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To be honest, most "popular" artists have their art on a wide variety of platforms (Youtube, Twitch/streaming sites, other art sites such as furaffinity, facebook, etc. )
I'm not popular but i use Artstation.com (loads of professional artists who work in places like Sony/playstation/other gaming companies) plus they have contests and such. Its not really social but i guess more of a kind of art platform (of which ive gotten some pretty popular artists favoriting my own works)
But yeah, one of the major ways to get more followers is generally Youtube videos if you can swing it. Do advertising ect. Popular artists generally put in a lot of advertising works.
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Yup!
I also Im in a lot of art websites, and facebook, instagram even youtube (This last one i just use it for animations)
I realized that many of ''popular'' makes their popularity based on Fanart. I think Fanart is a good way to start to get viewers.
Of course, im sure that many popular artist invert a lot of money on advertisting campaing. This isn't bad and helps a lot. Also being Core member helps a lot (I had been Core member for at least 8 years, but since DA is changing to Ecplise, i decided to move to Art Station and get a membership there.
I hope that DeviantArt be more friendly with all the new joined artist
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Ah, I may have read your last comment wrong (I did that with the OP too aha oops) I hope i didn't come off as rude, as its not what i meant at all. I never realized, i think, that a lot of popular artists were popular due to fan art. But i think if I look at the popular ones currently thats a correct assumption, the OP also got me to thinking that as well.
I'm on Artstation too, I get a lot of favorites on there but no one really comments on anyone's work that I've noticed. I hope your doing well there! I hope so too, but with the diversity there's always drama somewhere aha. Especially in role play groups, goodness people are so hyped and stuff its both funny and quite sad.
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Agreed. Your comment hit the nail in the head in the most part. The fact that they have the audacity to shove popular artists onto front page and try not to call it favorism because they know that smaller artists (regardless of their talent) wouldn't bring them any money.
Why on Earth would an organisation (Wix) known from offering the most unlimited customisation options buy a website (DeviantArt) and promise the same advantages for its members, but then later find out that the website's own staff has taken completely opposite course: to deny as much as customisation as possible?
I cannot help but feel like DeviantArt said "no" to Wix's help to make the website more customisable and now dA staff have decided to make it unbearably blank and deny any creativity as possible to get back at Wix for buying DeviantArt in the first place. So to me this looks like dA staff or whoever is behind DeviantArt right now is basically trying to turn it into a cash cow and try to get away as many promises and things as possible before eventually being kicked off from a team? Regardless of what is going in the background I feel like they gave the reins to someone who is not qualified for the job.
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I would be tempted to agree, save for one point. As the owner Wix can fire DA staff - all of it - at will. Doing something to get back at them is equal to falling on your sword. And once someone gets even an idea that you plan to do something like that in the business world - "you're fired."
Now incompetence I can see. But in the end, you'll get the same result. It just takes longer and you really should sort out if it's workers or the person giving the orders or both.
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Well we must remember that humans are not the dumbest species on Earth (even if it does sometimes feel like it). If someone knows how to market and sell an idea to the higher ups then believe me when I say then they can get out of a lot. Business world is like a game. If you know how to play the game and stay determined then you will get far. Its true that some have "the end" screen after making a mistake but large business solely work on like a massive game. You may not have the best cards on the table when beginning of the game but if one wants to play offensively then they can become rather scary opponent to face in real life.
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There is a difference between something not doing well or as expected/hoped and actual incompetence. One hopes Eclipse is an example of the former. But even then someone's (career) head is still going to roll. It's only a question of how high up the corporate ladder the axe starts and when they choose to stop.
Failure used to be allowed, but it did have consequences. But for many these days, it's one strike and your out
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Exactly yeah. Geeze, this just turns me off this website even more now hearing that. All they care about is money.
It is odd, isn't it? But that makes complete sense. What a way to screw over the users if that is the case. I've felt for a while whoever is behind this is not qualified either, and it more than shows. When you have nearly an entire user-base oppose your decision yet still think its a good idea then you should be worried. This level of protest and anger is actually quite serious and they need to acknowledge that, not keep ignoring it.
I'm so disappointed in what this website has become. The creators of the Sonic movie made changes due to demand. Something the staff should start looking up to as an example of what good business practice is.
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Whoever is in charge now feels like they have been in charge for quite some time now because dA staff has quite literally been dragging this website trough the mud for years now. You feel yourself quite helpless in the situation as you see your first if not your favourite website being turned into something that it is not or shouldn't be in that matter. I feel like the only thing we can pray right now is that hopefully someone in the higher authority would realise this and raise the cat onto the table. The behaviour of whoever is in charge of these changes needs to learn some obedience towards their own community as well as this is not one-way road. Far from it.
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Actually that time limit on blocking has a reason, that way you can't unblock someone just to comment or reply, and than block so he can't respond...
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I've never seen any other website do this, only Deviantart. In my case I had to unblock somebody that's been stalking me on here for 3 years non-stop to warn him to stop stalking. It puts me in a bad position being forced to wait 48 hours to block again when I know this creep is cyber-stalking/lurking and the staff aren't going to do anything about it, are they? I shouldn't have to feel unsafe like that, it should be an instant block. Deviantart never used to even have a 48 hour punishing wait time - it was always instant.
It's completely unnecessary. :/
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Ok, I see your point.
Never really had need to block anyone so can't tell anything more...
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Wow, i never knew that. Why wait 48 hours? Also that's not OK for them to do that x.x if they are stalking thats a crime in america. Though you'd have to prove that the person is stalking you. If its someone from another country, sadly nothing can really legally be done aside from blocking them or if it gets raised into them sending you threatening messages they can possibly be deleted.
Internet laws are a bit more vague than offline/real life laws... though some of those are even... not really worth a grain of salt.
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Because some person apparently thought it was a good idea I guess? XD The staff don't exactly care about the safety of their users. If they did, they'd stop allowing porn on the front page and allowing stalkers/pedophiles get away with the content they draw.
I'm not in America, but thankfully he is in another country, otherwise I'd probably need a restraining order. When we were friends he actually wanted me to keep stalking his ex despite she blocked him. >.<
Stalking is serious and mentally draining to deal with. I also have somebody else that stalks me and keeps block evading to harass me and other members of a fandom I am in. She's been doing it ten years now, so many people have got sick of it. Thankfully I can block... but yeah, it's not fun having to tell somebody that makes you highly uncomfortable to stop and then not being able to block them because of a petty rule.
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That first point is so true though x.x I try to avoid the front page because i have a child who likes to see what im doing. They should have a SFW / NSFW button (furaffinity has one so i don't have to see nudes and stuff lol)
Ah, probably yeah. Im so sorry about that. What a weird person to want you to do that. Doesn't sound like he was a good friend to you. I believe it, i think any kind of unwanted attention would be mentally draining. im sorry that person does that to you, too bad the site can't IP ban him aha. that would stop him from stalking anyone on that site. I don't think DA would do that though.
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Oh yes, that is also a bad thing. >.< For me, I rarely use dA in public anymore because of what shows up when I open my messages sometimes. You cannot avoid seeing certain things, no matter how hard you try. I use a filter now, but things still show. I personally have no issues with NSFW content - but I know that others do, and they shouldn't be so exposed to it like that. This is something dA should be working to fix right now, not making a new website. These issues have existed for years.
Oh he was horrible. He really was. It took me a year to get over the damage he caused me. It's not something I like to openly talk about, but he is the sort that needs an IP ban for sure. dA won't do that though. I just have to try ignore the stalking.
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Ah, thankfully I haven't had many issues like that. I think mostly because I tell people Im a mom (which sometimes is a bad thing when it comes to art from my experience) but thats ok. Although I would love to make a career out of my art, and I have a business, its only part time because I don't get many commissions which is fine aha. They have a filter? I don't have an issue personally, but my son likes to "surprise" me if that makes sense and its kinda awkward and embarrassing for some reason (im a shy person offline, im a bit bolder online because its not really face to face... its odd and im kinda socially awkward.)
I totally agree they should work on fixing it now.
Oh no, im so sorry. Toxic people aren't good, I rarely make friends offline because im afraid of people to be honest. I made friends before who ended up getting me into trouble (ive had police pull guns on me) so i don't really trust people in real life (and I don't give important information to people online) so like... yeah. Im not great at choosing friends aha. I totally get that, i hope it helps. if you need to vent you can always send me a note.
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The filter isn't an official part of the website I don't think, but it does help a lot. I think it's called 'deviantart filter 1.0' or something along those lines. It just closes out and blocks certain images from appearing, but it doesn't stop them showing up in group messages (as in, the first message) so that's a bit of a downside but other than that, it does work well.
I understand you, as it is the same for me. Sometimes I'm not afraid to speak up about things online because I can get my words out better on a screen than speaking them.
Jesus... that sounds very frightening! I would be terrified if that happened to me. I hope you were ok. Toxic people are the worst. I dealt with two of them on here, some of the worst I've ever met. Both of them still stalk me and because of them I lost a lot of trust in people and was afraid to get back into friendships. I still find it hard to trust people. I did move on from them and make new friends but the damage they caused does tend to linger.
Thank you! I'll keep that in mind.
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Ah ok.
Im ok lol, just... don't really go out of my way to make friends anymore lol.
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Yeah, they have a mature filter, though not everyone sets their work as mature
Normal DA: Go to settings, click the browsing settings, it's a little check box under general browsing
Eclipse: www.deviantartsupport.com/en/a…
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Agreed.
Each new update just keeps on disappointing me. They're doing it all wrong, it's just mindblowing at this point.
They even had the audacity to make an update on the feedback section... which isn't even really an update at all ???? Like... everyone's been asking for it to be more similar to the old one and the only thing they've changed is stacking stuff ?? But it's completely useless too ???
And the discover part is just yet again another disappointment.
To think that I used to love this website and now I'm pretty much indifferent to its future and any of the updates they make to Eclipse. Everything that I cared about in the old website is just gone and they don't seem to be willing to adapt those features to Eclipse.
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This is exactly what I mean about the biasedness towards popular and established artists, because why couldn't 'Discover' have recommended you to me instead? Or the other fellow that responded to me?
Same. I'm so over it right now tbh. It's been months and months of this nonsense. I work freelance and rely on this website for things like commissions, so knowing the website is going downhill and I'll likely lose a lot of watchers, it's pretty damaging. I've spent years coding and doing up my page and it's all going to go to waste.
The feedback centre is an eyesore and nightmare. Too big, too obnoxious and 100% does not need to be changed. I think the staff believe we all 5 years old, learning to read or something. The only time I remember seeing huge font like that was learning to read back in school.
Discover is a tab I won't be using. It can sit there and just... sit there. For all I care. I have better time to spend watching and supporting smaller artists that deserve it. Not giving those already in power more power. XD
Same for me. This has been my home since 2004 and I've rarely gone a day without being here. I've met close friends through here and its such a big part of my career and growth as an artist and thanks to this nightmare being forced on us that's pretty much going to be destroyed.
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Not many fan artists grow big, its quite rare actually from what I have seen. The popular artists I see are ones who do their own art, they also advertise a lot so if you only use deviantart as your platform you are sorely missing out on that. Their followers come from other sites like Furaffinity, Facebook, Patreon, Youtube, Streaming sites like Twitch and Picarto, Sim sites, Specialty forms such as Arstation or even Fanbased forums like the TLK forms or Sim sites (gaming sites) such as Furry-paws.com or even Flight Rising. There are so many platforms to advertise on and gain followers from, but remember getting a lot of followers can take many many years. Youtube video makers have sometimes taken more than 10 years to get the silver plaque that Youtube gives out, it think its for 100k followers but don't quote me on that.
I'm not saying you aren't trying hard enough, or that your not good enough because your more than good enough. You might just be lacking advertising on your end across many platforms, Interacting and commenting on other artists art will also get you noticed by the artist and they might say "hey look at this artist here" and advertise you. Some popular artists do that, but communication and commenting is also one of the better ways to get not only involved into the community but also repeatedly seeing your name out there will make people interested in you and what you do. Which is why advertisements work, limiting the commissions you do will also make you seem more valuable because its harder to get your art. If your constantly open out there they will gloss over you because they can come to you at any time they want.
Just a few helpful tips 
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Well, I cannot agree there because that's just untrue. I've seen a fair few fan-artists grow big. Kawacy, Ry-Spirit to name a few. I know Ry-Spirit in person, and he's been selling his work at cons for many years. It is possible to have a career as an artist with fan art being a focus and Twitter is a good example of that too. Sakimichan is also primarily a fan artist. Fan art will always get noticed above original work because of the sheer number of fandoms that exist. Original work only takes off if it has something unique about it, or if you're lucky. It's tough, but doable. Web comics also do well. You not only have to hit a niche, but it also depends entirely on posting regularly, timing and luck. I have been around since 2004 (main account since 2009) and have accumulated a lot of followers over the years, so I am very well aware that it takes a long time. You just have to put the long hours in (and trust me I have because my body suffers regularly now haha.) YouTube isn't my primarily focus, but speedpaints can also push to attract followers, along with regular streaming. I really enjoy watching streams but I currently lack confidence in doing streaming myself. X( I'm hoping to change that over the course of this year. I used to do it back in 2012 or so then just kinda stopped. XD
Well, actually, I have been working freelance for 3 years now and I am doing okay. thank you. 
Exhausting, but it's always worth it. ^_^ I made a new friend that tables with me/beside me as well from doing cons.
Oh, deviantart is actually just one of many websites I rely on for commissions. While I really do appreciate you trying to provide tips I think you'd be better of providing them to younger or beginner artists that need that kind of advice as I've known it for years XD
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I have to agree. After 40 active years as a fan, I pride myself on being able to spot a fan artist on their way to the big leagues. I've seen them go from a barely attended fan table, to a more popular one, to working for a mainstream company like Marvel, Disney corporate, DC, independents, fantasy books/magazines, and even the Greenwich Workshop.
So it IS possible, but like anything it takes hard work, dedication, effort, and maybe a pinch of luck. But it seldom happens "overnight" or even in a few years. And many either quit, or are content to just be a bigger name fan artist. Like any profession, only a select few ever crack the PRO ranks.
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Exactly this, yes. I'm not in America, so here the challenge is much harder, but I get what you mean there.
Luck is a bigger factor than people think in some cases as well. It's usually a matter of right place, right time, or somebody knows somebody etc. I've seen people work hard and land nowhere. It's a tough journey for sure.
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Your right, I don't generally look at the fan-art fandom. Although i know about a couple of groups, I don't generally participate so if there are a lot of fan art artists who are popular i don't know them. I know Sakimichan but didn't know they did fan art, I see them on Facebook from time to time and occasionally on here. I think maybe i just don't notice because that's not the demographic im in, which is fine too aha. But your right I had a bad analysis there for sure. I forgot about Comic cons and cosplay and stuff like that for a moment. I totally understand the body issues, I got carpel tunnel at 19 cause i was drawing so much (im in my early 30's now but i also write novels too so like... not just art) I think Youtube is one of the main ways to get a lot of followers, if you do that yeah. I think you would do amazing in streaming! I want to start doing it but i have a four year old so... that wont work well until he goes to school aha.
Thats great! I hope it pays off for you too, you have some really nice stuff in your gallery (and to be honest im impressed by your accuracy, I suck doing fan art aha) I get the time management issue, not only do i have my son but also am going to college to get a teaching degree. Though i do want to start a Manhua at some point (i think i spelled that right, its a type of manga you have to scroll to read instead of the original Japanese style manga) Thats good! I was simply trying to be helpful, so i apologize if it seemed like i thought you didn't know anything. That wasn't my intention. Im so glad your doing well, I hope you do amazingly well!
I can understand that, my ex-colleague does comic cons and other cons with her comics and merch. I quit helping with her comic cause i ended up on bed rest when i was pregnant, sucked cause i loved working with her. That is true aha, im not sure why i thought you were a younger person (of course you can totally be younger than me aha) but im thankful you didn't get defensive with your reply. I think i read your previous comment oddly which is why i gave the tips (and that happens sometimes, i apologize for that.)
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Ah I see. I've involved myself heavily in the art fandom for years, so I know quite a bit now from doing so. :>
I get constant RSI which prevents me from working to the full extent I can sometimes. I have other issues as well that make it hard for me to work quickly, but I just do what I can. Carpel tunnel sounds awful. I'm sorry to hear that you had that at 19.
Thank you! I really hope to get back into it ^^
I've finished all of my education, so now it's just pure freelance for me. I'm happy to hear that you like my work
Aha. It's okay~ I'm 29 at the moment. I don't like getting defensive unless somebody displays a good reason for me to be. But as I mentioned, I did appreciate you providing tips. Not a lot of people are like that I find nowadays, and more so just lash out or give single sentence answers. That's why I appreciate people that take the time to do what you just did.
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Oooh nice.
I have carpel tunnel (well i had surgery, but it still affects me) and Rheumatoid Arthritis. I can understand! My fingers go numb if i write with a pen too long, though its ok if im drawing my wrists end up hurting and thats about it.
Thats good!
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I think that you deserve to be under 'Discover' far more than those other artists.
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Ha, ha, thanks, U2
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So then what's the point of "Core" Membership, if there's a slideshow integrated? What's the point of Core anymore.
& for fucksake why don't you answer this: Is Eclipse will it be OPTIONAL in the end?
WILL IT?? Yes or No??.......nope. I already know the answer. FU! I'll never like Eclipse.
And I will voice my opinion. Watch it backfire on you.
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Eclipse will be forced upon anyone and everyone once its finished. All features from Eclipse that is being showcased will be available for all members so technically there won't be a reason to even buy a Core- membership anymore either. Customisation and CSS coding will all be removed so guess its better to use that money into something else other than just having an orange bullet next to your name.
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I understand 100% Eclipse is forced eventually upon us ALL and WILL be the new DA Format. Yes, I wish this would be optional. But it will never be. But I doubt, CORE will be invaluable. DA are already sold outs to the Wix Program contracting for money, (greed) they'll probably come up with a "beneficial reason" for CORE for some other money hungry reason, considering it's them. People still have CORE after all left over. And have bought premium "Till Hell Freezes Over" naturally. I doubt it, they'd just abandon the concept...
Plus do you know this for a FACT? Hmm..
I know. I know. I don't. But however...I do know common sense on what Commercialized Business Marketing and Networking is, since I have a Major in Business
Certificate in Business Marketing. When you take risks in business, it's a make or break...but you MUST listen to your community and customers and what they want. THEY ARE WHAT MAKE YOU AND GIVE YOU STRONGER BUSINESS. In this case, DA is not doing this, therefore; it is a terrible choice on their part. If they wanted to use Eclipse, they should make it Optional
and take Wix Programming Contract conversion for others to optionally "try out" as gradually finished. Instead of shoving it down their throats forcefully and mandatory. Maybe then if they showed the benefits, high quality interests, improvements, awesome perspectives that WIN OVER old DA, instead of "THIS WILL BE THE NEXT DA IS ECLIPSE...BLAH BLAH BLAH...GET USED TO IT WE DON'T CARE....MANDATORY...THE NEXT DA...WE DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SAYS...ETC" Then everyone is upset.
Horrible Business, plus they're not even responding back, the Moderators or Programmers.
And, I can strongly assume DA would still use CORE for something, they'd still need to make profits off their site. Don't you think????
Make business. It's only ideological for them too and a stronger valid reason. One in which, I personally do not approve of
and won't waste money in anymore. I don't support Eclipse, just my opinion. DA Eclipse will regret this, just like the whole "Advanced-Myspace-Era-Bullshit".
Happening all over again.
Seriously, presume a look at the statistical majority of simple comments. No one likes it. No one wants it. Do you really think 100% of members on here
will approve or stay on here? Or for some reason waste money on some form of Core?
Please tell me for a FACT?
Moderator? Announcer?
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I never said that Core-membership would have be abounded as a feature. I said that there is no proof of being new Core-only features being added because all of the updates on Eclipse have been confirmed to be available for everyone, which in return wouldn't add anything new to your Core-membership account except the orange bullet. Please calm down and a step back from the keyboard before showing hostility towards someone who is agreeing with you in a subject. You asked, I answered and agreed, however now you are bringing and claiming things, which I'm quite sure you yourself are saying them out of spite and heat of the moment.
But since we both work in the area of business, myself graduated with Vocational Qualification in Business Management, I'm sure that we can both agree that misleading a viewer and then shaming them for reading the question that you wrongly typed would be considered being your fault, not the viewer's fault. Therefore I politely request you to edit your first comment from "Is Eclipse will it be OPTIONAL in the end?" into "Eclipse SHOULD be optional" to not make an utter fool out of yourself. Please by all means stop to read what you are being replied and not take everything with an instant aggression.
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Don't bother with them anymore...
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The last comment quite shortly made me acknowledge that they are not interested on discussing even if they were the first one to start it. If someone refuses to understand that starting a conversation and trying to discuss about features is not one-way road or a free ticket to be a jerk then that is their problem. Not mine. I'm sorry that you and others had to face with same hostility. I hope that even with this negativity you still had a wonderful day.
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Yes thank you ! I'll try to warn others who try to reply to them not to, because they won't need agressivity to ruin their day...
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Ohh, oh oh, I am soo so sorry, I was questioning DA on the ending result of saying quote on verbatim: "WILL IT?? Yes or No??.......nope. I already know the answer. FU! I'll never like Eclipse." Because....hmmm, oh yeah. I already knew the answer. Duh. Mhms. I was being a smartass to DA and ranting. Not like that they even care, but it pisses me off and basically everyone else on DA when they announce it on Notification Bulletins. That's why I threw the middle finger emoticon.
Interpret better. And-when did you ever agree with me? I never agreed with you on anything? Are you confused? And I don't care, I will say whatever the Hell I want to say. You won't shut me up. I don't like Eclipse. Nothing will change my Mind.
On that note, read your own line:
"All features from Eclipse that is being showcased will be available for all members so technically there won't be a reason to even buy a Core- membership anymore either. Yes. You did say it." Yes that's you. That's what you wrote. How in the World is that agreeing to something? Keep in all fact you wrote that verbatim.
I don't understand, how that is an agreement. It's a statement.
I'll say whatever I want. I detest Eclipse. I always will. I'm against it. I'm aware it will be converted. I know we don't have it optional. However I wish it was, but it's not.
End of it. Now shut that hole in your head and leave me alone. Thanks. Happy weekend.
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they did answer this. it will not be optional once it's finished.
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Rrrr. I know this. Did you not read what I said correctly. I was stating that IT SHOULD be optional. I KNOW it WILL NOT BE!!! DURP. I KNOW DA ECLIPSE WILL BE OFFICIAL. I JUST MEANT I WISH THEY MADE IT OPTIONAL. I WISH I WISH, "IT WAS" OPTIONAL. BUT IT WILL NOT BE OPTIONAL IN THE FUTURE, I KNOW Have a nice day.
@ LilySweetySnek - REPEAT. READ ABOVE.
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LilySweetySnek - Did you READ What I SAID this time
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I've told them that once, they kept reading the opposite then called me an idiot who deserved to be blocked once I told them to read properly. Don't get surprised if they do that with you too...
www.deviantart.com/comments/1/…
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apparently my simple explanation was worthy capslock-bold response implying I'm an idiot for misreading.
I'm not scrolling through this comment section to find his original post again.
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I read his conversation with you. He seems... overly aggressive.
He's also now blocked, because I don't have time for people that attack me just for answering their question.
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I unblocked them to reply to them but I got blocked
On a happier note: youtu.be/SB-qEYVdvXA
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KITTIES.
Yes this is acceptable.
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