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J-E-N-0-V-A In reply to ??? [2019-06-13 15:04:28 +0000 UTC]
I just tried Eclipse for the hell of it and fuck meΒ that was the most nauseating 10 seconds experience of my online life. Absolutely. Atrocious.
It's a real shame how the switch to Eclipse is going to alienate or chase off a lot of people. Visually impaired, people with health problems set off by flashy images / strong contrast, and hell, even young and inexperienced artists are going to get the rough end of the stick.
It fucking sucks.
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66kuromi In reply to J-E-N-0-V-A [2019-06-13 15:08:12 +0000 UTC]
Yeah! I think it was your comment saying how popular artists are being pushed instead of people with similar interests and less watchers? Thats so fucked! That completely doesn't give new, and good artists exposure! Its already hard enough to get noticed here w/o that whole mess...
But yeah.. Quite a few of my friends experience the same shit as I do when I go on eclipse and its so sad because like i said, you'd think staff would take people like us into consideration but i guess not...
I've loved the years i've spent on this site, and its such a shame to see the staff be this way
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J-E-N-0-V-A In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 15:14:23 +0000 UTC]
Yeah that was mine, I'm just super angry at that one particular aspect. I'm pretty defensive and strongly supportive of younger and beginning artists, as I needed a good bunch of support to get some self confidence, so knowing the majority of younger or inexperienced new artists will not get the same boost, or will be completely ignored, really angers me.
I'm really, really sorry to hear you and your friends have this kind of issue. I really wish you wouldn't have to go through physical pain to stay on the website. It's ridiculous.
I still love the website, and I love all the friends I've made and I refuseΒ to leave because of the staff's fuck ups. But I know a lot of people will leave, and that breaks my heart.
I honestly wish I could knock some sense into the devs, but they just care about money and making this website as much of a mobile Artstation lookalike.
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66kuromi In reply to J-E-N-0-V-A [2019-06-13 15:18:00 +0000 UTC]
Mood !! Newer, younger artists should be encouraged! And as an art site, i feel like dA should give those artists a chance rather than the ones that are already popular !
And thank you! I had a lot of trouble last night from some ppl who were like "oh well you dont belong on this site then" and shit like that just because of stuff like my visual impairments... it sucks to be treated like youre less than someone else for disabilities and such.
I really really wish I didnt have to leave once dA pushes eclipse fully but i know I may have to for my health and that sucks! I try to make a living from my art bc I cant get an irl job... and idk what i'll do w/o dA : pensive :
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Luzanami In reply to ??? [2019-06-13 12:06:29 +0000 UTC]
Contrast makes you sick ? I'm sorry if this is rude, but could you please explain ? I'm curious.
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66kuromi In reply to Luzanami [2019-06-13 12:07:27 +0000 UTC]
I never said it was the contrast that makes me sick.Β
I get that you're curious, but i'd rather not explain. I have a lot of medical problems and visual problems that cause shit like this.Β
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Luzanami In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 20:34:59 +0000 UTC]
I understand, sorry :/ Maybe could you just tell me what are the "bad" things a graphic designer should avoid ? Or solutions ?
I have to make websites sometimes, and I'd rather avoid getting people sick :/
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66kuromi In reply to Luzanami [2019-06-13 20:37:16 +0000 UTC]
Honestly everything with eclipse lmao, just the whole thing. Like im not trying to be vague i actually mean everything of it affects me, from the layout of things to the colors, to fuckin everything.
I could design a better site myself honestly, i know how to lol...
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Luzanami In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-14 11:57:06 +0000 UTC]
alright, sorry to have bothered you
I hope things will work out. I think there is a light theme so maybe that will help ?
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66kuromi In reply to Luzanami [2019-06-14 11:58:08 +0000 UTC]
It doesnt help, but thanks lmao
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JosephSelahJr In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 13:02:44 +0000 UTC]
I think you should explain.Β If you really want DA to listen then you should the actual issues.Β Β
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Squizzly In reply to JosephSelahJr [2019-06-13 14:36:53 +0000 UTC]
dm-ed.com/info/contrast-sensitβ¦
you could have googled this yourself in ten seconds. just saying.
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JosephSelahJr In reply to Squizzly [2019-06-13 14:41:56 +0000 UTC]
My point isn't even that I care.Β My point is that if 66kuromi actually thinks that will help the argument, then state the conditions.
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Squizzly In reply to JosephSelahJr [2019-06-13 14:39:38 +0000 UTC]
we dont know if it is, but what we do know is that it IS an issue and the most common reason for the contrast complaints on the eclipse layout. my friend has autism and this contrast sensitivity and cant read anything that is white on black background and vice versa. his brain cannot compute it, thus giving him migraine attacks.
this issue has been brought up for months now, yet dA chooses to still ignore it.
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JosephSelahJr In reply to Squizzly [2019-06-13 14:47:00 +0000 UTC]
Those are all great arguments to have with DA.Β Not me.Β And good on you for actually stating your medical needs.Β That's hugely helpful for the staff I'm sure.
Anyways.Β I'm outie.
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Squizzly In reply to JosephSelahJr [2019-06-13 16:40:41 +0000 UTC]
"My friend"
Reading comprehension level 0.
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66kuromi In reply to JosephSelahJr [2019-06-13 13:03:33 +0000 UTC]
The actual issues? I listed the actual issues why eclipse is bad for me, im not telling deviantart my own issues lmao. What would explaining MY issues do for deviantart.
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dayova In reply to ??? [2019-06-13 11:52:57 +0000 UTC]
you're not alone, my eyes are fucked already and even with glasses the contrast of DA makes me feel sick, along with headaches. sadly if DA doesn't fix it then I, along with many others, would have to leave. something I wouldn't want to do :/
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66kuromi In reply to dayova [2019-06-13 11:54:00 +0000 UTC]
Aye i have glasses too! Thats one of the reasons it completely overloads me, because my visuals are absolutely fucked enough without dA adding to it....
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dayova In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:13:29 +0000 UTC]
yup, i feel you 100% ! I can't stand the contrast. other sites do it well (twitter, discord) cause they're not trying to use almost pure black on almost pure white, its like.. a blue toned black and then like a light blue toned grey for text, or for light theme its often a off white with blue toned grey text. DA just feels like its gone straight for almost pure black, almost pure white, and then dont understand why its giving people issues. thats the one no-no of any design of anything, you just don't put certain colors together unless youre TRYING to cause issues lol.
many many many of us have been complaining, I think i've yelled on every one of these 'change logs' and sent multiple amounts of feedback but heard nothing.
the sad reality is that they only hear what *they* want to here and NOT what the userbase wants. which, at the end of the day, should be your primary concern.
"we've added the things you wanted!" except you didn't cause most of us want proper custom boxes back, a different site contrast.. i mean they removed the whole empty space feeling somewhat but not all of the other issues which is just, sad
i'm so upset with how this is turning out. ive been a member of dA since my 'kiddie' days of around 13, its sad to see a site crash and burn. i know once this becomes permanent i won't be able to be on da anymore, so i've been trying to find other platforms like twitter. but i know id lose many of the people i currently interact with and watch as they aren't doing the same, but i can't compromise my health. im not doing it in protest or that i dont like the new site i'm having to do it cause i literally *cant* be here :/ (
(side note: i keep staring at your icon cause its so fucking adorable <33)
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66kuromi In reply to dayova [2019-06-13 12:17:04 +0000 UTC]
God yeah, Also with the current dA colors, my colorblind ass struggles to read a lot of the words honestly just because of the background theyre on. Its so fucked. I've complained so much and sent so many tickets and got no response either.. you'd think they'd take the concerns of one of their disabled users quite literally since their new site physically affects me
I've also been around dA since my kiddie days! Below 13 honestly ... lmao.. I know that theres a site called artr.ise coming up and it looks really good, its made by members of dA too who dont want eclipse! So it should come out absolutely amazing
Also thank you!! Shes my oc kuromi! I love her to absolute pieces.... Shes one of my sonas!
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to ??? [2019-06-13 11:17:13 +0000 UTC]
Same here
It isn't as bad for me but it still gives me nausea and headaches.
DeviantArt is just digging it's own grave with this, I think they want to add it for professionals so it looks more professional but... honestly deviantart has and will always be a hobby site for me, there are other places for professionals such as art station. Deviantart is really not listening to its user and its depressing.
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 11:19:19 +0000 UTC]
Imo they're just copying other art sites to look more modern, i've said this once and i'll say it again, we're DEVIANTart, we're not supposed to be like other fucking art sites! I think they wont listen to us also because of their contract to wix f.
I cant get a job irl bc ive been told it would be bad for me physically and mentally, so im trying to make money off of my art. And if deviantart goes through with this idk what im gonna do.
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:22:59 +0000 UTC]
YEA EXACTLY, deviantart should be a place where all weirdos can come together and make artwork of whatever they like, no presure, no nothing.
While I'm still in school for like, a few more months I can't find a job as well because of mental health and deviantart is actually a place that has allot of people willing to pay money, but they are pushing them away by forcing us to use eclipse.
Just a bit brighter in night mode or darker in light mode and it would be allready better (atleast the colors are my main problem). But no, gotta look generic late 10's style am I right?
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 11:25:09 +0000 UTC]
Honestly, It all just bothers me, the whole eclipse including the colors. The way its set out, the way everything is. Its so different n shit and I hate it, not to mention the fucking overloads it gives me, its horrible!
And yeah, While i normally dont rly.. get commissioned (F) I'd like to think if i was more popular I would and I could actually make a job out of this, but with everyone leaving because of eclipse i dont think thats really possible
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:30:21 +0000 UTC]
I gotta agree, It's just a big mess and trying way to hard to look modern, they pretty much just push their sensitive users away.
I also never get commissions but with all the people leaving, it's not really worth it imo. I could imagen that if i'd switch side I might also get commissions but, Twitter can be pretty good too but also really shit, tumblr's a mess and furraffinity, not really a furry. So yea, it's so annoying how they force eclipse down our throat
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 11:35:57 +0000 UTC]
Yup! I've tried FA although im not a furry, its... not that good honestly lmao..
I'd try Twitter but getting followers on there seems so fuckin hard? F
I hope if dA do go with this, a better, new site will come out and i can move over to that : pensive : I heard of artri.se and im excited for that but idk when its gonna be up and running
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:38:12 +0000 UTC]
Yea getting followers on twitter is REALLY hard, not to mention people will easly unfollow you if you say something slightly wrong. (One of my friends said that they found a trans character poorly writen and people told her shes transphobic and she lost half of her following)
But arti.se is a really good option, can't wait till we can use itΒ Β
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 11:42:32 +0000 UTC]
Yeah! I've noticed like.. A lot of people only follow people on there to get follows back, thats why i rarely follow people back on twitter lol...
Also christ! Thats not transphobic at all, and thats coming from a trans nb person haha. And yeah! I'm rly excited for when it gets fully released
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:47:06 +0000 UTC]
Ok so I checked the transphobia thing again and. I was wording myself a bit poor
So basiclly, the character Roxy from homestuck was suddenly anounced to be genderfluid/nb/trans, I am not even sure what or how. In the first half when they were a guardian, they were a mom with feminine clothing and all and in the second half of the comic, they still had a very feminine side. In the epiloge she was suddenly announce to be nonbinary (like i said) and it was like the "dumbledore is gay" thing. My friend said that they think it was a poor choice just to please tumblr and that she will still see them as a nonbinary female. Everyone then insulted her and started to say how "it doesnt matter how many trans friends you have you transphobe" and acted like its the end of the world
So yea, twitter is a yikes for me
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 11:50:47 +0000 UTC]
Oh GOD that. That is 100% so bullshit honestly, I stopped reading homestuck ages ago but i heard about that and i was so fucking angry. You can't go through the whole comic referring to someone as a GIRL and then be like "OH SHES GENDERFLUID/NB/TRANS NOW!!!" fucking god. I did hear though that the epilogues (the roxy thing being in the epilogue) are not fully canon though.
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:54:30 +0000 UTC]
Honestly I was mad too, it just sounded like a way to please an angry mob and it makes transgender/nonbinary look like a choice.
Oh I didn't knew that but I'm glad I do now, however the people making fun of my friend thought it was 100% canon and took it so serious while I was like.
First off, my friend actually trolled a little bit and said stuff she doesnt actually agreeΒ with.
And second, Its a comic with aliens that mastrubates into buckets, why take a character from that so serious and oh idk, an actual trans person that is being bullied?!
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:06:00 +0000 UTC]
100% being trans and nonbinary is not a choice (im literally both lmao.. i didnt chose to be this.)
People should honestly read up more, i didnt even see the epilogues and i know for a fact thatΒ theyre not fully canon smh.
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:07:24 +0000 UTC]
That is actually depresing that you knew it better than them lmao.
And yea it isn't,,, but hussie,,, made it look like it was a choice and,,, yikes
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:08:40 +0000 UTC]
Honestly the whole homestuck fandom is toxic. I literally had to leave because i was being accused of sprite ripping when i wasnt lmao. Sprites being how i mostly made my money, I now have very little ways to actually support myself now.
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:22:10 +0000 UTC]
Yikes, that really sucks, I hope you find a way to ear money soon!
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:23:27 +0000 UTC]
Thank u!
I've honestly tried putting up ychs and selling some of my ocs but nothings working : pensive :
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:36:46 +0000 UTC]
Yikes, that sucks,,,
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:44:54 +0000 UTC]
yeah F
i do make adopts tho on a separate acc and they sell quite well!.. only problem is ppl seem to favor paying in points
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:46:03 +0000 UTC]
I think its because a lot of people on DA are young and dont have paypal/a credit card
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:47:27 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but I had a paypal way before I was legally old enough to have one! You just gotta be careful, its easy to not get caught jkfgdhfgdg
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gdpr-38103316 In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 12:47:57 +0000 UTC]
ljkjkjkjadad Thanks for the tip
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66kuromi In reply to gdpr-38103316 [2019-06-13 12:49:04 +0000 UTC]
dgkljdfg no problem!
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AgniConnor In reply to ??? [2019-06-13 11:01:12 +0000 UTC]
Well put! It seems that nobody is listening to us, though.Β
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66kuromi In reply to AgniConnor [2019-06-13 11:03:13 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! It really does seem like that. I think theyre not listening to us because of their contract with wix lmao... f
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AgniConnor In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:05:32 +0000 UTC]
Yep, seems like it. I've voiced my concerns too. No reply or anything. Do you know when they're planning to switch to Eclipse permanently? I switched to Eclipse briefly but it was so bad that I switched back as soon as I could.
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66kuromi In reply to AgniConnor [2019-06-13 11:07:11 +0000 UTC]
I've voiced mine so many times with no reply either, quite sad how theyre ignoring us. I don't! I really hope It isn't soon though
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AgniConnor In reply to 66kuromi [2019-06-13 11:09:00 +0000 UTC]
Let's hope it won't happen any time soon. In the meantime, I intend to enjoy the status quo. I'm still using the pre-Eclipse version of DeviantArt and loving it.
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