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hahahaha im a kisaita fan and i hate itasasu BUT THIS AWMAHGAWD YHIS IS SUPERFUCKINHILARIOUS!!! ROFLOLMAO
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This made me laugh, like, stupid hard. You make me happy XD
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that is not what happened!,you left out that Kisame said that is not good for your body when Itachi was standing in the rain and the part after orochimaru died where kisame asked itachi if he was ok when Itachi was zoning out looking into the sunj set because he sensed orochimaru the pedo snake was dead.
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hahahahaha I never saw these before xD I love the way you draw Itachi's chibi face xD
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lol I'm a fan of ItaSasu but also KisaIta and I think both work very well. In the canon I can (imagine) see Kisame's unrequited love for Itachi. But then I also see Naruto's love of Sasuke, Sakura's love of Sai etc etc. It's fun to make believe and that way everyone gets their way. ^^
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This made me laugh, like, stupid hard. You make me happy XD
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NOOOOOOOO! it would never be! Kisame is in love with Itachi! it is evident!....... no ItaSasu
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yes, kisame is an itasasu fan, because ive seen him going behind the scenes to secretly get deidara to draw some for him!!! XD DUN DUN DUUUUUUUH.
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yeah just one problem : Deidara was already dead when Itachi and Sasuke fought xD
I like actually KisaIta more because I don't like Brother Love ( this way! )
but hey, everyone has his own favorite pairing x3
( at least it's yaoi and not a few OCXCanon freak xD )
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oh boy most of the OCs I see are marysues! its horrible! there are the few exceptions that are kinda cool....I have yet to find them.
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well I found one :
GaaraXKira
Kira is the OC from my uke's friend and she accepts it when someone like GaaraXMatsuri x3
but the most OCXCanon are urgh! I could puke to that point o-O
I wrote at one video something about SasoDei
Answer from Dei-Fangirl : NU! Damn bitch! SasoDei is impossible! Sasori that f*cking puppet is that! DeiDei-Kun is mine!
Serious... I wanted to kill her, cause Sasori is my fav-char -.-
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its funny when fangirls think they own characters....you see so many of them who own one character, its like, "Okay, so who really owns him? O_o"
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I agree...
I Like only OCXCanon when they admit there are also CanonXCanon
I was an OCXCanon Freak once,too but I jumped over to yaoi *_* It's so much more better.
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hahah I used to like yaoi, I grew out of it I guess!?
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it could. now if only we could get background on the akatsuki characters we dont have any on.
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YEAH!!! GROOOAAARRHHH
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ItaKisa doesn't work because Itachi is not gay.
And he sure as hell is NOT an incestuous pedophile. He would never bone Sasuke.
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If Uchiha Itachi is gay, then deserts are wet, snow is warm, mountains are flat, and I'm a boy.
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Don't you have a better way to spend your free time..?
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Don't you have better things to draw than beautiful characters being totally subverted?
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Ah-- If you put it like this, no, I'll keep drawing beautiful characters being totally subverted just to bother you since it's what I obviously live for.
In return you can keep pairing beautiful characters with you, which is so much more awesome.
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Seriously. Why is turning a beautiful character that the mangaka worked hard to create into a shallow gay incestuous pedophile suitable only for fulfilling masturbatory fantasies a good thing? I'm sure that if any Yaoi fangirl met a REAL incestuous pedophile, she sure as hell wouldn't be squeeing.
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What makes you think that such a characterization would be "shallow"? And what makes you think that it would just "fulfill masturbatory fantasies"?
Just because you don't understand something it doesn't allow you to speak as if you knew another person's reasons, nor it allows you to judge them.
And definitely your ignorance is not an excuse to suppose you know EVERYTHING about a character you didn't create in the first place: as far as I know, Itachi killed everyone in his clan but his little brother, because his feelings for him were stronger than those for his own parents, friends and presumed girlfriend; this canon ambiguity is enough to make me wonder about their relationship, the feelings they held for each other and let me imagine them in certain situations.
They're fictional characters and the beauty that the pairing, their feelings and emotions create is secluded to a fictional sphere, that's why one could like it without being a "gay incestuous pedophile" and more than less sympathizing for them.
I can tell the difference between reality and fiction, and, as a reader and fan of Naruto, Itachi belongs to me as he belongs to you.
Besides, it's kinda grottesque that you're writing such things in comment to a picture which is meant to poke fun to the yaoi genre and fangirls themselves.
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Looks like I got the wrong message from the picture. What it looked like to me was "Itachi wants to bone his own brother instead of his partner."
I was talking about the nature of most Yaoi fanfiction. FFnet is clogged with ten million SasuNaru "stories" that are nothing but gay porn with no plot and are all the same (I'd hate SasuNaru even if I was a Yaoi fan). Now, there are smart Yaoi fans, including a friend of mine, but almost all the ones I see are sick-minded idiots. (I don't mean you; you seem quite intelligent.) And Yaoi and Yuri that isn't canon is crossing lines. Naruto is not Gravitation. Bleach is not Loveless. If Shonen Jump was supposed to have Yaoi in it, it would be called Yaoi Jump. If any of the characters were gay, the mangaka would have proved it. And there is nothing beautiful about incest or pedophilia in any way, shape, or form. KakaSaku, GaaTem, and NejiHina are just as bad. I care for my four-year-old brother very much. Does that mean I want to screw him? And on top of all that, Assuke doesn't deserve anyone. He deserves death.
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Aha, all of this over one picture? You surely bide your time well.
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If you got the wrong message I guess you didn't read it at all.
My English is not the best (sorry in advance if some parts of my replies are incomprehensible because of this) but it was quite blatant that it was Kisame cherishing Itasasu fantasies, not Itachi.
I think you're missing some vital points in your discussion.
First, YAOI is SUPPOSED to be mere gay porn with no plot (despite every personal interpretation of the author or a certain pairing or character), and being related to "innocent" series (mostly shonen series, definitely male-oriented) is its peculiarity: it's a typically female-oriented genre where authors go free with their own views and interpretations on characters from series that they loved but that were obviously focusing on other subjects than romance; the main medium for yaoi is doujinshi, or an amateur magazine where characters from already existing series were portrayed in romantic situations, even if those relations where barely hinted in the original series.
You're complaining about Narusasu (which relationship is already heavily hinted in canon: of course you're never going to get Kishimoto drawing Naruto and Sasuke having sex or getting married, but look at how their relationship is the main focus of the series: no other heterosexual or canon pairing has so much focus in the manga -And I'm not saying so because I'm a Narusasu fan, I actually quite dislike the pairing, I'm just stating the obvious) but you know that the most popular Naruto pairing in Japan is KakaIru? And they barely got to talk to each other in canon. YAOI doesn't care about canon; some pairings or views on characters are completely fanon, and in the most cases they contribute in making people appreciating the canon characters or relationships more because they focus on details that the canon story ignores for the sake of the main narration: that's not a bad thing, this is actually enriching the canon with your own contribution.
Having people intrigued and interested in characters, see what the fans do with them and how they react to certain plot-twists, this is an author's main goal and joy.
As I already said, I'm not justifying or encouraging pedophilia or incest in real life, but you can't deny that such themes are always been sources for interesting and inspiring material concerning human nature, and a good chance to seriously confront and relate to the issue, morally or just as a fun fetish to play with in your mind: just think about Greek tragedies (Oedipus, Electra and many more), mithology (from Japanese to Ancient Egyptian) and modern literature (Lolita, to give you an example)... It's the reader's obligation to deal with such themes instead of just dismissing them as disgusting.
Then yes, I read "Girls" of a certain Kelman and I found it utterly disgusting but I also caught the inner sadness and desperation, the emptiness of the protagonist and it amused me.
In YAOI at least the characters are willing and happy (in most cases-- There are also people who enjoy Noncon and such) and as a fangirl you enjoy the nice and interesting relationship that those characters are having, as an inteligent being, you appreciate how it relates to canon and how it could be more or less plausible.
Also, remember that hystorically speaking, incest (expecially between cousins) was particularly approved and encouraged, expecially within ninja clans, to guarantee a proper (secret and exclusive) transmission of heritage, being it cultural or genetical: Uchiha and Hyuuga are probably like that-- they need to keep their blood "pure" to make sure their doujutsu is adequately transmitted to each member. Itachi was probably engaged to a cousin (and remember how Kishimoto played with the role of Shisui, which was Itachi's cousin whom he saw as an older brother: it was not like saying "Itachi and Shisui had an affair" but it was a strong hint in that sense --Just think that some Japanese fans theorized that Shisui was a girl because of it) and Neji/Hinata or Neji/Hanabi are probably the first options for Hiashi to get his daughters married with a worth mate.
Also, remember that in those times girls were considered ready for marriage as they got their first menstruations and were usually married to older husbands. In addition to this, the Japanese culture (as many more) has always been particularly fond of brotherly love relationships and older/younger dynamics: usually the younger idolizes and loves the older and the older feels the need to protect and lead the younger in a way that usually turns into romance (think about the lovely "Maison Ikkoku", where Kyoko actually married her own High School professor, an later got engaged to Godai, a younger Universitary student --Would you dismiss that romance masterpiece as an immoral and disgusting story?): this is an alienating concept to us Western people living in modern times, where everything is dirtier and uglier, but it must be considered when dealing with Eastern culture and past to appreciate it properly in every of its hidden shades.
So, when you keep referring to those shades in such vulgar terms you're not being morally superior to me or some other random YAOI fangirl, you're just being superficial and ignorant. And also pretty disturbing, since you keep making comparisons to actual and real facts.
And I love Sasuke. I found his stubborness delightful and his characterization amusing: it makes me wonder if he's just acting cool and suppressing his feelings to avoid suffering or he's actually giving up on feelings to avoid further suffering. The way he cried when thinking of Itachi broke my heart.
His final fight against Naruto is going to be emotionally AWESOME, I know--!
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Eh... Sometimes I am an idiot and totally don't understand stuff, and then I'll do something stupid.
That's actually one problem I have with Yaoi. More often than not, it's not fandom; it's perversion. I hope to become a bestselling writer, and, if after publishing my work, I went to FFnet and saw fangirls who read my books taking some of my male characters, making them gay for each other, ignoring how I characterized them, and putting down my female characters for no reason, I would be glad that people liked my books, but also upset that some fans didn't give a crap about who my characters were and how hard I worked to make them. I do understand the whole Eastern-culture aspect (as a writer, I do a lot of research), and I do like family relationships (they are an interesting and beautiful topic, particularly for me, who comes from a large family), but that doesn't make incest or pedophilia right. The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice; does that make it OK? In India, six-year-old girls get wed to eighty-five-year-old farts, and when those old farts die soon after, the poor girls get treated like crap because it's thought that widows must be stripped of all happiness. Is that perfectly fine either? I don't approve of it in either real life or the literary world. However, I don't mind large age gaps when one half of the couple is a god/goddess, an angel, a creature of the night, or some other supernatural being. That kind of romance is very interesting to write. I especially love the idea of Vampire x Human love and love to write about it, since I associate very much with vampires (I even look like one, I hate sunlight and garlic, and I think blood tastes good).
I despise Sasuke with a passion. I won't pick on people for liking him, but the day I like Uchiha Sasuke is the day pigs fly. He's a spoiled, whiny brat who angsts too much, thinks he has to be THE BEST at everything, can't grasp the concept of teamwork, and doesn't give a crap about people who care about him. More importantly, he is a Gary Stu who "wins" fights using deus ex machinae that totally ruin the entire plotline. I hate Mary Sues and Gary Stus (although some are actually quite redeemable and I seek to help make them into strong characters), and I hate bad plotlines. Kishimoto's plot makes me wonder if he got advice from George Lucas. Everything from Sasuke vs. Deidara onward is crap. It has no value to me.
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I repeat, YAOI IS PORN. If you have a problem with YAOI because of its pervert bits then you should say the same about hentai and yuri.
Then you can do ridiculous things like Anne Rice & Co., prohibiting the people to write fanfictions about your books.
But this won't stop people from fantasizing about gay porn between Armand and Louis.
You must understand that this kind of stuff is not a way to disrespect an author's work or stole his characters to profit of it, but to show that you appreciate it and you wanted to contribute to his artistic process.
I mean, you should know, since you write fanfictions. You wrote them because you think you're a better storyteller than the original author or because you sincerely love the characters he created? If you approve of the latter then your polemic is useless; if otherwise, you're the one who's abusing the original characters to cherish your "perversions".
I'm not saying that these things are RIGHT, I'm saying that they are INTERESTING.
Also Itachi is a torturer and a killer but are you complaining about it?
I personally see stories about humans and mythological creatures as a childish entertainment, but you're free to get intrigued in whatever you please.
I don't see any defect in what you list as "crap" on Sasuke's characterization.
He worked hard to be the best and the fight against Itachi taught him that he really wasn't as the fight against Kirabii showed him that he was barely as good as his older brother (in fact he escaped death by using Itachi's Amaterasu) or better than his teammates.
Plus, he always got seriously injuried after his fights and he defeated Orochimaru and Itachi because they were ill in the first place and he acknowledged it. I think you're just sore because you didn't get him to act as you wanted him to do. Personally, I'm happy and intrigued.
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I dislike hentai and Yuri as well. Porn of all forms is not creative and encourages people to do bad things. Now, I normally go by "to each his own", but when there's over 1000 pages of garbage (SasuNaru) that can't even be called writing and goes to the same tune, or I have to pick through nothing but Yaoi in order to find just one good Itachi picture, I become less tolerant. I really shouldn't have commented here, though; I was an idiot and acted without thinking.
I know. And I wouldn't do that. I know what the purpose of fanfiction is, but a lot of people don't see it like that. Too many "writers" don't give a crap about who the characters are. I do. I write for both reasons, actually. It's actually quite a challenge to write a good story free of plot holes, Mary Sues, and deus ex machinae, especially when the creator has failed to do so, as well as to stay true to the characters and make what I want to happen happen in a realistic way.
He's still a Gary Stu and only "won" any of those fights by deus ex machinae--one of the seven deadly sins of writing. Those things you mentioned don't lessen his Stu-ness. You're free to like him, but I cannot bring myself to support Mary Sues or Gary Stus. I once created a Mary Sue, but when I realized that she was one and my story was full of plot holes, I went back and fixed it. Now people are saying she is a strong, interesting character.
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Errr. I guess our discussion is pointless. You're just telling me that you don't like things, but this is your own tastes not some artistic dogma.
People do have sex in weird ways, people have pervert thoughts and some people would engage in some immoral activity just to have fun: I'm not saying that it's good or cool, but it could happen. Just because you don't like it or you have another vision of a character or a pairing, that's not a reason to say that "It's all crap" or that we "Sympathize with pedophiles" because you have no authority to bother a person like that: your wods are those of a fan towards another fan; if you don't like these things you're more than free to ignore them.
If you wanna write a good story free of plot-holes and Mary-sues you should write original pieces in the first place.
You can't say that Naruto has plot-holes or that the author failed in something before the series is over: that's quite presumptous of you, unless you can mind-read or fore-tell.
I think you're just stopping at the surface of the matter: the fact that someone won many battles doesn't make him automatically a Mary-Sue; lots of heroes or villains are like this, not only in manga.
When you judge the role of a character you have to do it in relation to the main plot and the other characters: it's obvious that Kishimoto is characterizing Sasuke like this in anticipation to his final fight against Naruto, that he's feeding his role of antagonist.
Sasuke is not like Bella or Ginny, pathetic characters getting married with the protagonist without basically doing NOTHING, he's a good boy who ended in the villain side to follow his goal of revenge: he really was a guy who had everything but ended up with nothing... I think that Sasuke is a very tragic and touching character and it bothers me when people stops to the surface of his characterization-- But still, I can't pretend that everyone is as sensitive and smart as I am.
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I do agree that agreeing to disagree is a good idea. I like when that can happen. And I do try not to be too judgmental, but it's hard. Stupid people tarnish others' image. Suethors tarnish the image of everyone who makes OCs, rabid fangirls tarnish the image of all anime fans, and stupid Yaoi fangirls tarnish the image of all Yaoi fans. It's sad, really.
I am a critic, and I am allowed to analyze and criticize plotlines. Kishimoto's plotline is bad and nothing will convince me that it is any good. I don't think that powerful automatically equals Mary Sue; what makes a Sue is unrealistic plot twists (i.e. Bella liking Edward's stalking her; Harry and Ginny getting together; Anakin supposedly thinking about Padme for ten years before seeing her again), characterization being bent/ignored (i.e. the Sonic the Hedgehog comics, where Fiona Fox and Mina Mongoose are made to do things that make them look bad so that Princess Sally Acorn can continue to date Sonic), and deus ex machinae (i.e. Nessie Cullen; lightning beating earth; Sasuke being able to summon and overcome Manda with almost no chakra left). Kishimoto does two of those things with regards to Sasuke. It is unrealistic that Naruto could be so weak after all his training with Jiraiya. All of Sasuke's "power" and "victories" in battle came from deus ex machinae. No way in hell could he have ever defeated Deidara! Every single thing he did to "defeat" Deidara was a deus ex machina. And there is no way in hell he could have beaten Orochimort Jackson on his own. And how could he single-handedly take down Hachibi and repress Kyuubi? 
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*is frustrated*
Naruto is "weak" because of the Kyuubi's chackra, that interfers with his own, making him unable to express his strenght 100%.
If you're referring to the scene about their "first meeting" after the timeskip, it was obvious that Naruto wasn't even putting up a fight.
Deidara was just too full of himself and sore about Itachi.
Actually, I never saw Deidara as such a strong opponent.
Orochimaru was sick, almost dead, and was just waiting to be able to get Sasuke's body to revive.
He didn't defeat Hachibi.
Also Madara, Tenzo and Hashirama can suppress the Kyuubi the Kyuubi: the Uchiha have sharingans, the other characters use the mokuton.
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You still haven't proven to me that Uchiha Sasuke is not a blatant, disgusting, 24-karat Gary Stu, and I don't think you can. So let's agree to disagree. Please.
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It's just because you have to keep your own stubborn view on him; maybe when you'll grow up a little and will get more experiences (in life, books and anime) you'll be able to judge things more objectively.
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I merely see no reason for a deus ex machina-filled plot to be considered good.
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Then you should just stop reading shonen manga, you know.
...Assuming that you ever read any.
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I do. I also love shoujo.
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You may not like this because it's taking straight guys and turning them gay, but I don't like people who "me+(insert anime/game chacter here)=love4evr" crap, or "(insert anime/game character here) is my husband/wife!!".. Or even.."Me-->
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I don't believe that that's either canon or can actually happen. I just like to let my imagination run away with me.
And I'm always a minor character in my writings and take care that I'm writing Itachi correctly.
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You "writing" Itachi correctly in fanfics, or whatever had nothing to do with what I said, nor does the fact that you "let your imagination run wild". So do the people who write yaoi-fics about straight characters being gay. It's imagination, and they like it. So...Having a negative comment on something you yourself somewhat do, is kinda stupid, ne?
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