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Submission for 's Hellsing fanart contest.*full-view pls*
Alas~ finally I finish this one. Initially an experiment on my new style of painting. I tried to paint characters with heavy lighting effect. It is still not so good but I'm rather satisfied with the overall outcome
The idea behind this pic is Seras being forced into the Hellsing world rather out of her consent. I consider her a life-like doll or "mannequin" to her sire, Alucard. Pretty sad for her but she made a cute dolly anyway My pc is running out of RAM. It keeps shutting my programme. What a heck!?! The compression really kills my pic T__T Grrrr....
Medium : Photoshop 7.0
edited : minor change in picture and title...
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I love this one- It is quite real. I mean. I always had a filling that Seras is a kind of puppet.
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hey i realized something if you give her blue eyes and hand her a drawing book, she look like Namine from kh2 ^_^
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O_O I 
*-* Another 
And, Probably a devwatch. x3
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Wow, that's beautiful! I love how you colored the clothing and sheets for some reason. It's rather multicolored...very pretty work! She's beautiful!
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mm u cant see Alu's eyes...lol XD anyway i think its a kool pic
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Nice and original style I like it a lot...nice colors...like vamps don't U?
see ya...visit me please
:sadangel
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I prefer the manga to the anime of Hellsing. Mostly because of the lengthened plot, increase in violence and, of course, the increase and further analysis, of the characters. However, I would be lying if I were to say that the art is pleasing to look at. Hellsing’s art has its advantages, although I have never much cared for the “comical” version of the art that will arise from the pages every once and a while. There is of course Pip to consider, and his involvement along the manga’s tale. One must also be take into account the relationships of the various characters. I love Pip, don’t anyone get me wrong…
(although every time I see his name I can’t help but think of Great Expectations, and every time I do that I curse Charles Dickens. This normally leads to about three hours of curing and swearing about the necessity of words and the ability for some to go on and on. Thus I become completely distracted and forget where I was within the manga and why Charles Dickens found his way into my mind yet again. As has occurred right here, rather than delete any of this I will allow it to remain as the proof of what Pip’s name does to me.)
…but there is always something so dreadfully appealing about the AlucardxSeras relationship. Firstly, it should be dully noted that a vampire fledgling is sort of the child of their sire… which unnerves me to think about, thus I never do. Regardless of that, I fear this review has gone on far enough without being an actually review.
Your art style is very interesting, I enjoy it immensely. The color captures a very somber mood with just goes actually perfect with the forlorn expression Seras has upon her face. Alucard doesn’t seem to happy either… but I like that, it’s a beautiful image and I applaud you for creating it. Sorry for rambling so horribly on you, couldn’t help it, that word “Pip” just sets me off.
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Thank you for your precious comment and sorry for late reply. Yep, I also prefer the manga Hellsing to its anime. This happens to most manga-based anime. But the upcoming OVA is very promising as it follows the manga plotline. Let alone the superb art that it might outdo the original of Hirano's^ ^.
You're not the only one having Dicken's Great Expectations popped into your head everytime the name Pip is seen ^^. I dunno whether Hirano chose to name his character after Dicken's Pip or is it just a sudden convenient choice he got right before he handed the script to his editor 
About AxS relationship, I am pretty open to both ends whether they are lovers or father/daughter. For me, I focus on their relationship in the push-and-pull sense. IMO, Seras is scare of her master's monstrosity yet she clings to him. (I don't think she'll leave once she becomes a full-fledged vampire. She's more like a lonely soul seeking for a family she could belong to. And Alucard as well as Hellsing is her family now.) And Alucard, no matter how ruthlessly he shows of his disappointment in her weakness, he still cares for his child in his own twisted way. I always believe there is a reason behind him choosing her. Until Hirano clearly speaks it out in the manga, we still have our liberty to fancy on and on, ne?
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Oh yes, that's the buty of being a fan, our imaginations can take just about wherever we want the story to go. That is, of course, until the authors complete the tale and all of us are left staring at the tv, or at the next volume of a manga either swearing or giggling like the little fangirl/boy we all are.
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I added it to my favorites. It is just so beautiful. I was gonna add something else, but everyone else beat me to it. It's absolutely gorgeous!
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The piece is gorgeous, I had to favorite it. I interpreted the look as vacant, because of the wide-eyed doll attributes you've given her. Maybe Alucard did finally drive her insane, but the hand holding seems very affectionate. How I imagine the relationship, he treats her like a doll, an object for his amusement, but he does love his dolly like any child loves their favorite toy. When I write them I try to write them that way. It isn't a healthy relationship in a traditional sense but when is vampirism considered natural? Alucard isn't what I would consider stable so his relationships are likely to reflect his complicated personality. Very good work here!
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Thanxx for the 
The dolly Seras looks broken. Maybe it's because of the way he treats her. Yet he is all she holds on to. Rather twisted but I do enjoy their relationship this way.
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A friend linked me this. Wow, marvelous. I faved it. Her expression, her position are soooo perfect. That’s the broken look of a half insane Seras I picture if they were into a relationship (which is what attracts me). I used to fancy a lot the ‘Alucard shaping Seras’ outlook but Hundred Swords arc rained the parade about Manga Alucard’s standards. This is exactly what stands out my mind of how I consider AxS. <3
The shadding is perfect as well.
As for Alucard never taking Integral, uh, why is that necessary? He thinks humans are superior anyway (he's *ashamed* to give up his humanity in Hundred Swords 4, in fact). Also the dream/human enemy play he’s living since he was around made me really hard to think Alucard/anyone else but his dream in a relationship (that and the fact Hirano is cornering Integral, so she may become a vampire by the end – unless Alucard dies, which is also a possibility).
I don’t think Seras has Electra in the Manga, she’s not attracted sexually to Alucard nor jealous of Integral (while I could argue Anime Seras does have Electra Complex), which is necessary for that complex. It’s all platonic –canon- wise (now fanon wise, you can play with it 
Do you have the OVA trailer and clean screenshoots? The designs respect Hirano’s vision like delicate and feminine!Integral, half butch/half eye candy!Seras, handsome yet creepy!Alucard. Piiiiiiip. There is even a glimpse of Girlycard and Young Walter. <3333
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Welcome again Thess. And thank you for your wonderful remark and the fav!!
First of all, my resource of Hellsing manga is limited at vol.4 (blame on my local publisher :-P). I got a glimpse of raw/English scanlation till vol.7 (may god bless those luvly scanlator teams 
My talking about Alucard turning Integra doesn't mean that he wants to turn her into a kind like him. It's true that Alucard deems humans are superior (even to a monster like him). But I also sense he secretly (or is it became overtly now?) longs for her (i.e., calling her Countess). For a person who cares lots about one's free-will like Alucard, he could never force her into his no matter how badly he wants her. << That's what I intended to say. And about the prospect of Integra's being turned, IMO Integra represents Hellsing, the sacred organization that is bound to save human kind from the impure souls. So I don't think she, of all the characters in the Hellsing series, should likely be turned into a non-human. I doubt the motif of Hirano Kouta to corner Integra into that. But if it's true, Hellsing wouldn't be Hellsing anymore.
Concerning Seras, my terms of Electra complex doesn't mean sexual impulse at the opposite end. I think my terms applies for mild tending and attention paying like those fatherly pats she got from him. I got your point that Seras didn't felt jealous of Integra. On the contrary, she adores Integra maybe as her sister figure. Alucard/Seras relationship is platonic, as you said, in the manga. And that's why I love to put a little romance in them just for my fandom's sake
I've seen only a camcorder file of the OVA trailer. Tho not a decent shot and gotto look pass those people's heads blocking the screen, I got a glimpse of how marvelous the artwork is. All I did was replay the file again and again. God... can't wait till the release of the original OVA. I could trade anything just to see Girlycard and Young Walter
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Btw, Electra Complex implies deviance and sexual impulse and urges to kill/be jealous/replace your mother because you long for your father's eh-penis.
Seras, manga wise, has a healthy daughter role so far, her LI is the opposite to her father (Pip), so that means her ideal man wouldn't be like Alucard at all (sometimes people with EC search their romantic partners that remember them to their parents - Seras sought someone opposite, refutating any possibility of it). Her tie with Alucard is completely *platonic* No more sexual than the tie I share with my father, that means: none. Ditto for Alucard, she's like the only female he hasn't displayed *any* sexuality (heck, the clerk of the hotel in Brazil shared more UST with him). It's because that's his full child. Speaking of canon, obviously.
AU/fanart/fanon is okay, but I am telling you the canon so far.
If Seras has a crush on the Manga, it's with 'mummy' Integral, both did share the blood licking scene which is ambigous (could be taken as a mother feeding her bratty child though). She and Pip share more traits in common after all.
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Woot!! Million thanx Thess. Can't wait to see the trailer. 
Jeeshh... seems like I truly did lag behind the story. T^T
Oh dear, pray Hirano would drop the reincarnation subplot. That would make the series all too sappy. I mean, well, adding in the Dracula allegory since the sailing back to London to claim "his woman", be it Integra/Mina or even Ilona, is nice but relying on the reincarnation plot is another thing. At this point onward, the readers must have already expected the storyline to follow the legendary Dracula's Tale more or less. IMO, it would mar the freshness of the story if it goes that way. [An example of sappy reincarnation plot occurs to Chrno Crusade anime in which Rosette appears to be a reincarnation of the holy Mary Magdalena who was Chrno's ex. Not that I don't like her, but it's all too easy a plot]. I think so far Hirano has made Hellsing series well enough to not need to retread the old popular path. Still have faith in you, Hirano sensei...
I'm not sure about the ending as long as I'm limited with the resource at hand. But don't you think if it ends with Alucard (Dracula)'s death, the whole "Lord Dracula the Immortal Vampire" legend might end?? To me, Dracula IS immortal. He got a mystery about him that keeps him going from ages to ages. IMO, I prefer him to survive the battle and live on and on till no one knows how long. Integra's death is likewise. She bares the legendary Hellsing name. It's not matter that later on she lives long enough to beget an heir or not, it's too far a future. Her survival from this deadly battle against the Millennium stands for the victory of human kind. It'd be quite gloomy to have everyone dead. Yes, a la Saint Seiya. << That's my two cents from a not-so-up-to-dated Hellsing fan
Alucard/Seras relationship in manga is platonic, yes, no doubt. It is settled with the entrance of Pip into Seras's life. Maybe the platonic relationship between A/S might suit in the canon context. It has nothing to do with sex. They just share some mutual bonds that no one can replace.
It's been so nice having such a long discussion with ya!!
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Btw, I forgot. It's implied Alucard *can* die if his minions are all destroyed, he will fall if he's killed.
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I think Seras chose Alucard, not Alucard chose her (to reborn as daughter). Since he did say it was her choice and he hardly lies in this matter. As I said before, he gave everything to Integral, but he couldn't give her a child.
I am sure if he pulls the reincarnation stuff, Hirano will do something that makes sense (hopefully). I wouldn't be so paranoid if wasn't so bloody popular already and is *everywhere* Plus for Japanese is normal, for their religion.
I am fearing and bracing myself for Anderson's death. Hope he lives but doubtful. >.<
You have a problem? 
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Gotto see what Hirano plans for the ending. I also hope he can draw the curtain most gracefully. You know, it usually occurs that some serialized manga were simply and brutally cut short when they got low rating or negative feedback. That has happened to Jump's Shaman King, despite all the big hit it got from debut. An utter shock for SK fans worldwide. I guess Hellsing in Japan is popular enough (it got a TV series, a new OVA, plus English copyrighted licence) that the editors of YKO would spare Hirano some precious time to finish his series properly.
I'm using my office pc to d/l the trailer. *gotto keep an eye on the boss* Following is the msg I got :-
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No pop-up windows indicating that the file is being transferred so far. Everything is soooo quiet. Does it mean that I'm downloading it or not? I'm so desperate to see it ;_;
PS I set up a kiriban challenge. Pls feel free to join. I got a special Hellsing illust for the winner
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Uhmm, how strange. I'll upload it again in another sender. Don't worry, I'll link you tonight.
Hellsing will have only 10 volumes (not counting The Dawn) and volume 8 will be complete for next week, so I doubt will have the same problem. I am bracing myself because I know Anderson will die. ;_;
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Thess dear... I finally downloaded the trailer. Gotto play trick with the server by changing the proxy id 
OMG!!! It's MARVELOUS. I'm in AWE staring at the screen and kept squealing. @___@ kyaa... The production has followed 100% to Hirano's style. COOL!! 35 mins is too short but I bet it got all the cream. My life in the next 3 months will not be in peace ... until the release of the blessed OVA!!
I also pray Hirano got all to his fullest. The OVA is a solid proof of the popularity of Hellsing. ///>____
PS May I post your screenshots pic in my local comic-related webboard? Tho few but there're still some Hellsing fans out there in Thailand who are suffering from the limited resource. Sure, I'll give you full credit. Anyway, your consent is my priority.
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Sure, post whatever you want. I found it in a japanese page (the screenshoots) but lost the url. Was before I watched the trailer.
OVA isn't short, 35 minutes per episode. Not only 35 minutes. They will be two episodes for each manga volume. And maybe Dawn will get adapted as well. *grins*
Anytime, my pleasure to spread Hellsing love!
I know! the artwork is woah. The beginning is very powerful with WWII, the forest of the Impaled and Dracula kneeling to Integral ('rogue' vampire my ass, 'whipped' vampire suits him). I was in awe for a while.
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Thank you. A big happy news for Thai Hellsing fans.
This OVA project is amazing. That means there'll be almost 20 episodes (count to 10 vol.). The studio must have a large budget. If they could keep the quality consistent throughout the episodes, that would be super wonderful. >___<
I also wish for The Dawn. Desperately need to see young Walter kicking ass!!
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Indeed, two episodes per disc and more than 20 if they decide to do fillers (maybe some Dawn/Crossfire one or some Wild Geese/Seras bonding one, the Producer is a big Pip fanboy who ships PxS liek woah he confess being a fan in Anime Expo, I am counting in more romantic subtext).
Can't wait either.
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I'd bribe them to do those fillers esp. the Dawn and PxS.
Talking about Anime Expo, seems like it's a big event for comic lovers in USA. Here in Bangkok, Thailand, we also got comic and anime events but still in small circles with around 1000 ppl attending. Tho small in terms of scale and no Japanese artists interview panel, the highlight of the events focuses on doujinshi selling and cosplaying of the energetic fanboys/girls. Many talented Thai doujinshi artists are DA members. If you're interested in other mainstream shonen manga like Deathnote, Naruto, Bleach, D.Gray Man etc. (esp. yayoi genre). You can browse my fav lists to their wonderful galleries. I highly recommend ^ ^
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Well, Pip has that cute white jacket of Rio, he and Alucard were dressed to kill (Seras was not, alas *shakes head*) in the holiday.
I do browse your favorites. They look superb. <3
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I know Alucard longs for her (heck, he’s killing everyone for her. Not because of his own thrill, he said it blatantly in volume 3. He’s her weapon, her knight), she’s the Mina figure so he’ll try to turn her in the end (it’s not random Hirano made the last Hellsing a gorgeous, virgin female). My point is, she doesn’t need to be a vampire to establish a relationship with him. Alucard worships her (she makes him a better person overall, and he makes her a worst one, both have such dependence), he’ll accept what goes (obviously would try to keep her as long he must).
Oh and Alucard’s ‘free will’ is relative. He would have left Seras die if she didn’t accept. Some choice. Novel wise, we don’t know in Hellsing, Dracula forced Mina to either suffocate or drink his blood. If Integral were dying by the end, that would be her choice, live or die. Sorry but cannot picture Integral choosing death (foreshadowed by volume 1 where she didn’t want to die).
I am fearing Hirano is going for reincarnation subplot, not just because Integral-Alucard share a tie that blatantly similar to Countess Ilona-Vlad Dracula (ten years ‘married,’ she freed him from incarceration of a relative, gave him power and tamed his ways in order to focus on the invaders of their lands – scary, how history goes in cycle? The “Countess” title and name starting with a I doesn’t help either, and the fact, Castlevania’s Lisa –whose real name is Ilona Elisabeth- looks like Integral without glasses and less dark skin –wince- And he loves video games and that one came out just before Hellsing) but because he implies he went to London for Mina (before he knew about her? How that works? WTH) and in the list of vampire hunters Hirano puts Jack Seward (like Coppola’s film) instead of John Seward (like in the original novel).
God, I hope I am wrong. I love Ilona, Mina and Integral but don’t want them as one. It IS suspicious he took /4 centuries/ to move on (what a sap) until Mina. Resemblance with traits (physical or mental) I am fine, Mina, Ilona and Integral share common ties (strong women that give him power) but not reincarnation. Currently writing a dark story about that (including Integral going half bonkers and her soul degeneration for what Alucard did to Ilona’s soul to preserve it) as catharsis just in case Hirano goes in a sappy path. Also, Hirano is very fond of employing popular archetypes in the genre, Hellsing is filled with them. One of the most popular twists is this reincarnation of wife/beloved sapfest. >.<
Eh, if Hirano aims to that, I hope he can pull it off. I have faith in him but that’s not my favorite romantic plot. At all.
As for Integral-Seras, outside my own hopeful shippy take (because I love that couple and I am sad to admit this), Hirano it seems to aim for mother/daughter. Makes sense, Alucard gave everything to Integral and she kept her virginity for some reason (and doesn’t even befriend people with pulse of her age. Her duty would allow her, Arthur had friends and slept with hookers in the middle of WWII after all. It strikes me Integral just wants her knight), everything except a child – enter Seras, the orphan seeking a family, wanted to follow her father’s footsteps and remorseful for her mother dying for her fault in a way. She’s also very immature and innocent, that’s the perfect child (as opposed to bride or to lover), someone who would want to please/follow your example and be overprotective with your ‘wife’ when you aren’t home to take care of her.
This is my current –main- take of the Manga so far. Integral has no interest in continuing her bloodline, unlike Arthur and unlike Abraham, she cut her ties with humans (Penwood’s death and Walter’s transformation seemly did the final trick), however she’s related to Seras and Alucard – they have her blood in their veins.
Hellsing members (listed by Hirano in Wizardry III) are three (Wild Geese weren’t count it seems). All she has truly left are vampires. And after the war, she has no enemies left (Integral’s wording to Alucard was to destroy every enemy in the Island). What threats are there for her to protect? Uh?
Alucard’s free, her family won knighthood for sealing him. He’s free now and you bet he won’t obey her child. What’s the only way to assure his loyalty and that he won’t go rampage against everyone?
Be with him. Ultimate ‘sacrifice’ for her duty (we know she won’t destroy him, Integral considers Alucard her knight not her enemy in the Manga).
Hirano cornered Integral already. Unless Alucard dies or she dies (last one is unlikely), she has no way to escape this. And seeing how volume 8!Integral is, I think she’ll want it. Manga Integral was never religious, she never prayed, never pay attention to those teachings, she treats religion like some customary, IMO, to protect like all British traditions. So there is no religious problem.
Plus, Hellsing is twisting all Dracula archetypes endings. Hence why the big breasted vampire teen wasn’t killed by her Boyfriend (Pip saved Seras) or by the Old, Catholic Hunter (Anderson doesn’t show interest to stab her any longer). The other two is Dracula dies and never gets his LI, who marries lame boyfriend (which Integral doesn’t have) to have a family.
There won’t be more Hellsing, no future storylines, Hirano confirmed that the story will end with volume 10.
Of course, maybe Alucard will just die. Or everyone will a la Saint Seiya. I am pretty sure this is Alucard’s last chance to be happy or the time for him to be killed, other endings are anticlimactic. Number ‘three’ is magic and significative when you write. Leaving ambiguous ending would be just lazy when you know you aren’t going to continue.
I uploaded the trailer (good quality) and the screen shoots of it
[link] (my lj, those are the pics).
[link] (Long, high quality Trailer).
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Dear HEAVENS!!!
I cannot even come to DA and not come across Thess and her TL;DR!!!
Whatever... your artwork is great ComicHub, keep up. ^^ I'm watching you.
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SWEET! This is Lady Blackmour from the AxS list. This is awesome. I suppose it's not overtly romantic in nature...but *something* is going on here...I think that's a bed he's sitting on...and that's a pretty brief dress there...
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woohoo~ welcome to my humble hellsing shrine. you gals from AxS list is more than welcome here.
umm... your comment really point out something i hadn't think of before. my initial inspiration is poor Seras being caged in the control of her master like a puppet sort of thing. despite her frustration, she can't help but obey and depend solely on him. my farthest romantic imagination in this pic is ... she might not know that he too cares for her and despite his harsh maltreatment, he secretly wishes to mold her into perfection as his masterpiece. << that's what first come up in me. i'm glad you've pointed out those *something* you've noticed in this pic.
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You know, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. Many times when I am writing, the characters will do things that surprise me. Characters have a way of speaking for themselves, and sometimes we just have to sit back and watch. They will tell you what they want and what they are gonna do. And sometimes even when you've planned it differently.
I dunno. I think Seras idolizes her Master, and you can really see it in this picture. The look she's giving the viewer is one of...sort of a wistful content. Like, she doesn't know how much he cares for her, but she's glad he's with her nonetheless. It's what I love about their relationship. She softens him just as he strengthens her, and she looks up to him in a way that is not based on his power so much as simply his existence. He's almost all she has left, and she'll always be loyal to him, at least as far as I can tell. That's why I'm a fan of the pairing, I think. And I think you captured it wonderfully. ^_^
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It's true that sometimes characters just surprise us. I believe it happens so with many authors. Hail to the power of imagination
I agree with you that Seras idolizes her master. Judged from her orphanage background, we can say that Hellsing became her family since the day she was turned. And her longing for a father figure is perfectly fit for Alucard's role (tho not a good caring father in that sense but he provided her with protection anyway). As the manga goes on, I'm inclined to think of their relationship as a father/daughter. We still doubt the reason Alucard chose her to be his child. Maybe he has a plan to make her a perfect weapon or a perfect bride or even it's just a simple whim of a lunatic. But one thing for sure is the one person Seras wants to be accepted is Alucard. I dunno maybe this is an Electra complex. IMO, in the end (if Hirano Kouta decides to end Hellsing this way) Alucard could never take Integra (she wouldn't yield to him no matter what and he could never force her) and the only one he left is Seras who will be willing to walk the immortal path with him. Well, this is going to spin off topic from my pic. Sorry for the long rant. But that's what I deem for this couple. A bit sad but that's why I love this pairing so much
I really appreciate exchanging view with you
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Well, I haven't read the manga much at all, pretty much just the first volume, and then I stopped because personally I enjoyed the anime characterizations best. ^_^ Just a personal preference of mine. So, pretty much all my opinions are based on the anime. In the anime, I don't get the impression she looks up to him like a father figure...I dunno, the way she acts towards him progresses more towards idol worship, IMO, sort of like a high school girl with a crush on her much older English teacher.
No problem, I love chatting about stuff like this when people are willing to listen to different ideas! ^_^
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My first intro to Hellsing is from anime too. Since then I rushed to the bookstore and grabbed all 4 volumes (in Thailand the Hellsing manga has been released just 4 vol. before it mysteriously got suspended!! T^T). I may say my first impression for AxS motif came from the anime which is later on enhanced by the manga (at least I believe I sense it so). I can't say I prefer manga Seras over anime Seras since the more I became addicted to Hellsing (particularly this Police Girl who is my fav character) I kindof fuse both version into one. Sounds crazy but it did happen to me
To me, Seras did hold something important to Alucard. Tho it's not the iron-will virtue comparing to Integra, Seras's enduring innocence is the one virtue I believe Alucard saw in her which maybe it's the reason he chose her in the first place. ^ ^
It's so nice discussing with ya!!
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I actually picked up the first volume in the store and gave it a look. When I saw how Seras' death was handled, I put it down and haven't read since! I was really upset with the way he was just like, "Hey, are you a virgin? 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
It's really interesting you should say that about the manga! I know that most of the people out there who think AxS has no basis are those who read the manga more than watch the anime. Like I said, I haven't read it, so I can't really form an opinion. But I tend to get so attached to certain pairings that I'd probably see it in the manga as well, even if it was only because I wanted too. 
I agree. Integra doesn't really encourage any growth in Alucard...at least, not anymore. I think maybe when she was a child she did, but that was when she needed him on an emotional level as well as for business. Now that she is emotionally independent, what is between them is mostly business and respect, with perhaps a little friendship...however much Alucard can have "human friendship"!
BTW, Seras is my favourite character too. ^_^ That's why I'm glad they decided to make it her story in the anime.
Sorry to butt in but I laughed a lot about your reaction ‘cause I had first contact with Hellsing in that chapter in Japanese and wasn’t impressed (it’s ironic, while some fans thought Integral in the Anime was a man for a while, I confused Seras for a young boy when I spotted that chapter). First chapter isn’t the best, honest! I think Hirano was just going for something quick and somehow he got his wish to continue the series and went into serious development.
The thing is, Hellsing is playing and joking around with Dracula novel and spin offs archetypes. Studio Gonzo didn’t get this, it’s not necessarily bad because they gave us another product (one that presents archetypical things rather than original twist in the archetype).
Big breasted, teen blonde girl turned randomly in the first meeting with the Count is one of the big ones. She’s normally slutty and ended up killed by her boyfriend or the Catholic, Aged Hunter. Seras is the opposite to them in the Manga: she’s VERY against anything sexual (being the witness of her mother’s corpse rape as a child, that traumatized her) and she is eventually saved and recognized as a Good Girl (instead of impure) for her Love Interest (Pip Bernadotte). I applaud Hirano for twisting the good old archetype. Even Anderson doesn’t look forward killing her after their initial meeting (Anderson is VERY complex in the Manga, he even turns down Maxwell to aid and save Integral, runs an orphanage, etc. He’s a caring guy, who won Alucard’s deep respect even if he’s his rival, Anime screwed him).
I can see why many caught some AxS hints in the Anime (for Seras’ admiration to Alucard), I like the pair myself (specially the art, I like the couple fanart as sparse as it is) even if I prefer Alucard/Integral and Walter/Seras there (TeaRoses stories won me over the pairing). Ironically, I liked their romantic couple idea better in the Manga even if neither show any particular fondness for the other until recently (which was a pat on Seras’ head, like you do with a child) but I enjoyed that dark possibility, Seras was terrified of him for some reason and he did shoot her before knowing her answer (he would have left her die if she didn’t accept), so until recently whatever take was going to be very dark <33. But yeah, changed my mind after volume 8, father/daughter was nearly spelled out unless Kouta Hirano changed it (which is doubtful). L
Going to disagree with something here:
“Integra doesn't really encourage any growth in Alucard...at least, not anymore.”
Integral, Anime wise speaking, was the *only* being Alucard was willing to leave a battle (with Incognito no less!) for, that’s a lot of growing. Yes, he did the macho thing about battle was the only thing that mattered but he couldn’t talk the talk when he was about to lose her (and after that he was even more protective). When Seras was badly hurt, he shrugged off and kept fighting, he was angry but never in the degree that when Integral was (the shocked face, the utter enraged question). Alucard seeks challenges in everything, he needs someone who kept him from boredom, Integral is his greatest challenge.
Alucard doesn’t need someone emotionally dependant, he’ll be absolutely bored with that (notice he didn’t talk to Seras until Integral ordered him to train her well in episode 2, he was nowhere around her before. Or offer her the blood until Integral scowled her for being weak and stabbed his pride about creating something that was a disability – Did you notice a neglectful attitude?). That’s why he seeks Integral’s company, because she’s independent like he is, she’s fun and challenges his wit – that backfired at times but they enjoy banter. The same reason applies why he seeks strong enemies, the weaker and dependant of ghouls, would be boring to take care off. He has those high standards.
While always seeking AxS stories, I tend to look for ones in which with development try to show Seras as more fit than Integral as challenge which is really hard because there were so many clues in the Anime, Integral is like a female version of his mortal self (even ended up betrayed by ‘boyars’ and incarcerate by a King/Queen!). What is more challenging than someone so similar and equal? Of course, Seras can grow and (if Integral didn’t turn in the end, which I think she did – not because of Alucard romance but because she had nothing left, not even family honor to be proud of. That was destroyed by the press) will become next interesting item after Integral dies.
Or he can have both. *shrug* This is Dracula, he wasn’t exactly known for monogamy (well, he is in the Manga canon unfortunately but not in the Anime). So instead of three ‘Brides’ he can have two. Everyone is happy.
Obviously, Manga Alucard is totally opposite than Anime Alucard. But won’t rant about him now. Let’s say, he’s more mature, touched by loss (of romance no less!), jaded and (despite acting as a monster with the enemy) putting his people over battles. He never condescends humans (while he considers most mortals dogs, the humans are superior to him and he admits it always) and is utterly, completely owned by Integral unless he’s telling her how aroused he is by her orders by the phone. For real. He’s not subtle at all. But ironically, I liked AxS in the Manga more than AxI until recently when I re-read the comics and managed to totally unrelated Anime and Manga. Ah well, if we don’t have that father/daughter stuff, we’ll still have AxIxS (since Integral is VERY fond of Seras. Yes, again I don’t know what Studio Gonzo smoked to utterly destroy their relationship. Both women rely in each others constantly, Integral finger-fed Seras!).
My opinions change constantly, so I can shift mindsets pretty often. I am more into fanon couples that will never have chance like SerasxIntegral and IntegralxAnderson unless is canonical PipxSeras but that’s because I am sappy at heart and I still have to find a romantic scene in any Manga that makes me cry harder than how Pip die for Seras and her soul crushing reaction.
“She’s a sweet girl. Dying to protect a sweet girl like her… is fine with me.” – Pip’s last thoughts. Heart met mouth, cried for days. God, I am so pathetic. Pip’s my man.
I gleefully show those scenes to any fanboy who goes all sexist that Hellsing has no romance that’s a chick thing. I hate when that happens, why western men seem allergic to romance is beyond me, the Manga is choke-full of romance but the genres are action/horror, so won’t be filled with love triangle but some relationships.
Anyway, I hope I wasn't annoying. I love discussions. <3
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I guess it's true that everyone sees something different, and that no matter how blatant we, or they, as authors, try to make things, there will always be someone out there who sees it differently. I feel that Alucard respects Integra, hands down...but I didn't see growth in what you mentioned, I saw loyalty or duty. And there's a big difference there. Loyalty to her now implies growth in the past...the great all powerful Dracula would never have had loyalty to a mere *human*. And I think he cares a great deal for her...but when I mention Seras, I don't mean like...hm...perhaps I worded it badly? I don't think she encourages him to grow because she is *dependent*, but rather because her innocence and the way she is still trying to learn denote an admiration and a way of looking at him that no one else has had for quite some time.
In the anime, at any rate, she looks up to him, both for protection and as her role model. She's trying to figure herself out, and she wants to stick close to him because she sees him as her awesome amazing Master. And I think deep down he's quite flattered. When he does offer her his blood, whether goaded into it by Integra or not, she refuses, asking, "You won't be my Master anymore?" Now one could argue that she's asking this out of insecurity, and I'm sure it is partially that. She doesn't *want* to be her own vampire yet. But I think another part of it is that she doesn't want to give up the intensity of their connection. And when she refuses, he doesn't push her, or reprimand her. I think it's because, again, he's a little flattered, somewhere deep down.
I dunno, I have to wrap it up and get off to class...but I will say that for me it was clinched when she ran into the Tower and he screamed at her to get out. When she was injured, he was angry...if not it the same way. It could be it just took the injury of *both* his women to *really* push him over the edge, and I also notice that when she came to, he was standing there over her, and didn't leave until he'd had a couple words with her. Maybe I'm reading too far into this, but I like to think it was because he was concerned.
Now, some of this is likely voice actor interpretation. I watched it in English, because I always watch *anything* with Crispin Freeman in English. And right there, Crispin absolutely *caressed* her name with his voice. I've never gone back.
Anyway, I'm sure there's lots more I could say, but I'll be late if I don't get off! It's cool, I like discussions too, especially when people can be civil and not get irritated when others don't agree. I'm glad you took the time to explain *why* you disagreed with me, because one thing I hate is when I get an answer that's nothing more than, "No, you're wrong." And I ask why, and all I get is, "I just don't agree." ARGH!! BACK IT UP!!
And it's cool that you like the different pairings. Unfortunately for me, the way I work is usually to really latch onto one and lose interest in all others. This often creates a lot of frustration for me and it's why I no longer browse the Inuyasha section of ff.net. >_< However, in cases like Hellsing, I have no problems with any other pairings, simply don't really read them. ^_^
And you're not pathetic.
Btw, meet 1944 Alucard:
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AKA Girlycard! He even talks like a girl. Major (the Manga main enemy) thought he was a girl. Maybe he IS a girl, he does shapeshift. God, Hellsing has the most badass women ever. Nothing beats Russian lolita Dracula with a tommy gun kicking the snot out Nazis in Poland.
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Walter and Alucard, 1944. They are cuddling. LMAO.
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Going to reply here because for some weird reason I can't reply your comment.
"Holy craps. Did he really say this? ((o__O)) My Thai version doesn't have this line at all. Wonder why I've been left out!! kyaaa~ He's wicked."
Oh yeah, that's even used a LOT in doujinshi because... uh... he is aroused, what better excuse he has to engage lolita acts with young Integral, Anime setting speaking. The phrase she's still that little girl acquires a lot of more implications when you know that. LOL.
But he could have two Brides *shrugs* He could play top to Seras and bottom to Integral. And everyone is happy. I read one delicious smut fic a while ago like this.
Bets are out with Girlycard’s gender. Major calls him a girl, you see the particles he uses in his speech (unlike his Alucard self) are feminine or neutral. *hums Pretty Woman* That pic is from chapter 5.
I think Arthur Hellsing likes lolitas like Integral is fond of manly, knight in shinning armor. Arthur IS a pervert and seemly wanted to go dirty with two very young hookers in Dawn. Islands scowled him.
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"I think Arthur Hellsing likes lolitas like Integral is fond of manly, knight in shinning armor."
So... it means that Alucard can shift his form acc to his master's desire, right? Interesting. Hirano seems to give him one more twisted nature. And I don't think we mind it at all
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Maybe. Integral didn't order him to shift into hot!knight!Dracula, I reckon he wanted to impress her.
She also looked smirky when she welcomed him. She liked that shape.
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I like The Count's appearance. His armour, his facial hair looks awesome >___< But in some angles, he kinda looks slobby and aged in those unkempted hair. I adore the way Solid&ETC portrayed the Count. She is really good at capturing his grace. Wish I could have just 10% of her talent.
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I liked his unkempted hair and older features. He looked MANLY. Roaw. Like a savage beast tamed by the maiden. *snicker*
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He does look ROUGH, MANLY and real HOT with facial hair. "A savage beast tamed by the maiden" << brilliant
Anw, I like the design of his Alucard form. Crisp dark suit, old-fashioned cravat, black boots. He looks kinda vintage. ^ ^ One thing I hate about this "Victorian pimp" (as some fanfics called him) appearance is his abjected red coat and hat. I prefer him to wear black over red. His bright red coat in anime is my nightmare. That's why I never put him in red coat in my fanart
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Just drop in to say I'm very impressed with you guys's discussion. Have read all of your posts. They're very enjoyable. Pls feel free to use this space to discuss on our beloved series.
LadyBlackmore >> If you have a chance, let's read the Hellsing manga. I agree with Thess that Hirano has done a perfect characterization. Most important, lots of interesting characters can be found only in manga (and the upcoming OVA) be it Pip, the Millennium forces, Dark Walter, Yumiko&Yumie, and Integra's folks. I'm sure you gonna love them all. Don't wanna prepare yourself b4 the release of the OVA in December?
BTW, I also love the RK series. My fav pairing used to be the canon KxK. But now I developed a serious crush on Enishi x Kaoru and left Kenshin to Tomoe alone since then
Thess >> "in episode ten - original Japanese (you should watch it to see the differences), that her words... er-provoked a rage between his legs."
Holy craps. Did he really say this? ((o__O)) My Thai version doesn't have this line at all. Wonder why I've been left out!! kyaaa~ He's wicked.
Girlycard is so sweet.
Still wonder what Walter will think when he looks at Alucard nowadays. Wouldn't he think "Oohhh... my lovely female comrade has grown up a bloody macho vamp."?
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"Now, some of this is likely voice actor interpretation. I watched it in English, because I always watch *anything* with Crispin Freeman in English. And right there, Crispin absolutely *caressed* her name with his voice. I've never gone back. "
In the Japanese version, Alucard was choking there because he was dissolving. Nakata voice is superior to my tastes, he's spooky and very mysterious. I am not English speaker but I listened clips of Freeman, left me cold, he strained his voice too much. To each their own here.
“I feel that Alucard respects Integra, hands down...but I didn't see growth in what you mentioned, I saw loyalty or duty.”
Alucard doesn't *only* respect Integral, he told her, in episode ten - original Japanese (you should watch it to see the differences), that her words... er-provoked a rage between his legs. She's still the same little girl, eh? The one who turned her on by challenge? 
Oh yeah, but he deeply respects her. <3 you for that. My main problem when trying to look AxS stories is that they portray her mostly as OMGthe bitch in the way and Alucard has to hate her. WTF. The amount of character bashing towards Integral is incredible by some authors, which turned me off the pairing only to fanart for a while – Integral is my favorite after all.
I will tell you like you were disappointed the Manga made different Alucard meeting Seras, I felt the same about Integral meeting Alucard. In the Manga, she finds the corpse, cuddles near it (...) and wishes for a knight in shinning armor to help her and states her father was cruel to make her hope only to find this poor dead body. Richard strikes, she snaps at him, he beats her and shoots her shoulder then Alucard stirs, kills everything but Richard and.... kneels, no challenge, without making her afraid. There was no intensity, he just asked if she was okay, all gentlemanly (*gasp*knight in shinning armor wise!). I went WTF. But now I warmed up to that meeting to be frank since Integral and Alucard are totally different in the Manga, if that went like the Anime it wouldn't make much sense.
But took me 8 volumes! Now I realized that meeting was brilliant in the Manga because Alucard didn’t push her or test her, and Integral (who was Hellsing most innocent character, because child Seras was darker before meeting Alucard) killed her uncle on her own accord. Scary! Integral’s struggles with morals, killer instinct, what means her duty, etc are treated extraordinary well for nearly six volumes. This was absolutely needed otherwise Alucard would be useless, because in the Manga, all he does is to indulge her, he’s the knight she wanted to (and she’s the twisted ‘maiden’ knight). Maybe you’ll warm up with Seras/Alucard meeting as the story progresses.
Like I told to comichub before, I am deadly afraid Hirano goes the reincarnation path. Integral resembles a lot to Vlad Dracula’s historical second wife, like a lot, even both names start off with I. And both are ‘Countess.’ I hope not because that twist is everywhere (and plus, I want Ilona, Mina and Integral as separate characters) but he did some weird move in the end of volume 7 already. I am almost sure Hirano will increase (and is increasing) their relationship as romantic (he already nudged nudged in all interviews he’s on) but I don’t want him to ruin the dynamics to me (like happened with Spike/Buffy, I hated this pairing when became canon! And loved the possibility before).
“When she was injured, he was angry...if not it the same way. It could be it just took the injury of *both* his women to *really* push him over the edge, and I also notice that when she came to, he was standing there over her, and didn't leave until he'd had a couple words with her.”
I have no doubt Alucard cares for Seras *in that episode finally* (took him a long to actually warm up to her) but his reaction wasn't as powerful as the one he had with Integral. How shocked and afraid he was, then enraged. And the fact their 'song' (the one played in episode 11 and end of 13) is a Serenade (which means a love song), in the AxI side I mean. Of course he does look after her, he was ordered to and because he does have a sense of responsibility (as small as it is). I am sure Seras will grown in him when time passes and if Integral dies, she will become an anchor. Sad to say, she's a second choice canonically, the Animators confessed in an interview in Newtype, Alucard turned Seras because her eye color reminded him to young Integral - thus why they put emphasis on this aspect in episode 1.
Manga wise, Alucard turned her because she bravely survived a hell, that's another reason I liked the relationship better there, darker as it was, she was less a pawn in my view. I feel really bad for Anime Seras being so neglected by almost everyone unlike Manga Seras who has Pip, the Wild Geese and Integral to contain her. She's less alone. Like I said before, Integral and Seras have a deep relationship in the Manga which Inty saved her from Anderson, firing down his bayonets when he was about to kill Seras, she ran towards her all worried and embraced her to stop her berserker actions in volume 2 (yeah, Deadzone thing), both jokes and hold informal conversations, etc.
If you cannot buy the Manga, I suggest on line scalations. *is a pirate* The translations in the beginning are pretty bad but the new scalation group is very good, even better than Dark Horse (because they translate sound effects). Do you want links in case of being interested?
“Anyway, I'm sure there's lots more I could say, but I'll be late if I don't get off! It's cool, I like discussions too, especially when people can be civil and not get irritated when others don't agree.”
Ah, this happens to me only when some fanboy starts claiming Alucard’s Dracula’s son. Relationships are always subjective, there IS more evidence a relationship leads to a side or the other, but they can change within time. I am a multishipper, I am very open with it (my only squick is parent/child emotional bond – one of the reasons why AxS in the Manga is ruined so far, that tie is one I cannot, ever break, is just… too personal. Ditto of why I cannot write WalterxIntegral, even now he’s Hellsing Most Prized Hot Vampire).
Anyway, I love discussing with you. I doubt we’ll change views of the other but I enjoy sharing experiences with the fandom. <33333
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Ah yes. Most likely VA interp, then, which in turn is somewhat thanks to the dub director...things can change quite a bit! I may pull it out and watch it in Japanese sometime. I've heard both actors do a superb job. I am a big fan of Mr. Freeman, and I tend to watch anime in English at least first. As an American who does a lot of acting for fun and dates an Acting major with aspirations to be a VA, I tend to identify more readily with the style of the Western actors. Japanese voice acting is a very different thing from Western Method acting, as is really *all* Japanese theatre and acting, and though I have a serious appreciation for it, when the Dub is good, or at least passable, I'll watch that. Of course, what with school going on now, I don't have much time for anything. But, again, as you said, to each their own. ^^ I have friends who always prefer Japanese and friends who always prefer English, and somehow, we all get along. 👍: 0 ⏩: 1
Oh Alucard, with your raging man-bits! *L* I dunno, although if this happened way back when Integra was a kid...actually, I do remember that bit. In English, he says, "You make my blood boil." Which could be she makes him angry, but because of the way he delivered it, laughingly, and with a big grin on his face, I immediately took it to be sexual, even without knowing what it was translated from. Like, "You turn me on."
*L* I really will read the manga someday! Until then, all I can do is enjoy your descriptions.
Well, I can't say one way or the other. And I don't know about Manga Integra, but I do know I don't believe for a minute that Anime Integra would ever give into Alucard...if she is a reincarnation...he may have to wait for the next one around. But I agree. The whole reincarnated lover thing is not all that original, and I hope he will do something else with it. Ah, Spike/Buffy! It might have been okay if Buffy hadn't turned the tables and started verbally abusing *Spike* all the time. Or if it hadn't been for that whole entire "Angel is her soulmate and destined to be with her forever and ever and ever and...Oh, just kidding" thing. 
Yeah, I'd heard of that interview before. The fact of the matter is that Seras came second, so it makes sense that she would be second in his affections, at least at first. It's something we fans of the pairing have to live with. ;_; Sad but true. I like to *hope* that maybe he could learn to appreciate her for herself before Integra actually up and died, but I guess we'll never know. However, even if he doesn't, it can still be done well, as in the piece "His Humanity."
I guess they just decided to go a different way with anime Seras. Since the story focuses more on her than it does in the manga (or so I've been told.) It helps in a way to put her more by herself, because then she is forced to examine herself and think about her life and what's happened to her. Growth is somewhat forced on her, because there's no one to care for her. Poor thing, it was mean of them to do! And I wish there *had* been more interaction between her and Integra. I'm not a fan of shoujo-ai...not homophobic, just not entertained by it...I guess because I have a hard time identifying
I would love the links, if you'll give them to me! ^_^ Then I can look them up when I have time. (School is trying to eat me.)
Well, in the defense of those fanboys, the Castlevania video game franchise has been around since the original Nintendo....and in those games, Alucard is the dhampir son of Dracula. I admit...for a long time I was under the impression that Alucard was the son of Dracula because I had known Castlevania first. *L* Even the shot at the end of the anime hadn't made me realise my error, since they do a very similar thing with D in the Vampire Hunter D first movie and novel, and we *know* he's the son of Dracula...though not the son of Alucard, I think.
I agree...the parent child relationship is quite sacred...^_^ But I'll tell you the reason why AxS attracted me so much in the anime...it was because they reminded me of Sesshoumaru and Rin from Inuyasha, my absolute favourite characters from the series and one of my favourite pairings of all time. There are a lot of similarities. She "dies", he brings her back to life, (though this is a lot more literal with Rin and Sess, and Sess did not "kill" her in the first place) and after, she sees him as pretty much her entire world, admires him, wants to be like him, with him. He, for some reason, lets her stick around, and even though he's not blatant about it, you know he cares, deep down. Both Alucard and Sess are immortal and ancient and both are changed a little by the innocence of their respective "Rins". Mostly, I just have a real weakness for that dynamic. ^_^
I enjoy discussing as well. If you ever want to discuss in realtime (and stop clogging up poor Comichub's page) I am Lady Blackmour on AIM, PhantomEriksAngel@yahoo.com on Yahoo Messenger, and LadyBlackmour@hotmail.com on MSN, if any of those help. ^_^ Later!
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