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Coro, Art Director at Massive Black.Check out his downloads here: [link]
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Well duh, if real women wont do this 'catering' you cant blame us for expressing our fantasies with methods such as art.
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Hey, just curious -- Would you think it's hot for someone to do the kind of things men usually want to do to women in BDSM, to YOU? The vast majority of men would say no. Maybe that's why most women don't want to do it either. I never blamed anyone for using art to explore their darker fantasies, I just said I'm disturbed by the subject, and rightly so. Maybe you should rethink why it is that darker/more harmful fantasies are the ones that get you off, and whether or not you should continue to indulge in them knowing how problematic it is in reality? Just a suggestion.
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Interesting you brought that up. The subject of what's expected from both genders is a very interesting one to me(I'm a straight guy who prefers to be dominated). Maybe it's be less frowned for guys that are lithe or submissive to begin with but if someone seems fairly masculine in their disposition it gets met with a little more hostility. Just my experience though.
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I really have few moral objections to people who enjoy BDSM as long as both partners are totally sure it's what they want and are careful to set boundaries beforehand and keep communication open throughout. But at the same time, from what I've seen, it is, again, overwhelmingly males dominating females. I'm still not necessarily going to judge people who are into that, but it's extremely worrisome to me. I don't call myself a Wiccan, but I've always felt that the last words of the Rede, "An ye harm none, do what ye will", is one of the most enlightening I've heard from any spiritual practice. So BDSM is, to me, the exact opposite in every way of what I feel is right. I worry about the people who got into the practice because they were initially brutalized without their consent, and are attracted to BDSM because they're confused about why they had an involuntary pleasurable response to a painful situation. I worry that these people will attract selfish and sadistic partners who will take advantage of them for their own gratification and harm them further. By and large, that has been the experiences of the people I've spoken to.
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Hmmm. Well, I was never physically abused but I did briefly have a stepmother that hated/frightened me as a toddler(my dad left her as a result). With that said I've always felt a certain way about this even before "developing". Is it possible that it can be innate?
I do have a squeamishness about male on female violence. My mother was raped two days before she died 11 years ago.
Adults will do what they want but it's a lot harder for a woman to get out of a situation if she becomes uncomfortable.
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Actually yes, this may not be the right place to mention this but I am bisexual and I have a VAST collection of BDSM porn both classic and dominatrix, there is no short supply of pegging (women screwing men using various toys such as strapons and dildos) and cock and ball torture (again, sorry if this is not the best place to mention these words) which involve women in stilettos stepping or kicking men in the balls and cock (both sides actually enjoy it, I've witnessed a man get kicked in the balls till he vomitted blood and insisted to continue despite our advise, throbbing erection and all) Personally I have been involved in some light parts of both (crossdressing and otherwise) and I have been GREATLY enjoying myself (which may become a problem because poorly controlled bdsm can sometimes become a health hazard) Maybe its just because ive indulged myself in a lifestyle that many people may frown upon, but I feel I have come to easily accept the many forms of sexualization, but then again this is the opinion of a bisexual man so I usually expect not to get taken seriously in most cases.
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Yeah, okay, dominatrix women exist. Some guys actually like to get beat up. But in the vast majority of pornographic videos out there, it features men dominating, beating and humiliating women. If you described what you just did to a group of people, most of them would be horrified, again, rightly so. If you describe a woman being raped and beaten to a group of people, chances are more than a few of them are going to get aroused instead, because raping women is saturated so much in our media that it's treated as 'normal'. Hell, little boys joke about rape every day. Plus, as you yourself mentioned, "poorly controlled BDSM" can result in great damage, even death. BUT, if a woman who is involved in BDSM wants to stop and her partner refuses and brutalizes her, and she goes to the police, do you think they're going to help her with as much enthusiasm as they would a man who got his nuts crushed? Please, if a woman is raped all the guy has to say is that she was into BDSM, whether or not it's true it's going to be accepted as an excuse for the rape in court. Go ahead and enjoy yourself as long as it's with 100% consenting partners, but please as least acknowledge the fact that your fetish hurts people that want nothing to do with it, as well as those who THINK they do.
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Yes indeed the portrayal is there, but the vast majority of porn is actually consensual-type sex or fun sex, as we call it. And then it branches out to accommodate the many different sexual fantasies and fetishes out there. Porn which depicts women being degraded exists merely as a branch, and with every tree there are larger branches and smaller ones, as it happens this branch is rather large because it encompasses old ideals (man before woman) that are still being heavily taught in our society today. Among the people (both male and female) I have discussed this with, most treat it as a passing fancy or an occasional roleplay for added excitement. For the most part, rape becomes an uncomfortable topic for everyone involved in the discussions and it devolves into someone trying to change the topic or leave (yes both men and women) so I think its safe to say that any normal or sane person would think rape is nothing to be joking around with regardless of gender. Of course there will always be people who will commit rape as much as any other crime so I wouldn't say its fair to generalize. Besides, rape happens to men too, not as often as it happens to women but still a surprising amount, however these male victims tend to receive less help or support than female victims because of social views, which is a pity. And I cant remember the last time rape was ever portrayed in a positive light, in most scenarios the rapist will get an upcommance that satisfies the audience (unless we are talking about rape fantasy porn, in which case its fine). Regarding the BDSM thing, yes it does sometimes happen (to both men and women), in which case it has less to do with gender and more with the amount of self-control of the dominator/trix. However, these senarios are rare because of the heavy consequences involved (loss of reputation/sponsors, loss of participants, loss of viewers) which essentially presents the risk of committing career suicide. And I'm fairly sure women actually hold more of an advantage in court battles as women are more likely to garner attention and sympathy from the jury (eg, divorce & paternity cases in which the women are more likely to gain custody of the children or possession of assets). Overall, I would say that social views and standards can sometimes screw both men and women over and I hope for the best in the future. PS: I'm actually quite enjoying our conversation so I would like to ask for your opinion on the recent case of a scientist being brought to tears for wearing a slightly inappropriate shirt on a big occasion.
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I wish I could say the same, but it's kind of hard for me to be as enthusiastic about this subject as I'm sure most males are. I haven't heard the story about the scientist. The thing is though, I can tell you're seeing this through a certain kind of mental lens. Same as me and everyone else, but since the subject is something women go through more than men, it's something we're usually quite a bit more aware of. I also have a feeling you watch "Law and Order: SVU". I do too, it's a pretty good show and Hargitay is beautiful. But you really just can't compare the 'scenarios' from that show to real life. In most real life scenarios, the rapists usually do NOT get their comeuppance, and while they might not be portrayed in a positive light (but the still usually are) they victim is virtually ALWAYS degraded and slandered. The jury might sympathize with her, but chances are they still won't convict, especially not if there's a single man on the jury, who usually refuse to vote guilty in rape cases, even when there is enough evidence. And the thing is, porn that degrades women does NOT exist merely as a branch. That's MAINSTREAM porn. Maybe you don't notice, like most men don't, because you probably watch a lot more than the average woman does and are used to it, used to seeing porn stars instead of the average woman. Almost all porn has some at least small BDSM element in it, and most of it isn't small at all. Admittedly I feel BDSM is one of the worst things in the world, so I am definitely biased, but I truly do not believe any woman in the world really wants a "rosebud", as they're known in porn. Nobody would do such a horrific thing to themselves unless they were in a tragically desperate situation, and forcing someone to do something like that to provide for something they need is beyond sickening. But then, my initial comment wasn't really about BDSM, it was about the depiction of rapists as literal monsters in fantasies. Like the tentacle monster shit they throw in hentai porn all the time.
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Oh yes the rosebud, an unfortunate side effect of the area being stretched very often. It is a profession related side effect much like a builder would have calloused hands. While often seen in porn I have my doubts about it occuring with your average, everyday woman, much like the penis size of male porn stars is by no means a common occurance in most normal men, since male porn stars usually undergo surgery which will increase penis length but reduce its firmness (one reason why the penises of the men in porn seem to just flop around). No, I haven't heard of this show you speak of but I might check it out if I have the time. But I believe that there is such dissonance during rape cases is because there is so much at stake for both sides. Men tend to take a more skeptical view on the matter because there have been cases of women falsely accusing innocent men of rape (just google false rape accusations list), which result in the man in question losing nearly everything. Then again, there is also the possibility that the woman in question is indeed telling the truth but the man simply has a better lawyer or some form of influence that allows him to escape justice (much like how police brutality is sometimes punished with only a slap on the wrist). The possibility of these situations, along with perhaps the lack of hard evidence makes everything so much more complicated. Also, the law is not perfect, there will always be people who find ways to avoid the law, not just with rape but murder, bribery or things much worse. Also, I just realized I may have wandered waaaaay off topic at some point. But with the depiction of rapists as monsters and creatures less than human, aren't they also sending the message that rapists ARE in fact monsters. By doing so they are dehumanizing the rapist while contrasting them to the innocence and beauty of the victim, creating a clear juxtapose and giving the audience a character to sympathize with. Of course, this applies more to the image we started with (robot and slaves) and less so to the hentai porn because those were created to serve as porn and nothing else (seriously, the quality of the animation and art style in most tentacle monster hentai is absolute bollocks, its a wonder that anyone would even get aroused at all). Your mention of our mental lenses does indeed make sense, and I suppose it would be difficult to fully understand the plights of the opposing gender without having seen through their point of view, luckily the presence of loved ones makes everything just a little bit easier. I have a mother and a sister and I love them both to bits, but I would certainly find it difficult to discuss these topics with them because I don't want them to think I'm weird or make them feel uncomfortable and I assume it is similar for you. Perhaps the time for deeper understanding will come for both of us when we finally meet our significant others and settle down.
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Okay, no, I'm done. If you really believe what you're saying, it just goes to show how badly porn warps the minds of men. It is NOT the same as a worker getting calloused hands, it's a horrific injury due to repeated violent rapes, end of story.
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When I said that I meant people who actually work in the porn industry, not rape victims. And yes, this discussion has gone long enough, I will stand by my opinions and you will stand by yours. End of discussion.
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Porn actors/prostitutes ARE rape victims, paying someone for sex is immoral, fork, done.
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On a deeper level still, it could stem from humanity's collective attempt to come to terms with, and make peace with, it's darker self. Hades and Persephone. Beauty and the beast. Little Red Riding Hood and the big bad wolf. Jekyll and Hyde. Vampires. Werewolves. All of these myths and tales paint a picture of the dichotomy of our better and worse natures, and the core conscious caught in the middle.
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Interesting take on the piece, all good points. I also think the dichotomy could be between machinery and humanity, with humanity taking machinery's place as the slaves. I just think it's kind of odd that a supposedly sexless robot entity would seem to prefer beautiful females as slaves.
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I don't know if that's the message of the image but there are a disturbing number of guys that I think are like that......
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There's a good chance it's not. It could also be the dichotomy of machinery being a slave to humanity being flipped on it's head. I just find it weird that this supposedly genderless robot entity obviously prefers beautiful and somewhat scantily clad female slaves.
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I sort of automatically imagined that they were the slaves of who ever created it and he's confused by the bowing. No idea why.
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What part of the robot do you see it tells it's male? Please, don't make any art that does not include gender-themes into some pseudo-psychological debate.
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Kiss my ass, I can make anything into a psychological debate if I damn well feel like it. Not everyone is as blind as you are, either.
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Why can't it just be seen as two humans serving a robot? Why does there have to be some type of gender agenda?
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Why does the alternative obviously scare and disturb you so much that you don't even want it talked about?
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It doesn't I asked a question just as you did.
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You know, I've wondered that for a long time too (I'm a guy). I remember when I was very young I was into bondage, even before puberty (there was something about people being tied up that just satisfied me. I have NO idea why).
As I got older, the fetish got more and more sophisticated until eventually...this stuff.
In all honesty, my attention is focused more on the women. I think you might be onto something when you say that we wish women could accept the monsters inside us, but I also think it may be the satisfaction of experimentation while exploring the beautiful thing that is the female body (whatever entity you worship did a wonderful job creating the female figure).
Maybe it is the desire to be dominant, and these monsters are far more dominating than any human. I don't know. I wonder if any studies have been done?
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Thank you for the well-thought reply. That's actually the jist of what I meant. The vibe I get from pieces like this, it's not a literal 'monster' men want women to accept, but the darker and more 'monstrous' sides of their personalities.
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You are most welcome. I want to learn and peacefully debate, not fight, and I have no intention of antagonizing you.
I get that 'monster' is metaphorical. I understood that much XD
Though I do wonder what it is that makes this fetish so wide spread? I also wonder if there are any women with this fetish (being dominated by a monstrous being). I mean, I'm sure there are, there seems to be a fetish for everything (don't test that claim. Trust me, you're better off taking my word for it) but I wonder what the percentage of females with this fetish is in comparison with men?
I also wonder how much males enjoy sex for the physical aspect vs the emotional aspect in addition to the same comparison to females, and if this plays any part?
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Ditto, and don't worry -- Though I'm mostly disgusted by sex, I'm more disgusted at the thought of being ignorant. Plus I'm a Scorpio, so sex and darkness are kinda my bread and butter. And I also prefer to 'agree to disagree' most of the time, unless what the other person believes harms other people. I'm not a Wiccan, but I always really liked that quote of theirs, "An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will". It's why I just can't help but view BDSM as unhealthy, because it seems like the exact opposite of that. As for wondering if there are any women with the monster fetish -- I don't doubt for a minute that there's sure to be a handful of them. But I think the question to ask is really, "How many women would be into the monster fetish/other BDSM fantasies" if violence against women wasn't such a common occurrence? My guess would be, "At least not as many as there are now." I can't help but wonder how many women become attracted to these kinds of things as a method of survival. Because it's safer to pretend to like it or learn to like it, when there is no other choice.
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Thanks, I appreciate it.
This brings up another question of mine that I've been wondering for some time now. Why are people disgusted by sex? Isn't sex something to celebrate? The fact we can bring new life into this world is amazing. If you want to get spiritual, it's like two souls in a single body. Two bodies can not occupy the same space, so to achieve this is a miracle. In a more earthly perspective, sex just feels good (when it is between two people who agree to it). I mean, I understand that it is typically demonized in western culture, and that having lots of sex can spread disease (which may be why it was viewed as dirty in the first place all those millennia ago?) It's even sacred in a way, as most people believe you only should have sex with the one you love most, so for all its negative connotations, sex is also tied with the thing we celebrate most. It's pretty interesting how much we paradoxically celebrate/condemn something like sex. I wonder what papers have been written on the topic?
You would actually be amazed at how many women are into bondage and even BDSM. And from my experience, you are right in that oppression tend lead (though not necessarily cause) these fetishes. A BDSM porn star Iona Grace (I was a teenage man. I watched lots of porn. Don't judge me XD) said in an interview that she came from a Christian and sexually conservative household, and that it was her being help back and 'bound' to these morals she just didn't care about that eventually led to her BDSM fantasies. I could probably find some more interviews, but I don't want to risk my computer getting infected again.
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I dunno if I should be amaze or scard, well the art is amazing so let's go with both?
ahh well Great Job!
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Being the first time seeing/knowing about this, it's quite a piece of art!
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Anyone else think the robot would have the voice of Tim Curry.
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Did you know that robot means slave?! At World's End to thank for that tidbit of information.
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Kinda the same comment as a lot of others have added ... I didn't know whether to be creeped out or fave it. So I faved it. I really really want to know the story behind this image, but no matter how I slice it, I come up with macabre. Really hard to look away!
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This has kind of a nice creepy factor to it... Well done.
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I know this Picture out of the old Artscene Journal here in Germany.
Some years old and still one o my most loved paintings.
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good job , very nice 
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Marvelous concept and design, cheers
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i love it, it's outstanding, there's just 1 thing that bugs me , and that is the place where he's standing doesn't correspond with the contact he does with the girl, her placement and the ground tells that she's farther in the background, yet the robot stays in the foreground, even before the first slave character and therefore it creates this weird parallax effect that kills the geometry a bit in an otherwise outstanding and harmonic picture. also i love your drawing style!
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Wow, nice concept work!!
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