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Description LeeTen BR/OTP Month - November 2018

Week 5 (25th – 31st November): Our shared sorrow

Art by the incredibly talented monnemi Β , who drew it for me.


This is how different the ending was for Team 7 and Team Gai... not fair.

(And yeah, it is supposed to be multi-shipping content so the tagging is correct)
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ChaosOmega88 [2018-11-28 20:05:48 +0000 UTC]

Why can't it be the other way around...

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CodeHeaven In reply to ChaosOmega88 [2018-11-29 10:22:18 +0000 UTC]

You mean killing off Sasuke in the end and having Neji resurrected?

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ChaosOmega88 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-30 23:01:23 +0000 UTC]

Yea. let him be the dead one not Neji.

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Trevyler [2018-11-27 08:37:24 +0000 UTC]

I still hate how Neji went out. Not to offend any Hinata fans but I honestly think she should’ve died protecting Naruto. It would’ve actually made something she did meaningful for once and I wouldn’t be nearly as annoyed by her as I am in canon.
Plus I like Neji and I wanted him to live.

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samuraipanda85 In reply to Trevyler [2018-12-31 14:50:31 +0000 UTC]

Amen to that. Then Neji could have used her death as inspiration to unite the Hyuga clan. (Did that happen? I don't keep up with Boruto.)

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Trevyler In reply to samuraipanda85 [2019-01-01 12:02:13 +0000 UTC]

Exactly. It would’ve worked out great. As far as I know the changes to theHyuga clan basically got dropped once NaruHina happened and aren’t even mentioned. I could be wrong though.

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samuraipanda85 In reply to Trevyler [2019-01-02 20:57:05 +0000 UTC]

Oh well. So long as Hinata got that ring and two kids, who cares?

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Trevyler In reply to samuraipanda85 [2019-01-02 22:13:32 +0000 UTC]

That’s basically it right there. Honestly it’s disappointing. As a writer and reader I hate wasted plots.

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samuraipanda85 In reply to Trevyler [2019-01-03 04:06:46 +0000 UTC]

Same. Plus as a narusaku shipper I'm still miffed.

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Trevyler In reply to samuraipanda85 [2019-01-03 07:56:18 +0000 UTC]

Same

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SeaPearl220 [2018-11-26 23:17:38 +0000 UTC]

It really isn't fair that Neji died, especially because of the reason. He deserved better :/

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samuraipanda85 [2018-11-26 17:14:19 +0000 UTC]

At least they have each other.

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CodeHeaven In reply to samuraipanda85 [2018-11-26 18:43:30 +0000 UTC]

True! Also Gai-sensei and Metal

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HeadcanonsMadePublic [2018-11-25 20:08:35 +0000 UTC]

True story...

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Kitty-McGeeky97 [2018-11-25 19:10:02 +0000 UTC]

I still think what happened to Neji was unfair.

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TecuciztecatlOcelotl In reply to Kitty-McGeeky97 [2019-02-13 15:54:21 +0000 UTC]

Your comment is old but I agree.

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GothMegane123 [2018-11-25 13:59:44 +0000 UTC]

If you'd ask me, Team Guy got the short end of the stick during the war. I think Kishimoto didn't know what to do with them.

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CodeHeaven In reply to GothMegane123 [2018-11-25 14:26:02 +0000 UTC]

Agreed. None of their stories got closure except for Neji and we had to wait 'til Konoha Shinden to know something from TenTen (pretty vague if you ask me)

- Rock Lee never grew out his feelings for Sakura (dream world was a really shitty move)

- TenTen's confirmation of legendary status never arrived

- Kakashi vs Gai (the final showdown) is just a fandom dream.

- Nobody knows who Metal Lee's mother is because Kishimoto never properly introduced a new female character in his life. By the time Naruto's wedding took place the only girl he talked to was TenTen (so unless he got a total stranger pregnant by accident in a one-night stand, and was forced to take responsability, it doesn't make any sense for that kid to be Boruto's age)

- The Legendary Ninja Tools are kinda... there but had no importance in the story.

- Maito Gai was given a pitiful closure because it seems only the main character had the right to defeat Madara. Which is stupid because he wasn't even the final villain.

etc...

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Makosharkman In reply to CodeHeaven [2021-06-15 12:40:22 +0000 UTC]

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GothMegane123 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-25 14:47:08 +0000 UTC]

Indeed, Kishimoto has gotten pretty lazy with his character developments. Personally I love Tenten, because she gives style to normality. Honestly I don't want Metal Lee's mother to be her, it would be too predictable and a pathetic attempt at adding closure.

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CodeHeaven In reply to GothMegane123 [2018-11-25 16:30:24 +0000 UTC]

As much as I would enjoy LeeTen being canon, TenTen's character is not the type to marry young and give up on her dreams... like Hinata did, for example. She was totally focused on her career to begin with.

Metal Lee being another woman's child but having TenTen acting as a mother figure/stepmom makes more sense to me, as it gives time for her to accomplish her goal as a single woman and developing her bond with Lee slowly (rushing relationships just gets on my nerves)

Rock Lee suddenly (and conveniently) falling in love with his best friend after Naruto's wedding is too Disney like to make sense.
Also I need another type of family apart from the repetitive nuclear one with people who marry at age 20.

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GothMegane123 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-25 16:44:10 +0000 UTC]

It was pretty sad knowing Itachi almost had a shot at love himself. It's a little cheap when the only Uchiha who actually got a good ending was one of the most controversial ones. I don't really like the message behind Sasusaku (or whatever it's called) it's like a girl has to be a doormat in order to get an accomplished husband, who is an asshole anyway.

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CodeHeaven In reply to GothMegane123 [2018-11-26 11:45:23 +0000 UTC]

The problem is the same as always, Kishimoto is afraid of having the characters working out in their relationships.
Just by stating that Sakura loves Sasuke and that he likes her back is enough for the author to get these two married, yet... wouldn't it have been nicer if they spent more time dating before that?

For example, in chapter 699, Sasuke decides to leave the village after finally coming back. He touches Sakura's forehead and leaves her there until three years later, when they have a two minutes date and gets her pregnant (traveling together only then)
Dammit! how about you have Sakura traveling with Sasuke since 699 instead of having him play the lonely emo? That would mean 3 years of Sasuke actually trying to be worthy of Sakura's love by going through different hardships together.

Then again, why after the 9 months (+1 year because Sarada was learning how to walk in the flashback) they actually spent together you make him leave the village for another 12 years AGAIN?!
Just show us how responsible and caring of a father is, don't add more stupid drama to an already controversial ship. He has spent more time surrounded by trees than with his daughter, what the fuck Kishimoto?

That's why, as much as I want Rock Lee and TenTen to have their bond developed into love with time (years), I wouldn't be surprise her being the mother in the end. Because in Kishimoto's head marriage equals two people liking each other and dating for a few months only (check NaruHina and SaIno)
He totally grew up watching Disney movies XDDDD

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GothMegane123 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-26 11:54:45 +0000 UTC]

Heh yeah, Walt Disney must be suing him for plot theft right now. In fact he could sue alot of people for stealing his ideas these days. But anyway, yeah Sasuke is portrayed as quite an irresponsible dad even Itachi (as we all know is like an iceberg at times) wouldn't as cruel. I mean he formed a little friendship with Kisame, even though they were strictly business partners. Kinda makes your wonder who should've really died during brotherly battle huh?Β 

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CodeHeaven In reply to GothMegane123 [2018-11-26 12:28:37 +0000 UTC]

Well, Sasuke dying during brotherly battle would have made Itachi's sacrifice pointless, so it's obvious Sasuke being the survivor is fundamental for the story.
As a matter of fact, Sasuke is not responsible of Kishimoto's fear of long-term relationships. Take NaruHina as an example, she confessed her love for Naruto and he showed to be caring towards her many times, yet Kishimoto refused to have them both being a thing right after war.

The usual human behaviour would have make Naruto communicate with Hinata in a more serious tone after all the events following Pain's arc and Neji's death, not to mention he was already free of his teenage crush for Sakura (as stated during the fake confession and chapter 699). Hinata had already grown as a character, making her interactions with Naruto easier. Everybody would have understood these two giving themselves a try as a couple after the funeral, but...

Well, we all know the answer: The Last
Naruto and Hinata returned to step 1 right after chapter 699. Her being an ultra shy stereotype and him being a retard who doesn't understand what "I love you" means. So the plot really wants me to believe that a freaking magical lake AMV broadcaster and a kidnaping are necessary for the main character of this story to get laid.
Wow, just wow. Neji played cupid for nothing XD

And of course, even though they hadn't make a move on each other for two years, some months are enough for these two to get married.
See what the problem is? The Last would have be perfect if instead of being Naruto understanding Hinata's feelings (SHE LITERALLY TOLD YOU, IMBECILE), the romantic plot would have focused on Naruto's and Hinata's roles being reversed for once: Naruto worried about how to move to the next step with his girlfriend (because he had grown up without an example of a healthy marriage as role models) and Hinata being unable to understand what's going on through Naruto's head.

That's the movie I wanted! But, again, Kishimoto is scared of long-term relationships in his manga, and that's why he forces the status quo until marriage.
Only MinaKushi and YahiKonan escape from this troupe.

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GothMegane123 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-26 12:43:15 +0000 UTC]

True, you could say this is Kishimoto's way of showing his own personal love life. I mean by the looks of things, he prefers the girl to ask the guy. Women in power are either elegant mistresses (Mei Terumi & eventually Kurotsuchi) or big breasted, short-tempered grannies (Tsunade) lol. YahiKonan was fairly balanced, he's a bold leader she's a loyal partner that can work, Karin was just another Sasuke Fan-girl but with a bigger back story. Not saying Kishimoto is sexist, I just hate seeing characters with glasses portrayed losers (I wear a pair myself.)

I suppose Kabuto is an exception, he did do some significant stuff without Orochimaru. But their was still the questions about his character like, who was his parents? and where did he come from?

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CodeHeaven In reply to GothMegane123 [2018-11-26 13:04:15 +0000 UTC]

Women being emotional I guess, yet we had good examples of guys interested in love (Chouji and Jiraiya), of them taking the lead in relationships (MinaKushi) and another in which both the man and the woman have a mutual crush at the same time (KibaTama and YahiKonan). So he can actually write couples in which the male character is not a total retard, but, as you said, he takes his self-inserting and own embarrasment over romance way too far with the main characters.

And no, being a shonen writer is not an excuse. Togashi (Yu Yu Hakusho) had his hero in a relationship with the stereotypical childhood friend since the very start of the series; and nobody complained.

About the glasses thingy, I guess he has realized this and that's why he is making Sarada the next hokage (if she ends up being shadowed by Boruto, I'll riot). I'm a huge SuiKarin fan either way, so I'm hoping for these two to be a thing in the future.

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GothMegane123 In reply to CodeHeaven [2018-11-26 13:25:13 +0000 UTC]

Karin and Suigetsu? I think that'll be both ironic and hilarious to see. It'll be like a Communist dating a Democrat, but I see your point. I guess you could say he made Sarada to also counter the dominant "Sausage-fest" of Uchiha, especially in the Sharingan department. In a way, I sympathize with Madara myself...I never had any close friends and the ones who came close ended up betraying me anyway, maybe if I saw them again, who knows? Maybe I would seek some sort of revenge. Not destroying a country kind but something meaningful still.

Yeah, you can't trust everyone even people who claim to be "Friends". Too many backstabbers and temptations to break relationships these days. *shrugs* Well I guess that's life isn't it? Soo many options and soo little time to experience them all.

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