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They may not have been the best person, but they weren't the worst, either.Chara is not evil.
They were not good, but never evil.
Only corrupted.
By your choices.
You chose to make Chara believe that killing was right, and that sparing and giving mercy was wrong.
No, not Chara themself. You.
Chara is not evil.
Only corrupted.
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Bitch, Chara is the representation of us. The player. They ARE us, they show us what we have become. A feelingless monstrosity, one that stopped caring, corrupted by determination. And it's not like they get away with what they did, either. Both Chara and Asriel DON'T get a happy ending. They just stay there. Trapped in the underground, feelingless. I've had an idea for a comic where Frisk, unsatisfied, decides to save EVERYONE in the underground and therefore reach the true end of their journey. They go through hell just to give those two a redemption. A new life. Eventually, they succeed, sacrificing their SOUL. Each half for one of them, and by the help of the DT extractor, a synthetic halves keeping them alive. The comic is about Chara and Asriel's everyday life on the surface. For example, Chara getting really depressed, blaming themselves for Frisk's death.
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I agree with this.
Chara was forced to kill everyone because of the player's boredom of routes, and if you pay attention to the dialogue; it is shown that Chara's narration changes in both Pacifist and Genocide.
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Nobody killed the monsters except for frisk so like 🤠
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Their not friken evil, the fandom just doesn't realize or want to take responsibility for the genocide, using Chara as a scapegoat. It makes me sick, if Chara wasn't blamed, literally everything would be different, every comic, every fan fiction, every perception of the game could have been different... But no. People refuse it, and deny Chara having a "good side". I hate it.
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And consider thinking of it this way, having a villain in Undertale goes against everything the game stands for. Heck even characters that come close to being villains, like Flowey, turn out to not be villains at the end.
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They're not evil,
They're Quite literally just Sick of our Shit.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpd…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uY1Ey… (followup)
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It's a funny thing, considering the time Chara lived in...as well as their last wish to Asriel.
Monsters and Humans weren't exactly getting along, to put it delicately, and Chara's last wish was for Asriel to bring them to the human village; where Asriel was subsequently BEATEN TO DEATH.
There was no way Chara couldn't have known the time they lived in involved bad relations between humans and monsters. It was as plain as the horns on Asgore's head. You might say, "Oh, how can you be so sure Chara knew?" but how can YOU be so sure they DIDN'T?
Getting your sibling intentionally killed is a pre-tty evil thing to do, isn't it?
For the record, I'm not dissing Chara. I think Chara's a fantastic villain. And you have your opinion, as I have mine.
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I know this comment thread is old as hell, and the person this is replying too is deactivated,
But has anyone actually taken a moment to think about just what they did, what kind of decision it was for Chara to bring her own body to the surface???
Human monster relations may've been bad, but even so, the reaction that the humans had when Asriel popped up was Batshit INSANE.
And No one in their right mind would've assumed that that would be the outcome considering what they did.
Think about it. Really think about what Asriel was doing. Asriel was Cradeling Chara's dead body in his arms.
Even with a Monster that you are afraid of, You know what any actually sane person would see that as?
A SIGN THAT THE "MONSTER" CARES ABOUT THE HUMAN THEY ARE CARRYING.
Does attacking that Monster before they even show a single sign of aggression make any reasonable sense to you?
Why would it make sense to Chara?
In the Undertale universe, this, as well as the circumstances of the war make it incredibly clear.
Humans in this universe are just unreasonably paranoid little shits.
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their plan was to open the barrier together, chara wanted asriel to fight back but he resisted. asriel never truly wanted to kill anyone even if it's for a good cause, it's his own fault for putting his feelings aside for anothers.
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With Chara having spent so much time with Asriel, how could they not have known, at least deep down, that Asriel wouldn't fight? Chara spent a LOT of time with Asriel, and they didn't know he wouldn't fight?
The only way you'd ever get me to support good Chara, is if Chara was reformed. Like, evil, but not evil anymore.
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because he agreed with the plan, and was surprised when asriel didn't fight back, if you listen to asriel he said that chara WANTED him to fight
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Yes, Chara wanted Asriel to fight. But given how much time the two spent together, how did Chara not know that Asriel didn't want to fight? How was Chara surprised that the one who called them "sibling", did not fight? I mean, a sibling knows you better than you know yourself. I know, I have a brother who I've spent almost every moment of my life with. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that my brother wouldn't want to go out fighting back, against anyone who got in the way of doing something he felt he had to do. I know my brother enough to know he wouldn't do that. It's the same with Asriel and Chara. Those two have spent nearly every moment of their life together, and yet somehow, some possible way, Chara is SHOCKED to hear that Asriel didn't do anything out of character for him? Give Chara some credit. They're not stupid.
So, tell me why Chara was surprised to hear Asriel wouldn't fight back against the humans, despite Asriel not being a typically violent individual?
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you'd be right if chara did FORCE him but asriel AGREED with chara's plan, and even if i live with my family, there are still some things i don't know about them,you can't expect someone to guess another person's actions exactly %100 correct, it's not weird to expect someone to fight back when attacked, even the most pacifist person will defend themselves when attacked to the point of death in usual situations(i might be wrong but it's also maybe implied chara didn't know the control of the souls being split.) . Besides if he wanted to kill asriel then he could easily do it, and absorb his soul to do whatever the fuck they want, but they choose to die in a slow and painful way to free the monsters instead, why go all the trouble when you could kill the entire dreemurr family without much trouble? i honestly think Asriel had more fault, he shouldn't've throw his feelings completely aside on such an important matter, even though he's my favorite, this is my personal opinion
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It wouldn't be easy for Chara to kill Asriel themselves. Why? Because Asriel is the son of the king and the queen. And for Chara's last wish before they died, they could have chosen ANYTHING. Their family to stay strong. Their family not to do anything to get killed. For Asriel to have their locket. Anything. But they wanted to die in the flowers of their village. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chara hate humanity? Why would they want to go back to the place they seemed to hate the most? Unless it was to get away from monsterkind, then there wouldn't really be any reason for Chara to go back.
And I'm not saying Chara was evil from the get-go. No villain ever really is. Villains usually have some form of justification for their actions. Maybe Chara wanted to wipe out both worlds they felt abandoned by. Maybe Chara wanted to take revenge. Who knows what sort of justification they found to take control of Frisk in the Genocide Route?
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Actually their last wish was just a cover-up they actually made a secret plan with asriel to take six human souls and open the barrier, that's why they poisoned themselves, so asriel can go to the surface take six human souls, and break the barrier. also frisk can kill asgore and toriel without much problem, why couldn't it be the same for chara?
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If it's true what you say about Chara and Asriel's plan, we just may have our reason why Chara became evil; because of the trust that Asriel broke. Chara probably wanted revenge because of it. Against humans, monsters, and everyone. If not, and Chara just wanted to live their life in a household they thought cared for them, well... it's a tragedy to think about, if Chara saw, heard, or felt anything that made them think that their adoptive family didn't care for them.
Why couldn't it be the same for Chara, to kill Asgore, Toriel, and Asriel? Because their soul didn't have enough LV. With Frisk, who journeyed through the underground and had a chance to gather LV, they had a better time doing what Chara failed to do.
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i'm too lazy to link stuff but it's %100 true,you can research it. that's a valid explanation too but my personal headcanon is that frisk/player ended up slowly corrupting chara(hey chara is the one who gains LOVE and not frisk in the status screen xd .), and pacifist route made them closer to his actual personality before-death, it's even implied chara helped frisk to save asriel in pacifist. LOVE is literally level of violence, it's more like you become more emotionally distant as you kill and hate does more damage, someone with a heart filled with hate can easily kill.
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Alright, I'll research it when I can. Truthfully, it's late my time and I'm a bit tired.
What I think happened with Frisk and Chara on the genocide path, is that Chara after death had become a vengeful spirit and decided to use Frisk to exact their revenge upon monsters, for the trust that Asriel had broken with the plan the two had. If Asriel was so untrustworthy in Chara's mind, then there was no telling what the other monsters were really like.
On the pacifist path, it's possible that Frisk heard of Chara's spirit lingering in the underground, or by it, at least, and wanted to try and show them the truth about the monsters they've grown to hate. Which could end up leading to Chara having a bit of a redemption arc, and be a reformed villain.
As I said before, the only good, nonvillainous Chara I'd accept, is reformed Chara; who learned they were wrong to distrust and hate both monsters and humans.
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fair enough, but frisk kills without chara's interrupting all the time, so it's almost like the player gets to blame someone else in my opinion
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Chara's appearances are subtle in the genocide route before the ending are there, but it takes hold over time.
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Chara is not a villein though.
Maybe and Anti hero or anti Villein.
Yeah she did bad things but she had good intentions to do so.
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Like possessing Frisk to slaughter every monster underground, should the player choose to go genocide?
And don't you DARE bring up that "Player's really evil" bullshit. You know Chara's the one you keep seeing on the genocide route.
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Um there is no evidence that Chara actually possessed Frisk. As Frisk moves in their own in all three runs.
Also shows zero signs of demonic possession.
Besides why would Chara harm her family.
it is Frisk (the player character) who is to blame for the Genocide run (but also to thank for the Pacifist run they are a True Neutral character)
Or are you one of those nitwits who thinks Frisk is a pure pacifist angel.
But I agree with you in one point the Third Entity theory is pretty stupid.
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There is plenty of evidence that Chara possessed Frisk. Ranging from Chara's reflection in puddles and mirrors to her red dialogue text saying things like "Where are the knives?", and even the genocide ending where Chara pretty much admits it. And Chara would hurt her family for the same reason another psychopath would: Chara just doesn't care.
I do pin Chara as the killer and Frisk as the pacifist, but solely because there are two different story routes to take; one of which allows Chara to take control over Frisk and use her to destroy the Underground.
And not all pacifists are sweethearts, some of them can be real jerks. You do have the option to be rude on the pacifist run, being far from a "pure angel".
And I'm glad we agree on the Third Entity theory. It really takes away from the gameplay, in my opinion.
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No there is not.
the puddle thing can happen in any run (I have seen it in pacifist)
Chara is the Narrator in every run.
Also If i remember correctly from the Genocide run Chara says "This is your fault
You killed them
You brought this world to its end.
But you think you are above the consequences!"
Also a major sign of demonic possession is night terrors and Frisk sleeps quite well in the run.
Also Chara is not a psychopath nor a Sociopath as she shows signs of Compassion and Care for her family. Such as telling you how to spare monsters and going dead quite when you have to fight Asgore... her adoptive Father.
Chara litterly died to Free the monsters and save her family.
That's utterly ridiculous. We play as Frisk in all runs and Chara is the one doing the narrations in all runs.
And what about the neutral runs did Chara possess frisk in that..
no as you can choose to spare any monster or kill any monster. Frisk/we are in complete control in that run and there is little difference between the two runs except in geno we spare no one.
Why can't Frisk do wrong.
Why can't Frisk pursue there own agenda.
Surely we know nothing about Frisk. Not there gender... not there motives... not there personally.
Just because they actually speak on there own in Pacifist does not mean they are truly pacifist
The third entity theory takes away from the story.
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I've played through the pacifist run, and I've seen no sign of Chara in any mirrors or puddles at all. Plus, there's no way of telling how Frisk slept in any run. Her expression never changes when she gets out of bed.
And I can't recall Chara/the narrator ever telling you how to spare a monster. Only one I thought of is the Froggit.
And Chara died to save her family? How did she not know the current relationship with humans and monsters, given her last request; to go back to the human village? How could she be unaware of how the other humans hated monsters? Since the humans were so quick to blame Asriel for Chara's death, it was pretty evident.
As for Chara blaming you, she also mentions the feeling of gaining EXP and LV, being her.
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It's a rare event like seeing Gaster... it doesn't happen every game.
Yes but they do sleep the same amount of time thus not awaken from a nightmare.
She tells you to not pick on the loox which is the exact option used to spare him.
And that beetle guy who doesn't attack you while alone she says hes not a bad guy just with the wrong crowd.
It states that she did in the pacifist run.
And she knew exactly what the humans would do but expected Asreil to fight back. She expected him to kill at least six of them.
I never said Chara was completely innocent just that she is not the villain nor possessed Frisk.
That's at the end of a second genocide run..
chara's pretty messed up sanity wise by that point due to Frisk's (our) actions.
Yet they still say that the genocide run is wrong and "Another path would be more suited)
Also Asgore says to Frisk in Pacifist that they remind him of someone he knew long ago and that they had the same Hope in their eyes.
Its basically confirmed hes talking about his adoptive daughter Chara. As Asgore a wise and reliable person and he compares Chara with a pacifist version of Frisk she can't be that bad.
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Asriel said as well, at the end of the pacifist run, that he admits Chara isn't exactly the best of people, and he was protecting his ideal Chara onto Frisk. Expecting Asriel to kill doesn't exactly paint her in a non-villainous light either, if you catch my drift.
And Chara could be putting on a front for Asgore and Toriel, not showing her true colors. It's not unheard of.
The way I see it, we've got two completely different stories within Undertale. One where Frisk falls into the Underground and does their best to get home while doing the right thing, the other similar, but Frisk allowing the presence of someone else in. If you check the mirror in the castle on a pacifist run, it'll say, "despite everything, it's still you", which implies it's not you on a genocide run. It's someone else. Only other one it could be, is Chara.
I suppose in a way, Chara's similar to a villainous Angel from the Supernatural TV show. In Supernatural, an angel cannot possess someone without their permission. And once permission is given, that Angel takes over and wreaks havoc in any way they see fit; through that person. Maybe Chara and Frisk are the same way. Maybe Chara somehow got Frisk to say "yes" to Chara.
I don't particularly dislike Chara. I just don't think she's as innocent as everyone makes her out to be. I think she makes a fantastic villain.
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He said that she was not the best person... he never said Chara was bad or made him do anything.
Remember that she needs six human souls to free the monsters. thus six humans must die.
Yet despite what the fandom thinks Asgore is not stupid or foolish... in fact out off all undertale characters he is the most wise character who seems to see more out of peaple... I doubt If Chara had an evil will he would at least have suspected something.
Bull! You still ignore the neutral run. How do you explain Frisk's killing of monsters in those runs.
Also the who Frisk saying "Yes" to Chara's supposed influence never happens in game. In fact there is no difference at the beginning of the Genocide run then of a Neutral or Pacifist runs.
So that's just ridiculous.
I never said she was innocent I just said shes not a demon and killing all the monsters is really out if Character thing for Chara as she cares for several of the monsters and their deaths make her and Asreil's deaths in vain.
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I think Asriel's putting that statement delicately.
Did it ever say six humans had to die, for the barrier to be broken? Or did it just say that the power of their souls were needed? Though I can see where you're coming from with the deaths, in the world of Undertale, there's magic that exists. And surely, those who know how to use it. They could have found someone else to help use the power of the souls, without killing anyone at all. I know this may not have been mentioned in the story, but it would just be logical for the world of Undertale.
And I know it's never shown in the game. I know, I know, I know. What I meant by the Supernatural comparison is an internalized event for Frisk and Frisk alone. Not the player.
Chara died of a fever. To imply the death be in vain, would be to imply that she intended to catch it. And it's an extremely shitty thing to expect your own family to go and do a thing that they otherwise wouldn't do; namely kill.
I'm glad you aren't like these morons who think Chara's completely innocent, because she's clearly not.
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Why? Why would he need to?
I believe so... as that is what happened in game. If there was a way to use the souls without killing the people the souls belonged to neither Asgore nor Chara knew it.
But that did not happen.
Um have you not completed the pacifist run? It is started that after Chara anf Asreil accidentally poisoned Asgore with buttercups. Chara felt so bad that they decided to free the monsters by eating Buttercups sp that Asreil could use her soul to enter the barrier and collect the other six.
Yeesh don't you know your lore?
Yes.
no one is completely innocent in Undertale (save perhaps Papyrus)
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I can admit, maybe Character didn't start out as a villain. But she damn sure becomes one by the time Frisk comes around.
And yeah, the only truly innocent ones are Temmie and Papyrus.
I can see the only direction we're going to go is circular, so please forgive me for cutting this off like I am.
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let's be honest, Is who we talk to at the end of a genocide Run really even Chara at that point?
I mean, they outright say they are The Feeling of a stat going up.
To be Frank, I don't Think Chara was ever Corrupted to begin with,
We were just talking to an incarnation of Pure Megalomania in Chara's Clothing.
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My Chara isn't evil, either. He just has a very rare, very powerful, and highly unstable SOUL Trait: anger, which is represented by the color crimson.
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nevermind i found it
using!
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i belive that to heres a vid on more proof www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYHXpd… watch it
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