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I was excited for the Amazing Spiderman movie and decided to make this. Mary Jane > Gwen Stacy IMORelated content
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Good work, it looks semi-comic book like.
I agee though, MJ's a lot better then Gwen. Gwen's personality just changed too much over the years.
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accually not trying to be a troll here but gwen's personality didnt change, the movie version of gwen (not reboot) had more MJ personality (model, rich, great start, etc) Gwen in the comics her personality didnt change, of course maybe sometimes cause everyone has different personalities at different times, i think MJ is equal to Gwen but perfer MJ and Peter which is probaly why they said MJ > Gwen. i actually love gwen and i still see them equal and her death was horrible, well thats my opinion.
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Before I start, the following is a wall of text. I do appologise for this, its a habbit, one shared by many but which I'm still trying to shake off.
Actually, Gwen did changer her personality, quite a bit. Gwen's actually the the poster child for Characterization Shifting. Gwen, when most people remember her, they think 'good girl, honest, pure, perfect girlfriend'. Yeah, that's the general character to Gwen, right? Well, in her first few issues, she was, well, the opposite. She was the stereotypical bitchy popular girl who sleeps around and all that, and her original attraction to Peter was based on the fact Peter didn't spend all his time fawning over her since he was too shy and responsible (que what is my personal favourite line in any comic ever: ''Peter Parker, the only boy who hasn't given me the tumble.''). But, a change of artists lead to a new direction, Gwen shifted into 'good girl with attitude, anger issues, vanity problems, but a good heart' and became his real love interest, MJ was introduced, Gwen shifted to 'good girl period' mode, fans got bored, she got killed, and now we have the way things are. Then, you have Ultimate Gwen (tough punk rocker who doesn't care about what you think and sees Peter as a kid brother), Spectacular Gwen (nerdy childhood friend who can be short tempered but usually nice and polite), Rammi Film Gwen (One dimensional love rival), Webb film Gwen (not sure yet, but looking forward to seeing what she's like). Personally, I do actually like Gwen when she's written consistently, and I tend to like her in adaptations, but she did change a lot.
The film, however, didn't actually incorporate much of MJ's personality into Gwen, she only had MJ's original role: Rival Love Interest. MJ instead had a few of Gwen's second stage characteristics (short temper, sometimes very vein, a little spiteful, and unable to fight off villains), and had the role of the third stage (perfect love interest Peter adores), but lacked any of MJ's characteristics (fun personality, playful banter, quirky mannerisms, deep care for loved ones, etc) other than her hair and origin (even there, they cut out a lot of MJ's backstory -such as her escaping her father's abuse to live with her momand sister, mom dying, sister leaving, and her living with aunt- to turn her from 'Sad Clown with hidden depths' to 'Angsty Woobie'), which lead to MJ in the films being nothing like either of the two. Ironically, Film!MJ is more like Carlie Cooper. Kinda why I hate Film!MJ. Hoping that when she shows up in Webb film universe they'll get her right.
While its true, some characters change personalities at different times. But unlike them, it wasn't a generational thing: With Superman (once upon a time violent, boisterous, with little care for his actions and more mundane powers to mild mannered, polite gentlemen and father figure/big brother who makes it his one rule to never harm anyone, and having lots of powers) or Batman (who was once a violent psychopath, became friend to all children, then became dark creature of the night with a strict moral code) it was because what was considered good characterizing shifted, They were violent when people didn't care about violence, friendly when friendlyness was apreciated, and dark/gloomy during the ninties (excpet Supes, IIRC, he was dead), and now modelled after whichever one was popular for them. With Gwen, it was the just changed their mind on what they wanted to do with her. Originally they wanted her to be the wild girl, then they wanted her to be the Girl Next Door type.
Again, I do think, when they settle on a character, Gwen's quite cool, but I proffer MJ because A) Any personality shift was slow, subtle, was more like character development, and during which the core of her character, the fun girl you'd want to be friends with, was kept in tact, B) Because, unlike the films and the general opinion of her, she's a very fiesty badass when threatened; when she gets kidnapped, she'll usually escape then help Spidey fight the villain, when about to be raped she'll beat the attacker half to death with a cue stick, when Chameleon impersonates Peter and tries to have fun with her she lures him into thinking its working and then beating him with a baseball bat (followed by Aunt May drugging him, not a proud day for Chameleon); and C) MJ's a lot more sympathetic, Gwen's mom and dad died, but she spent a lot of tie visible grieving. MJ's dad was abusive and her family life generally sucked, but instead of angsting about it she bottled it up so others didn't have to deal with it, and I find that more appealing as a character.
Gwen's death, I agree, to some extent. Gwen's death was horrible because what it ultimately was: killing a character to provide drama, made worse by the fact that, as Gwen was a woman, it also holds the negative connotations of the Women In Fridges issues in comics. However, unlike other examples of that, Gwen's death wasn't cheap, it was status quo shaking. Never before had a hero failed quite as bad, and it lead to the stories becoming more complex and deal with more mature issues. It already started with Harry's drug addiction and Capt. Stacy's death, but that moment was what pushed comics from 'childish fantasy' to 'legitimate story telling'. Still, in my fanfic universe, I'm not going to kill of Gwen; she will live happily fulfilling the role of her Ultimate counterpart, being a cool sister type character.
Sorry for the wall of text, and if I came off as being in any way unlikable, I'm just replying in detail.
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wow that alot XD and i dont count the tv shows since its non canon, the really dont feel like typeing anything and like i said its an opinion i have NO problem with gwen and yes she did has some charcater change but thats because she wasnt all thought out in the early issues. some people have a problem with her but i dont and like i said before the couples in spiderman i really could care less about but i still like MJ and Peter the best but feel that the couples arent the only things about spiderman.
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Yeah, the TV shows I see as a gateway rather than something to think about, but some of the TV shows have been pretty good.
I do agree, Gwen is awesome when she was written consistantly. The longest running personality she had, the good girl with some anger issues, that's how I personally see her, the tsundere type. The original one was pretty unlikable, and the perfect girl was just boring (which was the actual reason they killed her off). But, still, I like MJ more
That, is basically my opinion on everything actually. I do find it weird that people do get so obsessive about couples, I mean, there's couples I like or support, and others I dislike on grounds of logic, but the way some people act is just, hard to grasp.
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i agree and yes the fandom on alot of things is like that but yeah i like mj and gwen eaqually but mj with spiderman more.
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Exactly. By no means do I have a problem with Gwen and Peter together, I just feel MJ fits with him better.
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Your discussion got me thinking. For me, the reason i like mj better is because i grew up reading spiderman comics where mj was the primary love interest of spidey. So i never got to see any of the comics were gwen was still alive.
I just saw the new movie. It looks like i like movie gwen more than movie mj. But i think it's probably because i like emma stone more than Kirsten dunst.
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Yes I like movie gwen way better than movie mj idk I just didn't like kirsten's acting in the first spiderman movies and ya I've always thought that mj was his only love
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