work a lot .... I check his gallery often....
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Sounds like a cool school, though I would liked to have screwed around with some shop classes too. Wish I had had something like that in my neighborhood (there might have been one in Boston proper, not sure). We had a couple regular high schools, a tech school and a couple private parochials. Oh yeah, we had an agriculture school too. I went to a regular one, might have been the wrong choice, oh well.
I've liked most of my jobs and was pretty good at them. Guess that's why I chose them :] I liked my last job. I got hired as a blacksmith, but hand forged work soon went out of vogue with our clients and was only needed infrequently. So, I became an all-around metal worker. And I do mean all-around, I learned just about every job there. I was sort of being groomed for a managerial position at one point, but I didn't want to be the boss' rat. And the boss realized this. It was a very negative place to work. I liked my boss, but he seemed to encourage malice betwixt and between his employees. So, long story short, the negativity rubbed off on me. I became pessimistic, then apathetic, then started drinking and drugging more than I should have, then stopped showing up for work. The pay wasn't on par with local demographics anyways. But, I certainly do need some kind of paycheck :/ What was your last job? I think you said a machine shop of some sort.
I'd John one of your hos if I had some money ;] I hope those prices are for prints, they seem way too low for the originals. I want to sell some art too but have no idea how to price them. It's not like I can charge for time and materials. Or can I? I don't know, I've seen a few pricing equations and guidelines but don't know how practical they are. One of these days I'll advertise commissions . . . once I figure out how to use my paypal account d: This is my problem,I want to be creatively self employed but don't have the knack for business or self promotion. So I'm screwed. Someone once told me a painting is worth as much as the price tag says it is :] It's a con job really. Someone sees a huge price tag and says, "Ooh, this must be a great artist". This might have worked in a different economic climate, not sure about these days. Blah, blah, blah . . . Have you sold any of your work?
I don't want to go back to work for anyone either, but I don't think that is realistic in my case. I haven't been very realistic in general lately.
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High School was pretty nice as far as school goes... Some people were escaping their local schools... some people were passionate and driven... but everyone pretty much wanted to be there. The Art rooms were in the former shop area .... and the printmaking class was in the home ec. room..... so we got to play with the equipment a bit....
...and then there were the preforming arts .... I guess it was like Fame with drawing....No matter how nice it was, I know I was dying to get out... I guess that can't be helped at that age. I was 17 when I graduated .... met Joe at college next year.... still 17.... so young....
Your jobs sound better than mine ... after college I worked in retail... and then started at the factory.... as far as factories go it was pretty light weight... I ran a laser die cut machine in my last position... Joe still runs a Flexo there. They made labels and safety signs....
Nope those are originals but they aren't framed or anything.... I have no clue if it is a lot or a little... I am so bad at this... I haven't sold anything on Etsy yet .... but I really haven't even tried. I need to promote it ... when I see the # of views it is below 20 on every piece, and I bet half of those views are mine. You can pay to advertise but I will put more stuff up before I do that.
I want to get Etsy or some online thing to work... I am not kidding about the anti social thing. Even if I could,*poof*...., have a show..... I would want to skip the opening....and never go there.... some part of it would be nerves, but part of it would be feeling disgusted with myself.... I start feeling arrogant when I have stuff on the wall.
I have really pulled away from things .... I have gotten worse since I quit. I am just disjointed, I'm not even sure I want to fix that part of me anymore, I just want to find a way to comfortably deal with it.
In October I fritzed out on here ... I just disappeared from DA for a month because I got too many compliments ... and it felt kinda good .....so I felt like it was driving me... I also felt like a fool taking it so seriously when the internet is full of hyperbole... so I am sticking it out and trying to roll with it.
Did you ever see the Thank You Masked man short?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tjWYE…
I felt like the "likes" and llamas on here were like his Thank yous ...
LOL the first time I got a llama I was thrilled...(I still get happy) but then I told Joe excitedly I got a Llama .... and he said "what the fuck's a llama?" ... and I realized I didn't know myself... (I still don't... shhhhhh) They're good though right?
Art is a con.... but people want to be taken.... even without considering value or money or rarity ..... I think there are similarities between artists and illusionists. I know I have employed tricks to manipulate my audiences' emotions. Some really great artists are fantastic at pulling peoples strings.
Going back to work.... I don't have to make that much.... Joe still works.... and I have a buffer, and, that equals time. Hopefully I will figure this shit out before I eat that buffer up.
Do your former jobs affect your art... you said cook/chef and blacksmith right... any sculpture?
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I was 17 when I graduated too, youngest in my class by a few hours. My mom actually shared a hospital room with the second youngest student's mom while they were pregnant. I became friends with the girl in high school. Sounds like a happy school if people wanted to be there. I was offered an escape from mine. I got jumped by a gang in my senior year and the faculty was going to send me to a school in the neighboring town. I declined, trying to be hard. I should have transferred, all my punk rock friends went there :]
Your prices seem too low to me, but what do I know. I guess I'd rather sell a few things cheap to get started than nothing at all. Does Etsy offer print services? Funny, when I first joined dA I actually thought I'd have sold some prints by now. It would be great if I *poof* got a show. I don't like being the center of attention (I've insisted on no birthday parties since I was quite young), but I'm more shy about selling myself than being bought :]
That video is pretty funny. It seems familiar but that might be my delayed deja vu acting up again. It's still nice getting llamas, even if they're worthless. A person has to visit my page to give me one right? Funny that people collect them and have developed schemes to get more. Then again, watches can be useless too. There are plenty of artists who watch me and that I watch with whom (who?) I have no rapport.
Yeah, the jobs I've had influence my art. So does unemployment ;] I worked security at a psychiatric hospital for a few years, that inspired a lot of my art, still does. My culinary jobs promoted creativity and also made me more audience aware. Customers like consistency but also want to change things up a bit with the daily special on occasion. So, I try to change my art up sometimes. I was a baker for years and made a few bread sculptures with the extra dough. People bought them, don't know if they were eaten or shellacked :] I did some artsy stuff at the metal shop, some small paintings, some small sculptures, some iron railings were like sculptures too. I engineered some jigs and what not for certain jobs which also required creativity. Once the smithing work dried up I taught myself the plasmacam (a cutting machine that uses autoCAD). I made a lot of ornate cemetery planters. Geesh, this sounds like a resume. I wish I had taken better advantage of my situation while I was there, and got more into sculpture. But the atmosphere wasn't quite right to feel comfortable doing so. I like sculpture, I like tactile things (despite this digital stuff I'm doing). It's easier than 2D in a way too. You don't have to figure out foreshortening and shading, just look at it from a different angle and shine a light on it :] I thought about posting some of my forgings here, they're really simple, but maybe that could lead to some work.
Hey, you seem to like movies. (Hey, that's something else I'd like to craft!) But, what's a good site to watch free films?
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Ok .... The Kodi thing.... Google it and look at a FAQ to see if you are interested. Kodi itself doesn't have any content.... But you get these addons ..... Joe says you can almost get by with something called exodus....but there are lots of options. It can be tricky to set up..... So I would look up the info rather listening to me on it.
What types of stuff do you like?
Joe and I watch a LOT of movies.... We have been switching off weekends ...... Last week was my weekend, I normally run along a loose theme.... Last week I was into animation..... Two weeks before ... Human nature...... Next weekend I already have plans..... Maybe animation 2 ....
I stared keeping a very loose list.... It is pretty sloppy but I like looking back ......and I will see something different in a movie depending on what else a soak it in.....
Anyway
I should keep better notes if I am going to bother.... But it is what it is.
chobekmovie.blogspot.com/
let me know if you try Kodi.
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Oh, I should have read this before I left my other comment :] I'll check out Exodus too. I just want something clean and simple to watch movies, just search and click. Too much junk on my computer already, don't want a bunch more addons or subscriptions. It would probably be fine if I were more computer savvy.
I've browsed your movie weekend lists before. Lots of good stuff there. I watch lots of movies too, and pay attention to all of their aspects. Hmm, maybe I should be a film critic
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Part 2 ...awake again
...To clarify, when I said the problem with DA is that the views and fav.s and such were coming from other artists ..... what I meant by that is - I imagine artists aren't buying other artists work all that often...... DA seems like more of a meeting ground for like minded people ...... Maybe I am wrong ..... maybe this is exactly where someone goes to find undiscovered talent with a pocket full of money. That would be nice, but honestly for me I kinda feel safer here because I don't anticipate sales..... I said this before, but I am honest here in a way I probably wouldn't be if I were trying to sell.... I have rungs of honesty .... Joe knows everything .... paper journal knows too much, should be burned upon death.... Blog has a few -hidden in plain sight- nasty thoughts and a lot of swearing- drawings I don't like well enough for DA and a deeper more self indulgent honesty about my artwork. Example : I spilled Taco Sauce on one of my black and white pattern drawings so then I had to add color to the party.... on my blog I would have admitted I was a dumb ass and complained about what a slob I was. On DA I might try to pass the addition of color off as spontaneity .... on Etsy the color could be a mark of the pieces uniqueness and a selling point.
.....Saying that makes it seem like I have more control than I do............. I am just like my Dad, at Christmas he might start telling stories about when he was in a prison in Mexico.... or the time he lived in an apartment in California with a bunch of guys, a hooker, and a goat..... Everyone loved his stories... He lacked discretion , and so do I .... honestly I kinda hate discretion ..... it's so civilized........bleck.....
My form of civility is polite silence and warm responses ..... but never ask me a question if you could potentially regret the answer......it isn't intentional on my part , but when I answer questions might say anything.
I led a boring life so I don't have many cool stories about Mexico.... but I do remember once at work getting into a conversation where I started talking about how I thought drugs ...prostitution and polygamy should all be legal .... how the government should stay the fuck out of morality and just service the people they worked for .... blah blah blah .... anyway ..... the person I was talking too looked at me with what looked like teary eyes, and said ..."oooh, you're always so quiet, I didn't know you swore"
i send mixed messages I guess.
-moving on-
LOL punk rock friends!!!! you were cooler than I was in high school! I had eclectic taste even then but --------sigh------------ in High School I took Dokken way too seriously to pretend I was cool.... I guess some of my friend had better sensibilities but ... ???? i was not cool in Highschool.... actually not very cool in general... LOL the other day I was listing to Misfits "Last Caress" when I was in the kitchen cooking -and I fucking Weird ALed it ... I started singing " I've got something to say, I cooked some bacon today" ........fat old lady singing about bacon..... I'm sure that's exactly what they were hoping for when they wrote the song..... ugh.
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will write more about movies later
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Well, part of the reason I offer almost everything as a print is because, as far as I know, that's all the general public (nonmembers) will see when they browse the site. I could be wrong about that. I've found some of my art on blogs, I get more likes there than I do here. So far all but one is linked back to me.
Haha, there was a lot of taco sauce spilt at the metal shop. Always pawned off as intentional or an improvement. It's hard to start over when you're a few grand into a project. That's one thing I love/hate about digital art, it's easy to fix mistakes or make adjustments.
Generally, in person I'm a bit quiet so conversational discretion was never a big problem for me. I don't censor myself so much as I like to think before I speak. But most discourse I find myself in is transient, blabber mouthed dictation. So, within the moment spent choosing my words the conversation has changed topic and my input has become obsolete. I don't hear many real back and forth conversations anymore that follow a general train of thought (aka. discussions). Just people ignoring each other, mentally reciting their next line that they can barely wait their turn to proclaim. Maybe I'm just being a malcontent, it's hard to find like minds these days. Your dad sounds like he was an interesting guy :]
Never got into Dokken, just listened, still not into Dokken :]
Hell, looks like the Misfits have enjoyed a few slices of bacon over the years! www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtQt5_…
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I know people sell prints on Etsy ..... but I am not sure if they go through Etsy or sell prints made elsewhere. You should set up a shop what could it hurt.... there is a fee for posting stuff but it is pretty light .... We can start an Etsy circle .... I can direct all 10 customers your way.
Selling on DA never occurred to me .... I started enabling the print on pieces recently but I kind of don't see why anyone would buy them(also...they could print them for free) .... I might be being a little defeatist on this, but there is no shortage of imagery on line ..... I think even if I were making top tier images I would have difficulty being noticed .... that's kind of why I don't bother trying to guess what an audience would want ... I just make ... and make and make....
I think I could get to a place where I have a nice little trickle of money coming in if I build awareness of my store....but I have to start thinking of this whole thing from a new angle....
I think one of the problems with selling here and on Etsy to a lesser degree is that the views on here -and the likes -and the Llamas are from other artists ....
I am going to go .... I keep falling asleep..... I will be back later .....
Quickly, on the movie thing ... look into KODI .....
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Sad to say, I can't commit to any fees actually.
I doubt anyone will buy anything either for the same reasons, but I make it available just in case. It's the same problem with music, and check me out, looking for free movies too :] I don't mind paying if I can. Actually, I'm probably overly generous by nature.
My audience doesn't affect my art much, except in the case of a few contests. The same would hold true if I had a client of course. I create whatever comes to me, but I'd be lying if I didn't admit to the little bit of sway my peers have over my art now that I'm showing it publicly. In the back of my mind I might think, "Hmm, wonder if Chobek will like this" :]
KODI seems to be more of a player platform, I'm looking for free content. Tried to watch Ex Machina on youtube the other day but couldn't hear it. Even with the volume pumped all the way up, my laptop fan was still louder! And of course, despite cautioning myself, when I gave up and moved on to the next video I nearly cracked my speakers.
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So that's pretty intricate, do you use rapidographs or the ilk?
Hey, you capitalized his name this time. I thought you had intentionally lowercased it to draw contrast to his size :]
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LOL ...you know I did uncapitolize it intentionally..... Then I forgot!
Ink... No I used Sakura Micron .005 ... I love those pens, but I go. Through them fast.... And I have a bunch that I just beat the nib flush on.... Even though my work is tight (usually) and people would assume delicate, I think I put a ton of pressure on things.... That's why I don't use brushes much .... If I do it is usually just to lay down some large bit of fluid or organic mess so I can go back into it with something more rigid...
Ok hang on I am typing on my iPad .... And hate it , I will return.
to be cont.
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