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danlev — Eclipse Change Log: June 12, 2019
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omg X'D I have to switch to eclipse right now to give a heart to this comment
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LOL.
True, I guess there is some good buried inside that monstrosity.
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Yeah, somewhere deep under the protective layers of overly high contrast and blocky elements, there is thought put into this ^^
I DO see the devs making good changes to eclipse over time, so there might be hope! It currently feels too handheld-oriented to me,
since everything is just so huge and in-your-face in eclipse which doesn't work very well with me as a desktop user;
but they f.ex. fixed the inbox so you can delete everything now, and slowly but steadily it gets better, bit by bit. If they keep listening to users, we might even get a third more classic coloured display option;
If we all work together this might not turn out so bad~
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Aaaaand right back. Maybe it's just me, but the comment section feels a lot less organised in eclipse mode.
Looks like it could work on a phone, but I as a desktop user feel like they use WAAAY too much space and melt together and just throw everything straight into my face
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Added a video tutorial to show how to edit and personalize your profile.
Yikes. You KNOW it's bad if you HAVE TO MAKE A TUTORIAL to get AROUND THE NEW WEBSITE.
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^ THIS. Where's the user friendly site we all know and love? Why is it SO COMPLICATED NOW?
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This will be the total destruction of DA. It looks like crap.
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Why cant we just have old version of DA look? Seriously, not everyone is happy with this. I, for example stay here only because I can have old look still active, but once Eclipse starts on all profiles, I´m gonna have really hard time going there because my OCD simpy won´t allow me to be there, even though I enjoyed it.
Aside from my OCD, I have there problems:
1. No other color options- just black and white is painful for eyes. I like current pastel green color. Actually it wouldnt be bad idea to give option to change to bacis pastel colors(including this green).
2. No option to change size of the boxes- some are too big, some are too small.
3. Poor statistics- I really like curent way to see statistics. Some people turn it off, but I really like that I can see it all in a little box and thar I can even compare it to previous days in that graf.
4. The picture on the top is giant!- Like, really, really too big.
5. Gallery - folders are on the top, but I´d love option to have them on side, like it´s now. Plus please remove infinite scroll- it´s really annoying.
That´s all for now, see you later.
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I tried, but there is 500 characters limit so I had to send multiple feedbacks.
I tried to like Eclipse, but more I try to like, more I hate every change it makes. I just want DA as it is now. Nice, easy to understand, with simple navigation and with color scheme that doesn´t burn your eyes in the night.
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Will paste what GruneWerXblack said 'cause I agree 100000%
1) Entire site needs a dark grey (or lighter) optional theme. Honestly, this should be a priority and the very next Change Log you send out. I know you've heard this from tons of people (myself included), but the current dark/light contrast is a strain on the eyes. Current DA is easy on the eyes. Artstation, whom you've obviously taken some inspiration from, has a dark grey that's easier on the eyes. Why did Eclipse go black? If you would make a simple dark grey scheme, you might literally turn the tide of people complaining about Eclipse because they would try it out long enough to get used to it. But you're hurting Eclipse's future because people can't read on it. Most of what makes DA popular is the community interaction aka reading! When I first started using this site 15+ years ago, what I liked about it was it was like a fusion between a gallery and a forum. It's made to be READ as much as viewed. But you've taken away half of what's made it as popular as it is. People can't give Eclipse a proper try because it's an eye strain. Please fix this and watch the detractors start to change their mind.
2) Everything's still too big on Eclipse. Needs a compact mode. Make the thumbnails/icons/etc much smaller. Better use of real estate. As it is right now, TOO MUCH SCALING.
3) Eclipse is SLOW. I literally had to check to make sure my internet connection was optimal because the site was dragging.
4) Notifications is better, but still nowhere near as optimized as the current DeviantART. I can organized hundreds, if not thousands, of notifications in current DeviantART in a fraction of the time it takes in Eclipse.
5) Profile header is still BLURRY after you upload an image. I seem to remember reading a way to fix this, but tried it and it still didn't work. There needs to be some indicator of the optimized dimensions to ensure your header is hi-res and clear. Right now, it just looks horrible.
6) Embedded videos (like from YouTube) don't show up in status updates unless you click the update. On current DA, it just shows as a thumbnail and you can click it to watch right there on the page. On Eclipse, it requires extra clicking. Why? Current DA is more optimized for quick interaction so that you can read/scroll and move on.
7) Keep infinite scroll, but include pagination option as well? I hear a lot of people complaining about infinite scroll. At first wasn't a fan, but after getting used to it, I can't live without it. I HATE clicking page numbers, especially for galleries with thousands and thousands of images. Who has time for this? But for people complaining, perhaps include page numbers as an option.
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Please let me know when (IF) infinite scroll ever reaches the end of My Commission folder / favourites. 30 minutes later it still hadn't reached even 50% and required constant watching to even get that far. I wan't to be able to get somewhere in my galleries QUICKLY. Worse, if you turn the page and come back, you get to start all over.
infinite scroll works fine but only if you are viewing a relatively small gallery folder.
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You know, while I can still see a lot of things that need improved/updated, I for one am really pleased to see DA actually listening to our feedback and making changes accordingly. Not a lot of companies can say they do that but you guys certainly can.
Thanks for all your hard work!
I think the two biggest things I would need to see changed before I use Eclipse:
1. Size. I know you made it smaller but really it still is too big. Not necessarily the text or images but more so the margins and separators.
2. Upload more than one image. So so so so so many websites/socials do this that it has become the norm. I would love to upload more than one artwork per deviation. Ex. a concept, finished art, tutorial image. Perhaps set it up like Instagram with left and right buttons.
You can do this already with Artstation, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram.. etc. If Eclipse is going to be the modern-day Deviantart it needs to meet the modern-day artists' requirements.
Thank you! I look forward to the next change logs!
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Okay, I tried out the updates.
If Current DeviantART is 100% functionality, I'd say Eclipse is probably somewhere around 36%?
My initial thoughts:
1) Entire site needs a dark grey (or lighter) optional theme. Honestly, this should be a priority and the very next Change Log you send out. I know you've heard this from tons of people (myself included), but the current dark/light contrast is a strain on the eyes. Current DA is easy on the eyes. Artstation, whom you've obviously taken some inspiration from, has a dark grey that's easier on the eyes. Why did Eclipse go black? If you would make a simple dark grey scheme, you might literally turn the tide of people complaining about Eclipse because they would try it out long enough to get used to it. But you're hurting Eclipse's future because people can't read on it. Most of what makes DA popular is the community interaction aka reading! When I first started using this site 15+ years ago, what I liked about it was it was like a fusion between a gallery and a forum. It's made to be READ as much as viewed. But you've taken away half of what's made it as popular as it is. People can't give Eclipse a proper try because it's an eye strain. Please fix this and watch the detractors start to change their mind.
2) Everything's still too big on Eclipse. Needs a compact mode. Make the thumbnails/icons/etc much smaller. Better use of real estate. As it is right now, TOO MUCH SCALING.
3) Eclipse is SLOW. I literally had to check to make sure my internet connection was optimal because the site was dragging.
4) Notifications is better, but still nowhere near as optimized as the current DeviantART. I can organized hundreds, if not thousands, of notifications in current DeviantART in a fraction of the time it takes in Eclipse.
5) Profile header is still BLURRY after you upload an image. I seem to remember reading a way to fix this, but tried it and it still didn't work. There needs to be some indicator of the optimized dimensions to ensure your header is hi-res and clear. Right now, it just looks horrible.
6) Embedded videos (like from YouTube) don't show up in status updates unless you click the update. On current DA, it just shows as a thumbnail and you can click it to watch right there on the page. On Eclipse, it requires extra clicking. Why? Current DA is more optimized for quick interaction so that you can read/scroll and move on.
7) Keep infinite scroll, but include pagination option as well? I hear a lot of people complaining about infinite scroll. At first wasn't a fan, but after getting used to it, I can't live without it. I HATE clicking page numbers, especially for galleries with thousands and thousands of images. Who has time for this? But for people complaining, perhaps include page numbers as an option.
Final thoughts. There's more I'm not covering, but honestly others have said it and probably better. Seriously, DA, all you'd have to do is fix the headers, make a medium/dark grey theme which is easy on the eyes, make the thumbnails and graphics smaller, and make the notifications work like current DA and Eclipse would be pretty much in the bag for MOST people. You'd LITERALLY turn the tide in your favor. These Change Logs are low down the list in order of priority, which only makes more people frustrated, as it seems as though you're ignoring the more important needs. (which I don't believe is the case)
Best wishes. Grunge out!
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"Make the thumbnails/icons/etc much smaller."
Icons/avatars are super small in the Eclipse Message Center:
Which makes them harder to see actually.
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They just have got to be kidding. It's like wearing sunglasses to view your screen
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Nope, not kidding.
My Profile: My Gallery:
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You know I really hope that this will not surface or there is going to be a real Eclipse for these fools.
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I meant on the main page, not in the notifications section. I agree, those thumbnails are SUPER SMALL and definitely don't need to be smaller.
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I think they should just keep them the typical 50x50 size and stop making them bigger or smaller in various places because that often messes up the icons.
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Is there a way to resize the banners or headers on the profiles? The picture ends up huge and doesn't look right even when I follow the measurements
(I have mentioned it on the feedback form). I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong?
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Why is wix code so LONG
When I copy Image location on deviantart:
h ttps://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/e14e1ee0-7df5-44b2-9e7f-7dafcef9054c/dd4i7nc-4d86d9ef-b5fe-4283-a59c-abeb850823cd.png/v1/fill/w_653,h_1225,q_70,strp/lady_saltybeard_by_ladysaltybeard_dd4i7nc-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTM2MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2UxNGUxZWUwLTdkZjUtNDRiMi05ZTdmLTdkYWZjZWY5MDU0Y1wvZGQ0aTduYy00ZDg2ZDllZi1iNWZlLTQyODMtYTU5Yy1hYmViODUwODIzY2QucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTcyNSJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.FCImOdyCj-kufg-GbxUqc3z6ud-yF6MNpXpR8UnmPLc
When I copy image location on toyhouse:
h ttps://file.toyhou.se/images/13295450_Dl5IYrQBqmGaPwU.png
Same image, two different sites
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It doesn't actually resolve the issue, but you can delete everything after the question mark. The rest is similar to a cookie.
h ttps://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/e14e1ee0-7df5-44b2-9e7f-7dafcef9054c/dd4i7nc-4d86d9ef-b5fe-4283-a59c-abeb850823cd.png/v1/fill/w_653,h_1225,q_70,strp/lady_saltybeard_by_ladysaltybeard_dd4i7nc-pre.jpg
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It won't load the image in my custom boxes if I remove that bit, I've tried but most images require the last bit for me
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Wow really? D: That seems insane (but not surprising, I guess).
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+1
and these links from the stash are temporal, I can't use them anymore
also (that's important) - when I downloaded the pictures before, there was
a name of author in file_name and the name of deviation, and now that's just soifjsoidfj_aasjdaa_adadsd.jpg
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I'm only seeing that if I try to directly download an image (click & save) vs selecting the download function / saving.
It's easy enough to work around but does add an extra step.
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I just tried to download your last work and it has the name:
dd4bi8r-66ab8238-554c-4bc0-872b-051541195778.jpg
That thing that you said, it's just a preview, it has the next name:
entertaining_a_visitor_by_jkrolak_dd4bi8r-pre.jpg
but it's smaller (it's a preview), not the fullsize of image ;-;
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most of my images do not have the DA download function activated due to the script kiddies at 4chan and similar sites downloading/posting without permission. The smaller size helps me detect/discourage that unwanted usage
That longer name is what you get if you attempt to click/save directly. Technically you can just change the name before saving the file if you really want a copy for personal use.
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Right? I know in an article about Wix acquiring DA, Wix told interviewers "Wix will open up DeviantArt’s repository of art and creative community to the Wix platform, giving Wix’s users access to that work to use in their own site building." I don't want to accuse anyone of art theft or anything, but it does look suspicious and I feel like more clarification on that statement would be nice.
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While phrased badly, I interpreted it to mean Wix hoped that the artistic and creative personalities that are hosted on DA will use the WIX templates to create free personal web pages in addition to their DA pages.
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That would definitely make more since, and assuming that's what it means it was indeed poorly worded
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Ok, I really like the discover idea. I also love the cover photo idea and the way to change themes.
However, we really need a neutral theme. A nice gray or the classic green so that there isn't so much contrast (both themes currently hurt my eyes).
Endless scrolling needs to go. Sta.sh needs to stay (why reformat something that isn't broken? I love sta.sh). Everything is also still way too large. Keep the standard sizes that we have right now when browsing.
I also don't see the need to completely reformat the notification center? It works great the way it is. Don't fix what isn't broken.
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Sta.sh isn't going away. Sta.sh writer is removed from Eclipse but it's replaced by the new journal editor, text editor and draft option
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I apologize, I meant sta.sh writer. It isn't broken, minus the occasional thumbnail eating, and is used by many people including myself and many a/rpg players. I don't see the need to replace it, why not just improve on it?
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DeviantArt staff, I like your guys' enthusiasm with Eclipse, and it must hurt that people keep dissing it every time an update rolls out. I'm sure I speak for a lot of people, however, where the old site worked just fine. If I could give any advice from a user standpoint, go back to the old design, or at least take notes of what works from it.
The green of the site, though has been made fun of over the years, is iconic. But there are those like myself who don't like the green, if we could just get a simple client-side color picker for the background, that would fix the green much easier than making a whole new site layout.
I like what Eclipse did for the top banner of the personal pages. The editable cover is very nice and adds a bit more personality. I also like how it bleeds into the main page a bit. If we could get personal page backgrounds, that would also be very cool for both the old site and Eclipse, depending on how the Eclipse project goes.
Overall, I think you guys should take more notes from the old design. It's not broken, so why fix it? I'd say Eclipse is a good idea in theory but you guys aren't Art Station, nor do we want you to be. We are here because we like Deviant Art. I hope that Eclipse works out for the best for you guys. <3
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i hate that they removed thumb codes. i have a lot of stamps i spent literally years collecting here and with the change in eclipse, none of them are converted and if i wanted to re-add to my page i have to do it one by one. and the process is extremely tedious and not at all convenient whatsoever. you have to select a section you want to add a stamp to, then click on add image, then to whichever category the stamp is in, and then hopefully find it by searching whatever you type. and redo this over and over.
on top of this, you cant even add the stamps side-by-side. it has to be one stamp per line, and they appear in a vertical column. so it makes the page unnecessarily lengthy. whereas with the old layout, all you have to do is copy the thumb code and simply paste it to your profile box.
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