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Published: 2020-03-03 01:05:15 +0000 UTC; Views: 389; Favourites: 28; Downloads: 0
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thanks for bringing back measlesedit 2: I don’t have the energy to argue with people over something so ridiculous so i’m disabling comments lol.
edit: I had to take c*oronavirus out of the title because randos searching the word “c*oronavirus” keep finding this and trying to argue with me lol
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Measles spreading in 1st world nations was brought by migrants from 3rd world nations. The same Measles epidemics still infected the vaccinated, showing that the vaccine doesn't work. Blaming anti-vaxxers for this is a combination of being gullible (you believe the stupid lying mass media) and ignorance of logic (the fact that the vaccinated got the Measles anyway means the vaccine does not protect anyone despite the advertising).
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Yeah, migrating or otherwise traveling between countries is usually the way viruses spread around. Where measles came from is pretty much irrelevant at this point. CORVID-19 was brought to the US by people traveling from China. Great little factoid, but where it came from hardly matters now. All statistics and evidence shows that the invention of the measles vaccine SIGNIFICANTLY decreased the number of infections and fatalities in populations with access to it. There’s also evidence showing that the number of deaths caused by measles increased between 2017 and 2019 directly due to a decrease in immunizations. If the measles vaccine “didn’t work for everyone” there wouldn’t have been any decrease in the prevalence of the disease at all and it would still be killing millions of people annually. The only person being ignorant and stubborn here is you. This has nothing to do with “mass media”, we have decades of research to back up the fact that vaccines are an effective method to reduce the prevalence of and in some cases practically eradicate infectious diseases.
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[ All statistics and evidence shows that the invention of the measles vaccine SIGNIFICANTLY decreased the number of infections and fatalities in populations with access to it. ]
- That't a myth. The Measles vaccine wasn't on the market until long after the Measles had nearly disappeared from 1st world nations.
In the USA, in 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, the death rate was 0.03 deaths per 100,000, a decline of 97.7%, 8 years before the 1st measles shot. The drop in measles cases actually began before the vaccine was licensed.
This is backed also by a peer reviewed scientific study;
“Measles mortality fell prior to the introduction of vaccines or antibiotics.”
www.researchgate.net/publicati…
[There’s also evidence showing that the number of deaths caused by measles increased between 2017 and 2019 directly due to a decrease in immunizations.]
- There isn't. It is only a frequent claim without real substance nor any peer reviewed scientific evidence, popularised in the mainstream media.
[If the measles vaccine “didn’t work for everyone” there wouldn’t have been any decrease in the prevalence of the disease at all and it would still be killing millions of people annually. ]
- That's repetition of the myth, and demonstrates ignorance of the improvements in sanitation, having access to clean water, better nutrition and more food available, soap, hot water, washing machines, better housing, which were really why the Measles nearly entirely disappeared in 1st world nations such as the USA and UK.
[The only person being ignorant and stubborn here is you. ]
- Nice, you insult me instead of citing scientific evidence. I on the other hand can cite quite a lot of peer reviewed science here.
98% vaccinated – and they all got sick with Measles anyway
“An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent.”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/artic…
99% vaccinated – and they all got sick with Measles anyway
“Vaccination coverage for the population was 99%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak. ”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18…
100% vaccinated – and they all got sick with Measles anyway
“The affected high school had 276 students and was in the same building as a junior high school with 135 students. A review of health records in the high school showed that all 411 students had documentation of measles vaccination on or after the first birthday, in accordance with Illinois law.”
Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students – Illinois. MMWR. June 22, 1984 / 33(24);349-51 www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrh…
[we have decades of research to back up the fact that vaccines are an effective method to reduce the prevalence of and in some cases practically eradicate infectious diseases. ]
- No, that's not true at all. Of course you believe that story, but there isn't any peer reviewed scientific studies with randomised double-blind testing, and with control groups of unvaccinated versus vaccinated to show that any vaccines work as advertised. Worse for the claim of "research" is that a court case exposed that that the CDC and HHS and FDA didn't engage in any safety testing, nor effectiveness testing, despite being legally required to do so, for more than 30 years. The HHS tried to claim that they did, but lost the court case.
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Not everything alleged to do something actually does as advertised. Not every government agency is the epitome of angelic truth either.
Vaccine makers can't be sued in the USA. The same law which gave the vaccine-makers absolute immunity from being sued, also required that the CDC and HHS conduct 2-yearly safety testing into the vaccines. That was more than 30 years ago. They never did the safety tests. Not even once. They just lied to the public.
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What I'm worried about is that the coronavirus vaccine flat-out won't work.
Or, rather, it only works as well as the Flu vaccine, in that it works for one specific strain of flu, but the flu mutates and changes so fast it's always back, always immune to last year's vaccine.
Here's hoping the Coronavirus vaccine is more Smallpox and less Flu. Else we might be looking at a situation where it's the yearly COVID-19, not the yearly Flu.
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I agree, I understand why you’re worried. the flu is a totally different beast, though. there are thousands of strains of the flu because it’s just CONSTANTLY mutating despite our best efforts to destroy it. the coronavirus we’re currently facing seems to be identifiable as one specific pathogen, at least for now, which I think makes it more likely a vaccine would be effective against it. healthcare workers specializing in bio defense all across the globe have made it their lives’ work to deal with situations just like this. all we can do ourselves is be patient and do what we can to prevent ourselves and those around us from getting sick.
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Have to correct this.
Influenza is a corona virus.
The Wuhan Flu is also known as 2019-nCov, SARS-CoV-2, and which results in COVID-19 symptoms (all of these stupid letter and number names are thanks to the WHO bureaucrats trying to distract from the fact that it comes from CHINA). Calling it "corona virus" is perhaps another game of distracting people from saying "This dangerous shit came from China!"
There were already 135 different mutated strains by the 20th of February, and there are 153 strains now.
2019-nCoV SARS-CoV-2 virus mutational strainsThis is a link to a potentially useful resource for the Wuhan Flu from China.
https://nextstrain.org/ncov?r=location
There are already quite a big bunch of mutated strains, though the differences between them aren't big.
All samples are still closely related with few mutations relative to a common ancestor, suggesting a shared common ancestor some time in Nov-Dec 2019. This indicates an initial human infection in Nov-Dec 2019 followed by sustained human-to-human transmission leading to sampled infections.As you can also see, although certain national governments are misleading the public in their countries about the community outbreaks, the scientists at the various laboratories are getting samples from places that in some cases don't have any "officially" according to the governments of those countries.
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I am aware of this. It's just that little 'at least for now' that niggles at the back of my head.
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