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So this is a commission i made for MikhalLeNoir
I dont have my own concept on the lost Primarchs since i think the question is more interesting than the answer,
but I'm always very exited to see what other people can come up with. This is a portrait of Gwalchavad, Primarch
of the Wardens of Light, The Blank/ Pariah, The Ghost King. You can learn more about him and his legion here: www.bolterandchainsword.com/to…
I am still open for commissions and would love to portrait more of your ideas on the lost ones. Send me a note for more info.
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I visited the site you linked to read, what this project is all about and if your vision fits into what the creator had in mind.
But it doesn`t, sorry.
Instead, you did it a million times better than everybody could ever expect and your pic just putted it on a whole new level of awesomeness. It boosted the image of the legion that was created there into the orbit of real and mature 40k lore that has to be taken seriously.
Breathtaking skills you showed here. Honestly.
As always, it is technically so well done, that I don`t know how someone could improve it. The facial impression fits perfectly into your Iconostasis project and nobody would ever think, it is something else, than a noble primarch. And this time, you gave birth to someone, that hasn`t been drawn before for a million times.
I also love the fact, that you didn`t make it too "asian", not because I`m a fucking racist, but because it simply was the intend of the creator to do an asian, but not "too asian" stereotype theme (Samurais, Ninjas, Sumos, .....) . "There are already too much of those out there" was what he said in one of his posts, and you understood what he meant.
So I can`t do anything else, but give you every star available for this masterpiece and I hope to see some more commissions that you might do to realize the thoughts of other dreamers.
Thank you like always, that you share your talent with us.
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Here a Little Teaser for the nett. But will take Some Time. It is from our Alternate storyline where every lost Legion of our Board replaces the Canon primarchs. Ist might be a sacrilege but it is a fünf Project.
that was part one. here comes the other. The white knight stood alone on the top of a white marble roof. The imperial palace wasn’t the peaceful place Gwalchavad had enjoyed to stay at. The past few days hell broke lose and the place became a living nightmare. Amidst this hell fought the prideful astartes, who defended mankind against a collaboration of once loyal Astartes and deamons. Deep down, Gwalchavad could see Icarion the Arch-Traitor, leading the front assault against the defending marines who were mere children compared to his dark powers.
As Gwalchavad prepared to support the Astartes against Icarion, his attention was caught by something else, someone was watching him from afar. The hairs on Gwalchavads neck tingled as he saw the watching beast. A big creature, with an eagle like head, big pale leathery wings folded to it's back. It's spear went high into the air as it landed in front of Gwalchavad with wolf like bended legs. A three fringered claw coated in purple flames flikered heavily. The monster looked around, looking as if delighted at the massacre which took place hundreds of metres from him. This was no normal deamon, Gwalchavad recognized the once proud armor and stance of a primarch, which now was a twisted travesty of its past glory. But what convinced Gwalchavad of the bitter truth was the spear the creature held in it's hand… A golden spear with eagle ornaments covering it. The spear his brother Alexos got as a present from his brother Daer’dd at their first meeting. The blade was now black, covered with the same purple flames the deamon also carried on it's bestial claw.
„Brother“ the creature smiled. „Brother, it has been a long time… I know that our last conversation went… Rather downhill. But... Everything changed! We changed! We are at the triumph now! Join me brother, let me show you the future, become the king warrior of the true gods!" Gwalchavad tensed his muscles while the monster slowly came nearer. "Alexos... You were perfect already Alexos. Now you are nothing more than a pawn. I will never join your gods, why did you do this... Deamon" Gwalchavad whispered, slowly bringing his blades up, he started pacing towards his old friend, hiding his emotions behind his mask.
Gwalchavad increased his speed and at the last instance activated his jump pack, gaining momentum. Crushing with his shoulder into Alexos who met the Primarch head on. In a fluid motion Gwalchavad threw three perfectly timed strikes against his enemy. The demon blocked them with with his spear, as if they hadn't bothered him much. Strikes which would have proven deadly for a mortal. But this was no mere mortal, this was a deamon primarch, a living god. The power of the emperors sons, fused with the power of the dark gods. No human could dream of having a chance against such a foe.
Gwalchavad didn’t give in. He attacked again, even faster than before, a fluid motion, a dance of death. He attacked from different angles and worked himself piece by piece through Alexos defense. And then he connected, a fast feint, a swirl, one quick motion with his head, and the hidden blade inside Gwalchavads braid, found his way into the stomach of his adversary. Alexos hadn’t seen it coming and was surprised by the unexpected strike.
The Deamon groaned, Gwalchavad disconnected and danced backwards, preparing himself for the next attack. Alexos countered merciless. He smashed his fist into Gwalchavads mask making him fly through the air. The stunned primarch was able to recover, but the warp infused muscles of Alexos gave Gwalchavad barely any time. He charged in, letting down overhelming attacks with his spear which Gwalchavad could hardly escape, and then he struck forward with his energized claw. Unknown pain exploded in Gwalchavads chest as the Deamon ripped through his armor and tore one of the primarch's pumping hearts out.
Gwalchavad toppled, his remaining hearts pumping wild. Gwalchavads vision faded, but he forced himself up, just in time to block a fast blow with his black blades. Alexos and Gwalchavad stared at each other over their weapons. On one side the burning insanity of Alexos, on the other the calm silence of Gwalchavad. Alexos forced Gwalchavad slowly down, but, in an eyeblink Gwalchavad jumped backwards. Kicking the deamon primarch in the stomach, the knife still stuck there bit deeper into the flesh of the fowl beast. Fast like the wind he turned a counterattack from alexos around and with a riposte he cut through the field generator of Alexos spear. Thanks to his centuries of training, Gwalchavad was able to dodge three exposive strikes from Alexos claw, but then suddenly when Gwalchavad focussed, Alexos was gone.
Gwalchavad searched for his enemy irritated. Not believing that his former pupil could vanish so quickly, suddenly a sting of pain hit him in the side. Alexos stood a few metres away and had used Gwlachavads hidden blade against him. Gwalchavad jerked the knife out, barely believing his brother had made such a cowardly move. Alexos stared bemused at the wounded primarch. The white knight threw the knife aside in disgust and charged at the laughing enemy. Alexos savoured the sight of Gwalchavads pain and awaited the next attack. The Primarch aimed for Alexos chest, but as Alexos melted away like water, his black blade smashed into the shoulder. Even as Gwalchavads skill and speed increased, his attacks didn’t connect. All his strikes where dodged, the former Primarch simply melting away and Gwalchavads attempts were like trying to cut water with a sword. Even his formidable skills found no way of defeating his lost brother.
Once the hellish figure had enough of this play, he attacked with full force, Gwalchavad was like a leaf in the wind, encountering a tornado. Gwalchavad crashed hard on the floor, one of his blades ripped from his hands and a gushing wound on his lower belly.
Alexos walked slowly to the wounded figure, throwing his broken spear and parts of Gwalchavads armor to the floor. „Brother….you should have joined us…You shouldn’t have declined my offer…now there is nothing left for you…only death!!!" Alexos then lifted the beaten warrior over his deformed head, ready to throw him into the abyss. As he threw the primarch, Gwalchavad whispered softly „Forgive me brother, I have failed us…forgive me…“ Gwalchavad lost all hope of saving his brother and removed his mask while he fell. The mask flew besides Alexos head and suddenly burning eyes met white glowing orbs.
Time froze...
Gwalchavad saw the madness in his brothers eyes. The eternal damnation that Alexos had chosen. But then he also saw his brother who looked back at him. His former tutor, his former pupil. Then Alexos pain, as the reality bended and Alexos's soul was sucked out of his deamonic form while looking into Gwalchavads eyes. His deamon form slowly burned inward as it dissolved into the warp.
Time moved on...
Gwalchavad hit the ground hard, landing on top of a Eagle Warrior rhino, crushing the front half whole.
He stared around him, tears painting his face. And... He screamed and moaned out of sorrow into the air of ancient Terra….
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Great story, but also...
I saw you`re a german on B&C, right? (Biste Deutscher Keule oda watt?)
If yes, we should go on with our conversation on my profile or as pm`s, because out of respect to the people that won`t understand us otherwise...
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Yeah, because of that i chose her and she did surpass my Wildest dreams. One who really understood my wishes Even if i haven't wrote a Lot of fluff now. But just a few words and she grasped my idea behind the character.
i have a nem commission for her. I Hope you will like too, when it is done
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Your concept of mystery reminds me of J.J. Abrahams in a sense.
Also, I expected someone to make one of the Missing Primarchs female ! xD
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I've just read his story. Damn, Malcador was such an asshole.
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is this the japaneses theme primacrch? looks good!
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I visited your site. You are from malaysia. Any legends or lore i can take for the legion cause thst really fits the world Location
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south east asia is quite rich with art and lore. you can draw indonesian, thailand and malaysian stuffs for inspiration.
for example... this is a kriss, a stabing weapon u can work into a power sword
ancientpoint.com/imgs/a/f/v/m/…
armor design u can get inspiration from Thai statues
s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/7…
as for lore. i think indonesia and thailand has more than malaysia.
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Woah thx. That is great. But one thing: no swords.
The Wardens don't use any kind of sword.
But i try to get the armordesign for special units in that direction.
Is there a tale similar to maybe arthurian tale?
I was a few years ago in malaysia. Best food I tasted during my trip through south east asia. What is the secret of yoir rice? It is distinct from the rest.
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no swords? just guns?
to be honest. i dunno much about legends here. theres only a hand full and not very epic. or magical...
lol our food? haha thank you. i dunno. maybe we use alot of herb and spice? its tastey but its not very healthy.
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Who needs healthy if he can habe tasty
No swords. But axes, spears, tonfas etc. swords are doomed as beeing only eligable for war and have the only purose to kill. With an ax you can chop wood. With a spear you can hunt. Tonfas were used to smash corn etc.
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oh how strange. marines are made for war. why is yours made for farming lol?
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Yeah. Big E did a mistske and trained a peasant legion
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and thats why he wipe all trances of them...
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yep, it was a hillarious end^^
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Yeah. In don't wanted to make an samurai legion. As i draw the style from asia I wanted to take the lore from things I knew
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yeah samurai themed has been done. so yeah lets try something new.
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No. South east asian with blending of gaelic legends.
Or easier: Gaelic Names and asian weapon and fighting styles.
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A Primarch that is also a Blank? Amazing! This is actually just what the Imperium needs.
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They could have needed him, but they decided to wipe him from history. Well at least in the canonverse. We have a special project running where he is still alive. If you are interested, just look here
www.bolterandchainsword.com/to…
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That's madness. Why would they wipe a Primarch so invaluable from history? After all, the Imperium uses Blanks to ward off psykers and daemons.
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You know that we are Talking about 30k?
The decissions made are Most of the Time Not thought though clear enough. We habe a grim dark Future, where aus I See it, Most of the decissions made are Not for the Long run, but for the immediate future.
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I know, but are Blanks not used to fight against daemons and psykers in the immediate future? Ah well, that's the incompetence of corrupt Imperium authorities for you.
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You got it. Even of they Had the key for Peace of the Galaxy in hand, they would Choose to destroy it, if there Could be an immediate problem
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The work itself is amazing, just as always. Seems like it is a constant level of quality and the artist is simply incapable to create something of a lesser quality. I have no questions about Veronica's talent but... The blank primarch? Seriously? The concept itself is REALLY questionable to me. Just think a bit about this: even a single culexus is extremely dangerous to anyone who is not blank as well. Culexii are accompanied by custodes because they are the only non-blank living beings capable to resist culexus' devastating aura long enough without irreparable consequences. Culexii can not control their aura, they can only wear special, very sophisticated helmets to mute it to the level acceptable for accompanying custodii. Without them wearing helmet custodii would die very fast just like anyone else. Also culexii are extremely dangerous for any kind of demonic creatures, they are deadly even for higher demons and demon-princes since they can't see culexii or feel their presense in other ways, therefore having no possibility to defend themselves against devastating aura, which is even more effective against psykers, demons and other creatures with high level of psy-powers. Now we have to remember that culexii are just humans. Very well trained ones, having exceptional natural level of ability, but still just humans. Now try to imagine how much more powerful would be the primarch having those powers! Who could resist his power? Who could even remain on the same planet with him and avoid his aura? His father couldn't for sure. Primarch with culexus power could probably single-handedly fight entire gods of Chaos and win, not even mentioning entire legion of space marines with such power. But let us forget all this for a moment and ask probably the most interesting question: how exactly is it possible to even create a primarch with such power at all? We know that all the primarchs are based on Emperor's DNA. How came that humankind's most powerful psyker created humankind's most powerful pariah (or at least blank) using his own DNA? That seems questionable even taking into account Emperor's godlike genetic design skills. But let us presume it actually happened somehow. Then the question appears: why would Emperor dismiss the entire legion of his easily the best weapons against anything of demonic nature or psy-threats? That is simply stupid. But let us presume it happened anyway. The primarch disappeared without a trace (with such power he would cast so big shadow in a warp that it would be no problem to track him down) and his legion is dismissed and shared between Ultramarines and the Word Bearers. What does it mean? Right, those two legions must've had extreme amount of pariahs and blanks in it's ranks! It is not quite what we can see. Instead, we can see very rare, episodic appearances of blank space marines, who had this ability before tranformation.
So, summarizing all this, it is a very questionable concept of a lost primarch (even for me), yet very interesting one at the same time. It can never become official because it would completely ruin the balance of powers in the uneverse.
Ladies and gentleman, you were listening to my inner nerd. I apologize for this and thank you for your attention and patience. Have a good day.
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Yeah, well sorry dude, but it seems like you got some things in your fluff totally wrong.
1. Humans feel uncomfortable and have a strange feeling of disgust for blanks and especially Pariahs (blanks= "weak", non-dominant pariah-gene, Pariah= Dominant and strong Pariah gene), but they don`t suffer any physical effects or even death from their non-psychic effect or their presence. Read "Pariah" from Dan Abnett. Or the whole Eisenhorn (know about his school called "The Distaff"?) or Ravenor trilogies. And what about the "Sisters of Silence"? A whole female Ordo full of pariahs, and what happened? Did they destroy the galaxy or entire planets with their "blankness"? Did the people around them drop dead after a while? Even when they turned on and off their blocking devices? Were they able to conquer the gods of the warp just like that, because they were sooo powerfull? No. Pariahs are extremely dangerous to any psychic being, like psykers, demons and so on. But they don`t harm humans physically with their special ability.
Or maybe you simply take a look here:warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bl…
2. Culexus are accompanied by Custodes? I`ve read some stories and novels about assassins by now, "Nemesis" for example that featured an Culexus assassin, but there was no word of some custodes. The culexus just travelled with the other guys just like that and when it unleashed it`s blankness against the Thousand Son it was hunting,, every other non-psyker-person, was totally uneffected by its doings. If there was some kind of fluff leading to what you say, then please post a link.
I know, the fluff changes from time to time, and it may was a thing ages ago with your custodes-thing, but for real: I never heard of that, nor stands here: warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Cu…
And how the Emperor would have been able to create such genes? Well, just like he created any other primarch. Everyone has his own special ability. And weaknesses. Angron for example seems to be completely unable to do any psychic shit, while Magnus nearly rivals the Emperors powers. So why not turning that magic stuff off entirely in one of his creations? It would be extremely reasonable to me, because it would be a extremely powerfull weapon against the gods of the warp. And we all know, that they helped him to create the primarchs and that they would come and demand their payback for their informations, so this primarch and its legion would have been a perfect weapon in the Emperors hand to say "Fuck You Gods, I`m out, now eat this...".
Well, this said, it is completely possible to have a primarch and a legion full of pariahs. No, it`s not just possible. The big question is: Why did nobody think of this before, BECAUSE it is completely logical and would be such a mighty weapon to the Imperium? They could battle demons even better and much more effective, than the fucking Grey Knights, or what?
Thank you! This was my inner nerd let loose. Don`t worry, he`s caged again, at least for a while.
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Oh well... Sorry dude, I just discovered private message section right now, so... You may just think i'm completely retarded and you're gonna be not very far from truth... Anyway, I see your points against my points and they are perfectly reasonable... For the most part. You see, author of the concept stated his creation as blank/(slash)pariah primarch. So i'm using the pariah combination as more powerful since it seems more logical for me. I guess it would be fair if primarch himself would have maximum potential of his specialized gene whereas his legionaries would mostly have passive pariah gene and some of them would have more powerful pariah abilities (obviously not as powerful as primarch himself). Think about it - it would just nicely fit into general primarch-legion concept where primarch has one extremely strong ability, some most prominent legionaries (usually captains or designated legion champions) legionaries have this ability on weaker level and most part of legion has it on rudimentary level.
About culexii accompanied by custodes... Well, i can only provide you with some links which would unlikely be of any help for you since it is russian
About Emperor's ability to create pariahs/blanks from his own genes... Well, it looks really illogical to me to be able to create your absolute opposite from his own genes. It's like create a genius from imbecil's genetic material. Actually, it's not even impossible - he could actually take genetic material from outside to incept it into genetic matrix, it wouldn't be of any proble for such an outstanding genetic architect BUT... My main point is Emperor would NEVER create a primarch with ability to easily supress his power by just being present not very far away from him. He would never create his greatest threat by his own hands, that's just plane stupidity.
Also, my most obvious point which you never answered on is that: we now know for certain that two rogue legions were disbanded and most of it's former legionaries replenished ranks of two other legions which became the biggest after that event - The Word Bearers and Ultramarines. That means we would have to observe an enormous amount of blanks with accidental appearances of pariahs in the ranks of those two legions, although we actually don't see any anomalies like that. In fact, among all the books (and I read pretty much all of the books relating to wh40k) I have been encountered a blank space marine ONCE. Also, he belonged to some unknown order established millenias after heresy and most likely had his blank ability on birth. Ah, and he was serving in the Death Watch (unsurprisingly).
So yeah, summarizing all I said before, my main point is the Emperor would never create the ultimate weapon against Chaos Gods simply because it would be also the ultimate weapon against himself which is just silly.
Cheers and i can only hope you're gonna forgive me this 4-week (fuck me) delay. Also, keep your inner nerd healthy and good fed. It might just happen that at some moment you suddenly realize he was the best part of you.
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Okay, if that 2 points are left, then I shall reply on them too. At least I try to, because 40k lore (especially when it comes to the lost ones) is extremely vague. For a good reason: It should leave some space for creativity and everybody would be able to fill the open slots with his own creations.
Anyway let`s go...
Your first point is, that remaining forces of the 2 lost legions were integrated into the Word Bearers and the Ultramarines. That is very vague and though there were rumors written in some novels about such a thing, it was never canon. And these rumors even only mention the higher number of recruits after the two legions disappeared, which means there COULD have been some new neophytes/aspirants/scouts without any modifications or even implanted geneseed that would make them fully "blank". They are not born as pariahs, they may have some potential but it`s the transformation to a full blown space marine, that reveals the blankness. So they would just have taken the kids, made them to Word Bearers/Ultrasmurfs and they would just have become normal, boring Word Bearers/Girlymans. But it is just as possible, if not even more possible, that the two legions were erased completely without anything left. The Wolves that were often referred to the job, are pretty serious with this "let none survive" orders.
Second point is that you can`t believe that the emperor would do such stupid things. Well, at this point, I could sit here and write more pages about stupid things that the Emperor did in my eyes than the Black Library ever published. For real. He`s a million times smarter than we all together and did things, worthy of being featured in a Marx Brothers movie.
Examples?
-"Telling all my sons about the gods of the warp because otherwise they could fall for their tricks? No, I don`t think so..."
-"Leaving the Crusade to create my webway project but don`t tell anyone shit about it because I trust my sons enough to give them all the power in the galaxy, but i don`t trust them enough to keep their mouth shut about that? Great idea!"
-"Banning psychers and librarians from the legions? Marvelous! Who needs those powerfull weapons against the warp and demons anyway? Fuck them I say! What could possibly go wrong with that idea?"
-the list goes on. Especially that Nikaea thing is ridiculous.
But my main point against your argument that he wouldn`t create such a pariah-primarch because such a son would be a threat to him and could supress his own powers is another one. Maybe such a primarch could supress the Emperors powers (what is questionable because the emperor always kept some kind of balance that made him the superior being in the end), but that doesn`t mean he would be able to supress a bolter round going through his head. So, the Emperor would feel, that his powers wouldn`t work and simply smack the living shit out of his son. Or another primarch would do that for him with pleasure. How would that be a bigger threat to big E than all his other sons that could all do a decent amount of damage to the Imperium too (and in fact half of them did, remember?). Maybe the Emperor couldn`t destroy such a son with his psychic powers, but why should he?
Emperor:"Oh, I can`t throw a lightning at you?
Take that!"
*PUNCH*
Everything back to normal.
And being cut off from his powers doesn`t mean shit. It would be a short period of confusion with some consequences but who cares? Compared to the possible win that such an army would gain to the forces of the Imperium it is nothing of a risk at all. Every Legion could do a lot of damage. They were all worth the risk so why not a blanky?
In the end, everything is possible and nothing is carved in stone when it comes to the lost legions. That`s what I like about 40k. You can discuss for hours about it and everybody is right. It`s a sheer theoretical thing sometimes, while other things are completely canon and unquestionable.
At least until the next novel or codex is published...
Finally, here`s alink to undermine my points a little. But even that is pretty vague and far from being revealing the true truehfull truth.
warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Lo…
See ya mate!
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Alrite, i take it you forgive me ^^.
Very well, let's discuss just a bit more.
You say that incorporating former lost legion's members into existing ones is probably unback... Well, it might be the case, though I thought GW is found so convinient to just automatically claim official any heresy written by their pocket writers who is chained by their contracts. I've seen those demotivators with ADB saying "I am your BACK", you know, and I take it seriously. But you may just be right, i can't deny such possibility.
Then you list that stupid shit big daddy did when he was still able to... Well, although many of those things look stupid for us, I have to say there can be many hidden motives and unknown circumstances forcing him to do so. Well, actually Nikaea doesn't count. It was totally moronic move which i can't explain.
Then goes your main point and that one is something i can't agree with. You see, there is no such thing as just being stripped of psy-power by a pariah. It can be so in case of a mere blank, though even then it is a rgeat pain in the psyker's ass, not just getting rid of power. Pariah, on countrary, makes psyker feel inredible pain and even his simple presence near psyker is potentially fatal, depending on time of presence and how powerful is pariah and... Moreover, it depends even more on how powerful is that psyker being affected by a pariah. The more powerful is psyker - the more destructive would be pariah's influence on him. In case of big daddy you can do the math - it would be pretty much instant overkill with uncomperhensible yet possibly pleasing consequences like instant transformation of the Sun into supernova or maybe collapsing the whole Sol system into black hole... Who knows. Just check that "Pariah" page on that wiki you pointed me yourself to ensure i'm telling you no bullsit. Also, i read somewhere that Cabal used to hire something they were calling "Black Pariah" who appears to be a pariah (CO to the rescue) of uncomparable power, capable to kill emperor by using just a drop of his blood no matter where he would be located in the Universe... It might be just a myth though.
Anyway, nice to meet somebody you actually can have a peasing, civilized discussion with. Cheers.
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Nice to meet you too. Mature conversations became a rare sight these days. Sad but true.
Well, I guess we exchanged enough arguments and pointed out enough possibilities to write a whole series of novels about that matter now. I could add, that the Emperor is such a fucking awesome being, that he surely would find a way to kick such an attackers ass but it`s all speculation.
And that`s what we should agree on. There are points, that make a blank legion possible and even pretty usefull, and there are points that might speak against it. I guess, in the end it`s all just a concept and in my eyes a pretty interesting one. When I look at all the other lost-legion projects (that are nearly 80% Samurai/Ninja/Asian themed btw) i found it a refreshing idea. Look how long we two talked about it. It surely has some substance.
Oh, and I`ve read about "Giant Legions", "Ratpeople Legions", "Beastmen-Legions", "Midget Legions" (no, not squats), "Fishpeople Legions" and whatever else you can imagine. Also, a lot of those projects just take an existing concept and simply make them heretic and then they think they`re a genius. And it feels like an asian Lost legion pops up every week somewhere.
Anyway, nice conversation. Could go on for eternity, but would lead nowhere in the end I guess.
So let`s shake hands and cal it a tie, agreed?
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Absolutely. Also, check out the culexus page on that wiki - it contains everything I said before about culexus's power nature and effects it provides against psych and non-psych entities, how their helmets work and that fact they actually are accompanied by specially appointed custodes to operate their helmets (unleash their power at the right moment). So, it turns out my source provided me with correct information after all. Also, the page about pariahs contains information about the Black Pariah i mentioned before, though i was mistaken by claiming he was hired by Cabal, whereas wiki tells he was somehow converted to the Chaos side by Erebus (using Slaanesh knows what torturing techniques, since they actually worked on imperial assassin, who supposed to be immune to pretty much any tortures. Also, it has some extremely weird information that just confuses me - wiki mentiones some kind of a ritual, during which Black Pariah was somehow bond to a deamon (sic!)... Pariah... bond to a deamon??? Really?? Those stupid GW pocket writers don't give a single fuck about GW's own fluff). It is also questionable how the hell Erebus himself managed to survive direct meeting face to face with galaxy's most powerful pariah, but... Bonding him with deamon just eclipses that completely.
Anyway, you're right, there's nothing more to discuss, so i think i'm gonna switch to Mikhal instead.
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Sorry to just jump in here, cause the discussion is very interesting.
what of the Sisters of Silence? they are often shwon at the emporors side, but he has no problems with it.
One Thing I considered was, that Big E striked a bargain with the gods ofchaos in order to create the primarchs ( in old fluff this wasn't the case and the whole molech thing is kinda weird.) So pariahpowers come from the gene, so it wouldn't be a problem to isolate it and implement it into a baby primarch. at least not for the emperor. What if he did exactly that as sort of insurrance against the chaos gods if they ever will go against him? that is something the emperor would do. and you know, that humans have active and inactive genes in there body? so i envisioned it that way, that the gene was inactive and could onlöy be activated under a great portion of stress, for examble vile deamons eating on a baby primarchs soul when he is in a damaged gestation pod in space.
and that solves the other mistery, the increase in the branks of ultras and bearers and no blanks. in my story the terranborn marines were responsible for kiling their primarch and they got the geneseed from the probes back on terra, which contain the inactive pariahgene. so no wonder we have no blanks.
do you have more input on that black pariah? kinda interesting
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Hey there, sorry for not responding that message you sent me weeks ago, but i really just discovered this private section like yesterday
Okay, about sisters of silence... First of all, wiki says they are just mere blanks, there are no pariahs among them. It is reasonable since pariahs are so damn rare so it would make much more sense to convert each of them into culexus. Using pariahs for witchhunting feels like a waste. About blanks (passive pariah gene bearers) wiki mentiones that their abilities are actually much weaker than full-pledged pariahs (active gene bearers), so it would just weaken psyker's powers (if he's a powerful one) just enough to make it possible to take him into the Black Ship and send to the Terra for further use (either for making them authorized imperial psykers or using them as a fuel for Astronomikon). Sisters were never supposed to kill psykers they are hunting, just contain them for those psykers are valuable resource for Imperium! Weak psykers with rudimentary abilities could just lose them completely under the influence of Sister's aura, whereas very powerful one could overcome it's effect so for his containment it would be needed more than one Sister. In some cases much more than one. So i take it that such a powerful psyker as a big dad himself would easily overcome sister's aura influence, not even mentioning that fact I actually never heard about him leading Sisters directly.
About possibility to aquire the pariah gene from outside with further impregnating it into primarch's genetic matrix - I mentioned before it wouldn't be of any problem for such a master of genetics. It would be extremely dumb from the point of common sense though. Even Emperor wouldn't do such a stupidly daring thing. Remember, the more powerful is the psyker - the faster is his imminent destruction in presence of a pariah. And when it comes to most powerful psyker with most powerful pariah in one room, well... Things might come really ugly. It wouldn't be such a big problem were you made your primarch a blank one instead of pariah, though. But in that case he wouldn't be an ultimate weapon against daemonic creatures and psych threats, just a more powerful enemy.
As for active and inactive genes - that doesn't work that way. Active genes in your DNA are directly involved into developing your body and character, making you a unique person. On countrary, passive ones can't make any influence on your organism under any circumstances, they are just present in a DNA for further transmission to your children, so they may potentially get some of that genes activated for the sake of genetic diversity. As for pariah gene in that case there can only be three states: 1) you don't have it; 2) you have a passive form of it which makes you "blank"; 3) you have active form of it which makes you "pariah", my apologies
And finally, the Black Pariah... It is present in "Nemesis" by James Swallow which is generally not bad, but it contains some major bullsit about bonding universe's most powerful pariah to some deamon (OMG that is so bullsit, i have no words to describe the level of stupidity) and other things like that (capturing mentioned pariah by Erebus - another very powerful psyker, for instance). If you want a short version you can visit this page , he's mentioned at the end of it. Also you can read about any other interesting things about pariahs and anything related.
Nice to talk to you, cheers!
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Note that I haven't read through the legion yet
Blank Primarch? Ooh... I can only imagine how exactly he and the XI Legion would go haywire... Necron Space Marine Pariahs... An ENTIRE legion of them...
Well, just an equivalent of (super) heavily-armored (with living metals) Necron Warriors at best, maybe; wonder if the Necrons would find Gene-Seed interesting and recreating something new entirely.
Don't know much about Necrons yet
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No pissed of the big emps and the other primarchs because he was pro xenos. Well and because he was too dangerous to let run free. Look on oberons critique for why. He makes vallid points. But without reading the fluff you can't comprehend the idea behind
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