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Explantion:I THINK:
...That Kopa was killed by Zira in revenge of her Scar,
also that's why Zira is banished from the pride-lands.
Simba couldn't get him self to kill her, because then
he would make 3 cubs (Nuka, Vitani, Kovu) orphangs.
Then after Kopa's death they had to prensentate Kiara
because now she was the new queen. I also think that's
Why Simba is so protective to Kiara - because he has
lost one child...
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That is true about the difference of the two cubs,Β ChronoMovieLord13 .
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Kopa didn't appear in the sequel because the creators of the second film had never heard of him: Kiara was always going to be the cub at the end of the first film. Disney have time and time again said Kiara is the first born. And now they've added a second-born to the mix.
A more likely explanation for Zira's banishment might be in the form of Sarabi's absence from the film.
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I was thinking the same thing why Kopa didn't appear in the sequel.
Maybe he was killed byΒ Zira in revenge of her Scar and was banished from the pride lands.
Even when they showed the trailer to Lion King 2: Simba's Pride, I see the cub that was shown at the end of the 1st TLK.
And when we watch the beginning of TLK2, we see another presentation of Kiara.
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That is (sadly) the more popular one of the two theories surrounding that matter.Β
Hopefully the 'live-action' film's story-writers will remember him and reveal which is right.
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Fluffy, and Fluffy! Just going by the words of the production crew, the Cub in the first movie is called Fluffy by the crew, and during production of the sequel Kiara was called Fluffy. The rest is in limbo, but id Kopa is ever accepted as canon then he is the first of Simba's 3 cubs.
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These lion cubs are very cute.
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i never think about this, but is true, wowwww
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Actually, Kopa is not legit to the Disney franchise at all. That cub at the end of the first lion king was to be a 'placeholder' for the next child for Simba, who was then codenamed 'Fluffy' at the end of the movie and is in no way related to Kopa. They are two ENTIRLEY different characters. Kopa was a thought made by a writer who is not part of the Disney Company and was one of the writers for the Lion King 'Six New Adventures' comic. That comic was not licensed by Disney, but only permitted by them to be made.
There is no 'story' behind Kopa, nor is there anything said that he was 'killed'. He was never made to begin with. 'Fluffy' at the end of the story was replaced by Kiara as the producers thought it would be a better idea at the time. People going around saying 'Kopa died' are just making up fan-theories which hold no evidence whatsoever. In Lion King 2, Kiara is his only legit daughter, he never had Kopa 'die' since Kopa never exsisted.
I feel they changed Kiara from 'Fluffy' was due to the fact it was to closely resembling Simba without any hint of Nala. Kiara's color pallet is a mix of Simba's and Nala's being a few hues lighter than Simba. Kiara also has her mother's chest pattern with Simba's eyes, making a perfect mix between the two.
Personally, I feel it would have been interesting to give Kiara a brother, but I suppose it wouldn't have fit due to the story being based off of 'Romeo and Juliet' as well as focusing on two royal cubs might have been a chalkenge to handle.
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But the pictures in the top look like Simba from the movie.
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So why did kopa get rejected just asking most say that will
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If they really wanted me to belive that the cub in the first movie was the same cub in the second movie, they should have tried harder. Everyone looks different (slightly older) Simba's changed, Nala's changed, where the **** is Sarabi? And why is the presentaion of Kiara different to that of "Fluffy"? They should have worked on it more and made it look exactly the same as the first. If I ever meet the creator of TLK 2 I'll give him a nice, juicy knuckle sandwich.
So, in conclusion, I completely agree with what you saying. 
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I'll never forgive SP creators for the replacement of the presentation stage!
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This cub isn't a male, and his name isn't Kopa. The cub you can see at the end of TLK1 was genderless, and was called "Fluffy" by the movie creators. Then the guys who made TLK2 change his design and called the cub "Kiara". End of the story.
"Kopa" is a character created for some TLK books. He don't exist in any of the movies, and will never.
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The cub obviously isn't genderless. It's pretty obvious it's a boy due to lack of feminine features, having big paws and a flat belly, as oppose to Kiara's girly face, small paws and rounded belly. It's the shape of the face and body that makes the gender obvious to the viewer. And in between movies there was a book featuring Simba's son who is named Kopa, so there's no denying the cub at the end of TLK1 is a boy.
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But one of the movie director said that the cub was not a boy, neither a girl, it was just "Fluffy".
And they are cartoon lions. In the first movie, we never see a female cub that young, so no one can really tell what they would look like. This character was just created for the finale of the movie, he/she was just the "new circle of life", nothing more, nothing less ^^.
Kopa is nothing more than a character that was created for a bunch of kid books. He got Disney copyright, so they could sell the book, but he isn't really a character from any of the movie, he isn't related to the same universe.
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If I recall didn't they say it was a male named "Fluffy"? I specifically recall them saying they thought of the cub as a boy.
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I'm not sure, but I kinda remember them saying something like "we don't want to choose a gender for that cub, so we're just going to go with Fluffy"...
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Well, they didn't do a very good job neutralizing the cub's look as it looks more masculine than it does gender neutral. It just has "boy" written all over it. Compare the cub from TLK 1 to baby Kiara from TLK 2, they look like a boy and a girl, neither looks gender neutral. When Simba was a newborn, he looked more or less gender neutral, the cub at the end of the movie not so much. In fact the cub at the end looks like it's few days or weeks old, Kiara also.
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You can't really compare this cub to Kiara, the style of drawing is kinda different, since it's not in the same movie... Even Simba or Nala looks different.
And it's only a character which appears less that 5 seconds. They just took Simba newborn's design and change it a little bit, I doubt they wanted to spend time on it
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Despite the design of drawing being different, the only reason the cubs look different is because of the cubs gender change. If Kiara was a boy, she would not look like as she does in the movie.
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Who know? Not at all girl looks like extra feminine, just take a look at Vitani, she is as female, yet she looks like a male.
It doesn't change the fact that Fluffy don't have any gender... He/she doesn't need it anyway, the cub was here for 10 seconds ^^".
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Despite what one of the directors said, it's clear that the animators tried to make it obvious Simba had a son at the end of TLK 1. You know what makes it obvious Vitani is a girl who just happens to have hair on her head? The shape of the eyes and muzzle, but especially the eyes. Animals in animated movie are relied upon the shape of the eyes, heads and muzzles for gender specificness.
Can you guess which white tiger is the male [link] ? If you guessed the one lying down, congratualtions, you have good eyes.
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I have bad eyes, I had to look at this picture quite a long before being able to conclude anything ^^".
He sure looks like a male, but why would they say "Hey, guys, this is Simba's cub, because we want to let you imagine what happens next, we will never give him/her a gender" if they've always choose that he is a male? Fluffy is genderless, even if she/he looks like a male.
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I don't know. What's done done. The words of that one director are pretty useless at this point. The cub at the end of TLK 1 looks like a boy, there's a book which focuses on the cub and confirms it's a boy named Kopa. The cub cememony from both movies looks different and so the the cubs, so very much. There's another name given to the cub from TLK 1 - Tanabi, who is also a boy.
Despite whatever fans say, nothing will change, the cub will still look like a boy, people will still claim Kopa existed inbetween movies but he was supposedly killed by Zira which led to her banishment, the difference between the ceremonies and the cubs will not go overlooked, and the book which is about Simba's son will always be considered part of TLK's movie universe, despite the 2nd film ignoring its existance.
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But Tanabi and Kopa are both fan work (except that Kopa got the Disney copyright so they could sell books about him), they aren't a confirmation of anything. Kopa isn't related to any of the movie, he is only "the son Simba could have have" if there wasn't a TLK2 that destroyed this theory. Kopa existed before TLK2, and have his own universe, where Zira and the other doesn't exist, so he can possibly be killed by her or anyone else. He is a part of the TLK universe (as a semi-canon character, or whatever it is called), but still isn't Fluffy or Kiara. He is Kopa.
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It's fanon, despite the canon not confirming stuff, it ain't hard for people to imagine what happened inbetween movies. The people just left the fanfic doors wide open. In TLM 3, Ariel's mom was seen, so I guess future fan arts of how people though Ariel's mom looks like are pretty much dead, which indeed they became after the release of that movie. Did TLK2 confirmed Kiara was Simba's first cub, no it did not, there's still the posibility Kopa was her deceased older brother, which she doesn't know about.
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Wait, wait.
There is a TLM 3? Gosh, I stopped at the second one XD.
I still think that this is impossible for Simba to have any deceased cub. Because they would have metionned it in the movie. It could have give a reason to Zira's exile, it could have explained why Simba is over protective and everything, but it doesn't. This is only the fadom ^^.
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Not mentioning stuff is what allows people to draw their own conclusions. And the fans aren't making stuff up, there's a book about Simba's son under Disney's label, and TLK 2 neither confirms nor rejects the existance of the book. I didn't hear any dialog rejecting the possible existance of a previous cub of Simba and Nala. Simba didn't say "You're my first and only cub" which would have been a complete rejection of the book, but he never says anything of the sort.
And TLM 3 is a prequel, set 1 year before the events of the first movie, it reveals what happeend to Ariel's mother and why Triton hold prejudice towards humans.
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Yeah, but when you loose a child, you're not just "Lol, doesn't matter, we never gonna metionn that cub again and make another one!". Simba makes nightmare about his past, but only about his dad, if he had lost a cub, he would have, at least, think about it one or two time in the movie. And Nala is so blank in this movie, if she wasn't here it wouldn't make any difference ^^".
... I wonder what happened to Ariel's mother. In fact, I haven't see any of the TLM's movie since a long, long time. I should check it.
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Where did Simba acted like it doesn't matter? It takes more than just banished lions to be so overprotective. Even when she's all grown up he sends Timon and Pumbaa after her. So now they've gone from escorting her to spying on her. That's a bit much. And the nightmare was about Scar because of Kovu. How does Kopa fit in in that nightmare? He wasn't there and Simba never met Kovu before Kiara did. There are fanfics about Kopa meeting Kovu, but they never say anything about Simba meeting Kovu during Kopa's existance inbetween movies, so the fanfics stay true to the movies continuity.
And like I said, the movie neither confirmes nor rejectes Kopa's existance.
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Of course, because Kopa is existing in his own world. In the universe of TLK6NA. The guys who made TLK2 probably never heard about those books, so their characters (Kovu, Kiara and all the others) can't be related to Kopa in any way. It would be like saying that in TLK6NA, Zira is dead because you never see her... She just doesn't belong to the same world.
Also, when it come to fan theory, there is a lot of things you can imagine about how putting Kopa's story to the rest of the TLK universe. I personnaly made a story where Kopa is Kiara's little brother, Nala and Simba had him after Kiara and Kovu left Pride Rock (like they wanted to in the movie)... Nothing in TLK6NA says that it happens "Just after the first movie and before the second"
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TLK6NA is obviously inbetween movies, so saying she's dead is 100% nonsense. In TLK 2 she's alive, so that confirmes in TLK6NA she's just off-screen and isn't mentioned but does exists peresumably in the outlands where she's been banished to. It's a huge possibility that doesn't have anything going against it. Not referencing Zira doesn't mean she's doesn't exist, that just means they don't talk about her. In the TLK fandom universe Kopa is never her yunger brother. It makes much more sense for the book to take place inbetween movies 1 and 2, than have it take place after TLK 2. Why the hell would Simba and Nala want to have another cub, now that their previous cub is grown up and married and obviously lives in Pride Rock.
Let me remind you that Kovu was the one that wanted them to RUN AWAY, and that happened after Kovu was banished, Kiara escaped and there was a war between the two pride. It did not happen after everything was hunky dory. And Kiara was against the idea of running away, and I doubt she wanted to run away after they were married. Kovu's the only other male there, so he can't leave, plus he and Kiara are now the new King and Queen of Pride Rock, and Simba and Nala can retire now.
Your made up story about Kopa has more problems and lack of logic than you think the entire TLK franchise does.
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I wish kopa was in the second film...
But this explains it very well
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In a thing I want to make, I'm going to include Kopa, except he won't die in it and he will be Kiara's brother, except only older by five minutes.
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I kind of have a different theory. I think Kopa died in an accident and Simba blamed Zira. But I'm torn between a bunch of theories so.. yeah.
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I have the same reasoning for why Zira was banished instead of killed. But in my version, Zira was framed. Think about it? You kill off the king's offspring, who better to frame than the former king's vengeful widow? It'd also make her more vengeful, as not only did she never get revenge, she was wrongfully banished.
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Kopa that's me! i think my sister kiara is a brat.
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Yay now my sister will under stand that at the end of the lion king it's Kopa not kiara. but i don't blame her they don't show Kopa in the lion king 2, but anyway i think they made up Kopa that's why he's not in the lion king 2 but i stilll like kopa.
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>I THINK:
...That Kopa was killed by Zira in revenge of her Scar,
You think wrong. Like over 1000000 another idiots who repeat this story over and over again. Open your eyes already SP plot totally rapes TLK and makes Simba tyranic idiot who banished half of his own family. FFS your stupid theory gives no answer why Simba should banish other 10-12 lioness. Why SP's cretors would care about some children books when they give no shit to TLK itself? Don't spend your time on questions with obvious answer.
AND FFS DON'T ANSWER TO ME!
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Well it's an opinion. :/ Don't be rude.
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I respons to you anyway
Maybe the other lioness just stuck to Zira?
and you need to relaxe by the way ^^
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Makes complete sense. But in my TLK comic, Kopa survives after his apparent death by Zira. Now he's far away from home with a pride of his own (mate, Lula and a female cub Aura).
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yup! I would go with that theory as well, it makes the most sence! Nice comparison too!
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