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Made with deviantART muro Because I should... And it was a request. Enjoy!Related content
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This is both creepy and cool at the same time. ^.^
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This drawing is simply epicl. I just have to ask this question. Do you use an IPad to make these drawings?
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Nope, this is all done on Deviant Art's own Muro program right here on DA. I've been using my broken wacom tablet at home or the cintiq at work.
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I ask because to draw with a mouse is too difficult. I wish I had a touch screen so I could have more control of the movements of my hand...
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That one is going into the favorites.
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I'll never forget that look on her face when Mumm-Ra put his fingers around her neck like he was holding a glass of wine! DAMN!
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Ah Pumyra, I hope those other 26 episode will have Lion-o address what a hypocrite you are.
Why hypocrite? Let's ignore the fact you want revenge on someone who had an excuse to not save you, namely that he was not within hearing or seeing range of you. You chose to live to serve Mumm-Ra, who is not only the enemy of your kind, but also the one who led the attack on Thundera, the attack that took your life to begin with.
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Um the gods of evil brought her back so she maybe a puppet in a way.
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Fair enough, but she seemed far too in control at the time.
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It's easy as hell to give into rage and evil. also keep in mind most of Lion-o people saw him as a slacker and felt Tigra was more worthy to succeed the throne.
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Fair enough, but still one thing she's forgetting. She's siding with Mumm-ra, IE the guy who caused her death in the first place.
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and they don't grant that much free will.
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You're basing this off of what now? Because the Tiger Clan pretty much had free reign to do whatever they wanted, until Tygra was born and they asked for his death. Which since they're not the Ancient Spirits of Good, I could understand.
Heck if they had mind control abilities to their arsenal, wouldn't they have employed that back in the Leo days, to make sure none of Mumm-Ra's generals underneath him had even the slightest chance to betray him?
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You reallly really think the gods of evil are gonna give someone all knowing power and free reign for free? Didn't do it in the last series so why this series. Look you can find a reason to hate a character hate for all I care I'm just point out reason why they may have done what they did. As far as anyone knows the story has ended and won't continue unless cartoon network someone allows it.
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I'm just going by what's been proven in the series. The Tiger clan, the ones that choose to follow the ASOE, weren't slaves to them. They freely choose to worship them. That just ended up biting them in the tail afterwards when the sickness started. When Mumm-Ra had all of those animals enslaved to him. He didn't use the mind control to subjugate them.
Heck the only instance of Mind Control Mumm-Ra displays in the entirety of the show was when he was forcing Jaga to show him the location of the Tower of Omens. And even then he didn't show any real aptitude with the skill. So now your saying he became a master of mind control just to use on Pumyra?
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Again no mind control but the tiger clan was kept on a leash in other ways with their mutations that they did control until the curse was broken. The gods of evil have Other ways to control their minions. Again there is probably more of a story with her betrayal than what is should so far. you can Believe if you want there wasn't control for the way she acted but quite frankly Why wouldn't they twist her rage, feed it and direct it at her king.
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Ok at this point you're just basing your opinion on what you'd 'hope' to happen not actual fact. I believe Mumm-Ra heard her rage call out to him, which was why he acted. So again Pumyra of her own free will called out to Mumm-Ra to bring her back from the dead. Not the ASOE twisted her dying soul into begging Mumm-Ra to restore her.
I mean why can't she just be a pissed off person that does a stupid thing when they're hurt and confused. For instance, in Avatar:TLA Zuko decided to join forces with her sister, (who had been trying to kill him the entire season mind you), just for an opportunity to get back at Aang and to rejoin the fire nation. Sometimes anger makes you do incredibly stupid things, like sign a deal with a devil, just so you can enact your revenge. What Pumyra has demonstrated is she's capable of allowing her anger to override her logic. Which is still a very human thing to do.
Also, I have to ask you, where have you seen any acts in the past with the ASOE, that demonstrate them controlling someone's freewill through supernatural means? You say that they kept the tiger clan on a short leash, but that doesn't equal to mind control. And they only gotten curse after the Tiger's prayed to them for a cure for the disease and didn't follow through their end of the bargain. An act that they freely choose, came to bite them on in the tail, because they decided to deal with evil forces. It wasn't something that the ASOE decided to do on a whim, they acted because the Tiger didn't complete their task. ASOE just have harsh consequences for failure.
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"Ok at this point you're just basing your opinion on what you'd 'hope' to happen not actual fact. I believe Mumm-Ra heard her rage call out to him, which was why he acted. So again Pumyra of her own free will called out to Mumm-Ra to bring her back from the dead. Not the ASOE twisted her dying soul into begging Mumm-Ra to restore her.
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and what power did he use to resurrect her from whom?
"I mean why can't she just be a pissed off person that does a stupid thing when they're hurt and confused."
Because she died maybe.
Also, I have to ask you, where have you seen any acts in the past with the ASOE, that demonstrate them controlling someone's freewill through supernatural means? You say that they kept the tiger clan on a short leash, but that doesn't equal to mind control. And they only gotten curse after the Tiger's prayed to them for a cure for the disease and didn't follow through their end of the bargain. An act that they freely choose, came to bite them on in the tail, because they decided to deal with evil forces. It wasn't something that the ASOE decided to do on a whim, they acted because the Tiger didn't complete their task. ASOE just have harsh consequences for failure."
You're ignoring the fact the tiger clan turn into monsters and the ASOE commanded them to kill Tygra and would have had Tygra not broken the curse at the end of that episode.
Once again you're free to be mad at her but there's more to her story that we'll never know.
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It's not about me being mad at her. I don't care what happens to her. But I am using facts from what has happened in the series to support my argument. I'm sorry you have nothing to actually support your theory outside of, "They're Evil they do that." As you can see there is no anger in my statements. I'm just stating what has been proven.
Yes, the ASOE transformed the Tiger Clan into monsters, but Javan didn't allow that to alter his feelings for Tygra. He still wished for his son to live and was thinking not of himself but for his son's life. Which again proves that although the ASOE had a hand in that situation, they weren't directly controlling all of the Tiger's actions. They had free will.
Again there isn't any instance in the show where Mumm-Ra or the ASOE have direct control over anyone's free will, outside of that instance with Jaga, that clearly showed a direct influence of power. If you can show me, an actual instance where it has occurred and not where you've hypothesized that it happened, then I'll clearly retract the statement.
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'It's not about me being mad at her. I don't care what happens to her. But I am using facts from what has happened in the series to support my argument. I'm sorry you have nothing to actually support your theory outside of, "They're Evil they do that." As you can see there is no anger in my statements. I'm just stating what has been proven."
I Have too.
"Yes, the ASOE transformed the Tiger Clan into monsters, but Javan didn't allow that to alter his feelings for Tygra. He still wished for his son to live and was thinking not of himself but for his son's life. Which again proves that although the ASOE had a hand in that situation, they weren't directly controlling all of the Tiger's actions. They had free will. "
Once again look at the end of the episode At the end AGOE order them to kill Tygra and there was nothing Javin could do to stop himself. Yes that did happen and no they did not in their transformed state have free will.
"Again there isn't any instance in the show where Mumm-Ra or the ASOE have direct control over anyone's free will, outside of that instance with Jaga, that clearly showed a direct influence of power. If you can show me, an actual instance where it has occurred and not where you've hypothesized that it happened, then I'll clearly retract the statement.
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Yeah they were also frenzied monsters incapable of free will in the first place. In their monster form they are controlled by the ASOE, but that was in the monster form because at that point they were more denizens of 'evil' than anything else. But in their regular tiger forms they were thinking beings just like anyone else.
Ok let me slightly amend because I see the argument arising from this statement. It's been shown that the ASOE don't have direct influence over rational thinking beings, which Pumyra appears to have been.
Now if she turned into shadow monster Pumyra then yes I'd concede to your point and the ASOE would have control over her. Outside of that she's been free to think and choose on her own.
Now unless your saying that because she died the ASOE brought her back changed somehow. Again I think that's dubious because all of the members of the Tiger clan died, yet the ASOE didn't alter their thinking in any sort of way. If so Javan would have tried to encourage Tygra to stay so they would then be trapped.
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"Now if she turned into shadow monster Pumyra then yes I'd concede to your point and the ASOE would have control over her. Outside of that she's been free to think and choose on her own.
Now unless your saying that because she died the ASOE brought her back changed somehow. Again I think that's dubious because all of the members of the Tiger clan died, yet the ASOE didn't alter their thinking in any sort of way. If so Javan would have tried to encourage Tygra to stay so they would then be trapped. "
The AGOE didn't have to alter the tigers due to their pride. They were their slaves anyways. Samething for Pumyra's rage. she has some free will but she is a willing slave to her Rage of her Death.
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So basically by your own admittance she is willingly allowing herself to be in the situation she's in. Therefore there is no controlling factor by the ASOE because she's volunteering her body and rage for their cause.
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Not Really. I'm saying her rage is what the Ancient gods of evil are using to control her. It's why she is a slave to mumma-ra. Just as Mummra is a slave to their power.
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So now Mumm-Ra is also a puppet to the ASOE? I guess no one is responsible for their own wrong doings. It's all the ASOE fault! lol
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Thank you for bowing out. ^^
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Thanks so much for doing these in Muro, I LOVE seeing your technique!!!
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My favourite one so far, these are really cool!
Will you be doing Tygra as well? I hope so
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Sheer awesomeness! I love whole your work done with these chars
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I'd wager you spent a lot of time holding your tongue about these two wishing you could draw something up. I still say that was one of the most perfectly executed betrayals I've ever seen!
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I got to say, as soon as I saw Pumyra introduced to the show her constant aggressive nature towards Lion-O, not to mention her constant abusive nature, I kind of had a feeling she was going to betray him. Not to mention when the episode 26 synopsis came out I had it pegged for her. To be honest a lot of the story elements that went down in episode 26 mirror what happened in episode 13. So *shrugs* I'm not surprised the show ain't doing so well.
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Many didn't read the pre-released synopsis's when they came out, just waiting episode by episode. Without that reading it appeared she'd play hard-ball, but eventually warm up. Overall even if the final episode threw a curve-ball, seen or not, the writing and production values were way above standard cartoon levels.
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I'll agree the presentation, character design, and animation was decent, but the writing was sub-par at best, mediocre at worst. I guarantee if the writing was on the level of the presentation of the series, they wouldn't be in limbo right now.
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Agreed, it was a very cool twist! I definitely didn't see that one coming
I admit, this plot development was a very risky thing for them to do but it had paid off IMO
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You better believe it was a risk, but you'd be a fool to think they messed it up.
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Couldn't agree more
To be honest, the Original Pumyra didn't really do much anyway (don't get me wrong, I liked her but let's keep it real), but as for the New Pumyra...She's certainly left her mark now in the ThunderCats Universe
Damn, there better be a 2nd Season (fingers crossed) or some closure at least.
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There's rumors that the director actually forgot who she was....ouch...
Yeah, the new version certainly stirred up a fuss, I hope she didn't turn people off from the series.
Speaking of Season 2, you may want to read this: [link]
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Thanks for the Link, that sounds really interesting
But saying that and as good as that idea is, isn't it a bit too soon? While the deafening silence in regards to the 2nd Season is really frustrating me, I think it's best to wait and see for a little bit more first (afterall, there's still that Petition which could still work, you never know)
Don't get me wrong, that is a brilliant idea but for me personally, I just think it's too early to worry about that. I'd give it til 2013 at least and of STILL nothing, then begin with the Fan made Season 2 idea.
That's just me though 
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You do not offend, and I understand where you're coming from. I have it on hand that it's unlikely that the silence will change, I still hold hope myself. Companies have a nasty habit of ignoring petitions afterall.
That said, I find that getting the gears rolling now, while a bit premature, may be the only way to begin the process in a timely manner. Without a studio, budget, or professional equipment, it will take time to move things along. Starting now stands the best chance that by the time people call it quits on CN, production will be far enough for teaser trailers or even an episode premier.
I've been a fan of many home-brewed animations, and often they take months to produce 15 minute episodes, because quality takes time, and it is that which I am planning for.
I am, however, adding this to the journal since you make a valid point, and I agree that while people can call this jumping the gun, I do need to justify such timing on a rollout.
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Thanks and can't argue with that
Even though I think it's too soon, I do like that you've planned ahead and thought about everything carefully. I for one, respect that
Anyways, I wish you luck with this and once again brill idea
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