syntheticSanity In reply to FreakOfAChick666 [2010-10-17 16:57:21 +0000 UTC]

i agree it is taking far to long perhaps its because we've been walking the rut for so long that we can't climb out without help and it probably doesn't help that we have become overweight and lazy, all the while i am sure if we do get help we will end up saying
"no we are fine down here in our rut, we are safe and comfortable"

and faith is not an excuse, if people want to use it as a crutch to fill in answer so they feel better then fine that doesn't mean they should apply their beliefs to situations that pertain to others, that is what got us into this mess.

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FreakOfAChick666 In reply to syntheticSanity [2010-10-27 23:11:42 +0000 UTC]

thats pretty much whats going to happen. sad as it sounds, but im learning to come to terms with it and just keep fighting against it.

a lot of faith is based off just plain crap. things like Taoism and Buddhism are practices that would probably be the better to study seeing as how they just try to teach peace and love and care for all living things. Christianity and all that has kinda put us down the shitter.

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-01 05:33:32 +0000 UTC]

I completely agree with everything you said!

I know that religion kinda fills in all the answers for us, and that's why we invented it. it's just the same as mythology...stories used to explain things.
but that's just it, they're just stories...it doesn't make them real.

it's very easy. despite how strongly I stand by my beliefs, it's hard. because honestly? I CAN'T be sure. and it's scary to think sometimes what could happen to me if there is an afterlife.

I think most people NEED religion in their lives, and that's why they invented it.

and I totally understand...I get jealous of my christian friends as well. they have something that I don't, and it makes them happy. i just can't bring myself to do it, you know?

i don't hate religion as a whole. i definitely hate certain aspects. but i don't hate it. it does a lot of good for a lot of people, and who am I to stop someone from having it? but I do believe that they should at least be open minded and knowledgable about other points of view. it can only help them form their own views, you know? they'll either strengthen their convictions by refuting me, or they'll reflect on their own beliefs and see if they need changing.

thank you!! I'm glad you think I defended myself well.

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-01 06:29:14 +0000 UTC]

i know theyre just stories but we want them to be true so bad that after so many years, they r real. like not the kind of real like there is a god but the kind of real like in their heads theres a god. he answers our prayers and talks to us in times of need. to me they almost seem brain washed, like all it takes is the right messanger for them to believe the sky is falling. now its just generations and generations of lies. (i call them ducks because they seem to follow who ever without ever asking where theyre going, or in this case: what theyre doing)
no one is asking u to be 100% positive. (if there is a god) he gave us our opinions so, what? he sends us to hell for coming to different conclusions then him? if he wanted us to believe in him so much, y doesnt he just show himself?
people dont NEED religion. i dont have it and im fine, but ur right for most people they lived with it for so long y change now? selfconsously, theyre afaid that if u take away this great god then they wont be able to stand on their own two feet
i get what u mean. i figured it was time to stop cheating myself the day i started cracking up i church
i agree. religion can be good, it can keep people in line and yet all it takes is one stupid book to say that were wrong for liking the same sex and now they hate us. great...

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-01 07:01:42 +0000 UTC]

it IS brainwashing!! Ironically, I babysit for a church sometimes, and so sometimes I have to watch the little kid movies they provide them, and it's all propaganda. it's disgusting.

that's a good point. why DOESN'T he just show himself? a christian would answer that he is just "testing our faith." I think it's bullshit. wouldn't actual, definite belief in him be better than just hope that he might be there?

oh, are you gay/lesbian as well?

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-02 21:30:14 +0000 UTC]

exactly, if he stopped hiding and showed himself then we wouldnt have to spend so much time fighting about it
im bi

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-03 04:55:34 +0000 UTC]

amen sister.

ah, okay. i'm personally a lesbian for the most part, but i definitely think that both sexes have something to offer.

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-04 02:38:54 +0000 UTC]

did u tell everyone or just ur close friends or no one?

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-04 03:32:26 +0000 UTC]

at first just my close friends, but as I got more comfortable with myself and with people, more people knew.

be careful who you tell, though. you don't want people judging you wrongly.

it's sad that we even have to worry about this, but it's a fact.

make sure you are able to defend yourself against attacks, though. i'm not talking about getting beaten up. people will present all kinds of anti-gay arguments and you need to be able to stand your ground.

are you out of the closet?

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-05 02:20:40 +0000 UTC]

thanks. ya im one of those people who LOVE to argue especially when i know im right, but with homosexualitly i look at the people who say its wrong and im mad but i also feel bad for them because they would betray their friends just because the all powerful GOD told them so. they dont really think for themselves. plus its to the point where theyre saying 2+2=5 and were saying it = 4. i mean how do u answer that? we should be able to love whoever we choose, its none of their business anyway. hence i dont want to fight but ill try to hold my own...
r u kidding? hell no! the closet door is still securly closed. thank goodness. mostly all of my friends r VERY against us and i feel bad lying to them but i dont want to lose them as friends. man that sounds bad... ive only told my bff. it turns out shes bi too (awesome!) she didnt tell anyone for four years, i was so shocked. i didnt even last 1 year before i told her. i dont like having secrets
i wish i was one of those people who r proud to be different, who embrass change but im so worried about what other people think of me that i dont tell them who i am. how pathedic... i have no idea how u told so many people. i dont know u but im proud of u for that cause if ur living beneath a mask ur not really living at all. u know that, i know that, the only difference is that u have the guts to back it up. GO U!
do u have any regrets? i mean do u wish u hadnt told surten people or id it show u ur true friends?

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-05 04:30:09 +0000 UTC]

I totally know what you mean about the whole 2+2=5 thing. It's like, they just blindly follow anything these religious leaders say, ignoring any contradictory evidence. it's pathetic. and also scary, when you consider just how much power the religious leaders have over people's minds and actions.

that's good that at least your best friend knows and is bi as well. it's very lonely in the closet, and it's nice to have someone to talk to about all that stuff.

it's not pathetic that you care about what people think. it's a very normal, human reaction. who wouldn't care? I know I wouldn't want to lose my friends.

here are my suggestions to you:
*only tell a few select people at first that you trust and that you know will accept you. then you can branch out and tell more people as you become more comfortable with telling people, but most importantly, as you become more comfortable with yourself.
*don't make your coming out a big deal. if you don't treat it like a big deal, it's less likely that your friends will either. just make it a casual thing, it doesn't have to be a big drama.
*think about this: you don't HAVE to tell everyone. it's really not anyone's business what you do with your body, you know? I really do know how hard it is to hide yourself and pretend, but don't feel obligated to tell everyone. a few people knowing is fine.
*once you do come out, be prepared for how things will be afterward. make sure not to make your friends uncomfortable. like with me, pretty much everyone knows, but I don't like, talk about hot girls and stuff in front of them. make sure not to act any different around them than you normally would, because you don't want them to treat you differently. and also, it will show them that you are the same person, you just like girls as well.

lol, thanks for all the admiration. I don't regret anything. I am extremely lucky to have good friends who don't care, and I have never had any problems since coming out. but, i know that my experience with coming out isn't the same as everyone elses, so I can't say that yours will be the same.

but hey! you can talk to me about this stuff as much as you want. I've already been there done that with most of this so i can give you advice, and answer your questions and help you out or whatever. I'm actually the president and founder of the Gay-Straight Alliance at my school, so I know about this kind of stuff.

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-06 02:27:44 +0000 UTC]

wow... thanks for the advice!
i read somewhere that 1 in 3 people r GLTBs so u must not be the only one of ur friends who is homosexual. u say that u dont tell ur friends if u think someones hot, but u can tell those 1 in 3 people? ur not completely alone, right?
i feel so late in the game. i mean here u r like "u should do this and this, and this helps a lot" when did u figure it out, u know that u like girls. ?
thats so sweet!
...
then again, what is a Gay-Straight Alliance?
thanks again

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-06 03:38:04 +0000 UTC]

oh, it's definitely not 1 in 3. the most commonly cited statistic is 1 in 10, which is much more likely. if it was 1 in 3, i would have a MUCH easier time finding girlfriends and finding gay friends.

and no, i'm definitely not completely alone. my very closest friends i can tell shit to. and also, i have like, 2 main groups of friends, one is predominantly gay and one is predominantly christian. it's an interesting mix. the thing is, i usually hang out with the christian people because the other group does a lot of drugs, and i'm actually a lot closer with the christian people, despite the fact i can't be as open with them.

and don't feel late in the game! I'm pretty sure I'm a few years older than you (i'm a junior in high school), and I wasn't like, born with this knowledge.

don't worry, you'll figure out things along the way, and like I said, if you have questions or anything, you can ask me. even if you think they're weird or stupid, you can still ask me.

heh, when did i figure out? that's a complicated question. my first kiss was a girl, in 7th grade. but i didn't think i liked girls then. and then in 8th grade, i had my official first girl crush. i was...12? yeah, i was like 12 or 13ish. but i had a boyfriend i really loved at the time, so i decided i was bi. and then because i had a boyfriend, i kinda forgot about the whole liking girls thing and I thought i was straight for a time being until my freshman year. i became friends with a few gay people and it reminded me of my homosexuality and that I was definitely bisexual. so that was the year I came out to everyone, started the Gay-Straight Alliance at my school(I'll explain that later), and had my first girlfriend. and then time progressed, and I realized that I wasn't in fact bisexual, but I was a lesbian.

okay. a Gay-Straight Alliance is a school club for GLBT people and straight people to come together. so basically it is open to any open-minded person. It can be a support group, educational club, community service club, or just a place to hang out and discuss things with open-minded people just like you. I read about it in a book (Rainbow Boys by Alex Sanchez...you should read it!) and I was like, omg, we need one at our school. and i've met some cool people through it.

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-06 23:54:50 +0000 UTC]

im only 13, thats pretty late if u ask me. anyway...
u were 12 in the 8th grade?! which years did u skip? (man youve got to be smart)
thats an awesome idea, and ur the president AND founder of it? SWEET! go u!!! (again)

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-07 01:35:50 +0000 UTC]

that's not late, that's right on time! Really, even though you might like people and stuff when you're younger, you actually start developing and figuring out your sexuality when you're a teenager. so yeah! you're fine!

yeah, I skipped 1st grade, and I also have a late birthday. so that's why i was so young.

well, just to clarify things, I am the president and founder of the GSA at my school. it's a national club. maybe you'll have one in high school, who knows?

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-07 22:53:07 +0000 UTC]

sweet!
so its organised by the students? thats awesome!

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ddrfreak573r In reply to w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k [2008-03-08 03:44:54 +0000 UTC]

yeah, it is. you should start one when you get to high school!

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w-o-o-d-s-t-o-c-k In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-03-09 00:46:44 +0000 UTC]

maybe, it sure sounds like a good idea

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ddrfreak573r In reply to Tenchu1 [2008-02-23 21:02:08 +0000 UTC]

see, I don't believe in God. and I think that if there is a god, he's not a very benevolent one.

because if there is a god, how could he let the Holocaust happen? how could he let war happen? how about cancer and other sicknesses and diseases? genocide? poverty? if he cares so much about his world and his creations, why is he allowing them to suffer so much?

I just don't understand how people can pray to God, expecting him to be able to get involved with the little problems of their lives, while he can't even be bothered to take care of the bigger problems of the world like the ones I stated above.

Until I get some concrete, empirical evidence that there is a god, i will continue to be an athiest. and you might say that I just have to have "faith." Well, to me, all "faith" is is merely blind hope that something is there. there's no proof, just blind believing. and I can't bring myself to believe in something that may not even be there.

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Tenchu1 In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-02-24 19:57:14 +0000 UTC]

Well, I thank god that only 2% of the world is Atheist.

And the holocaust was the will of man kind. God, no matter how powerful he is, can't just take over your body and make you do the right thing. Life as we live right now is just a test to see if we're worthy to live in a Utopia and not taint it at all when we die.

Plus, none of this would've have happened if man didn't eat the damn apple.

But, you can believe whatever you want to believe. I'm not going to push my religion on you. But, before you go a detest other people religions, you should do some research first. Like, let's say, read the Bible? It's not THAT boring of a book.

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ddrfreak573r In reply to Tenchu1 [2008-02-26 06:39:36 +0000 UTC]

so are you saying that God has the power to create a world but he does not have the power to control a mere human's actions?

that doesn't really make sense to me.

and please realize I'm not attacking you or your religion. and I don't hate you or your religion; I think religion does a lot of good in this world.
I know this world would be a lot more depraved and wicked than it already is if people didn't have religion.


there's just a lot of things that don't add up in my brain. like, believing and speaking to a god that you can't actually prove is real and has never been seen or heard or anything. and also, how do you know the extent of God's powers if you haven't talked to him? how do you know what happened at creation if only the first people were there to record it? written language did not come about until the Sumerians, which was obviously a long time after creation, so how can we really know what happened?

thank you for not pushing your religion on me, enough people have tried to do that already. the thing is, i've been really turned off by religion. and here's why:

you suggested that I read the Bible. I have. not all, but some of it. but i've read the 5 books of moses, I've gone to hebrew school and synagouge for most of my childhood (I was raised Jewish) and I just recently started the new testament. and the thing is, the religion I see today has nothing to do with what I'm reading!

a lot of "christians" (and I'm not saying you necessarily feel this way, I admit this is a generalization) support the war.

Isn't "Thou shalt not kill" one of the 10 Commandments?
in addition to that, Jesus preached about peace...
Matthew 5:39:
"But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."

another thing that's a little more personal to me, is that people use the bible to justify their hate.
see, I'm a lesbian. and Leviticus 18:22:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

condems homosexuality (although it is completely taken out of context and doesn't actually say anything about loving, committed gay relationships). And people use that to justify their hatred towards me! I'm not hurting anybody! all I'm doing is loving another person, and I don't see how God can view that as something bad!

and there's other things that have just really turned me off from religion in general, not just christians. I do not, however, detest your religion. I just don't believe in it or agree with it.

you might be surprised to know that most of my friends are christian. i really don't hate christians, I promise.

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Tenchu1 In reply to ddrfreak573r [2008-02-26 23:51:40 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, sorry. I didn't really mean to start an online argument (sort of) with anyone.

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ddrfreak573r In reply to Tenchu1 [2008-02-27 02:10:10 +0000 UTC]

hey, it's okay. you have to stand up for your beliefs, you know?

there's no use believing in something unless you truly feel that way. and i think we can both agree on that.

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xenonkeyblademaster In reply to ddrfreak573r [2012-12-01 23:49:06 +0000 UTC]

I read these, and i felt the need to say something. Yes its true that God created the world. And yes, i know for a fact that He has enough power to enter a human body and control it to do the right things. But He is perfect. That wouldn't leave us with rights or choices. It would just leave us empty shells, controlled by a being. He sent His Son to give us a choice. That would be Him going back on His words, and thus He would not be perfect. I don't want to fight. I'm not trying to. And i certainly dont wanna offend anyone. It's just that i used to doubt Him. Long story short, I was literally inches away from killing myself. In the end, He showed me the right way. He saved me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. I'd be happy to answer them. I owe it

Love,
Anonymous


p.s any Christians who judge you are hypocrites, and that's why one of my friends doesn't want anything to do with God. It's true, all Christians still sin. but the real, true ones try hard not to. You sound like you could use some truth. I'm not the best (for sure), but I'd be happy to offer any help i can. The only one who has the right to judge is God. Not me. Not anyone else

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