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[link]A Palestinian child,,against an israHELL tank.
his name is FARIS ODA,,He was murdered by israHELLs occupational terrorist army.
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or the time when isreali army kidnapped en palastinen soilder and dimended for that sole plalstinen a full terrorist isreali free
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or thet time when en isreali terrorist got in to a palastinen house and shot everybody who been there
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i think youre talking about the isreali who fierd a missle to a bus of 16 years old palestiniens ? right?
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In the eyes of non-muslims, no, the occupation isn't the problem because it is 100% legal and was taken in a war the arabs started.
A two state solution is not stupid, it's the only fair way to settle it, by returning to the 1947 borders. It probably wouldn't work because muslims don't want israel to even exist any more, but it's the only fair solution. A one-state solution poses the problem of who gets to lead. Would it be a coalition government between muslims and jews? They'd never agree. And if it was totally one and not the other, the side that is not in charge would go back to terrorism.
"And going back to what you said about Israel being the "victim," well, how would you like it if your homeland, where your own people's population comprised 2/3, and more than half of it was given to less than 1/3 ppl, many of whom immigrated there?! That's not exactly right."
They should have dealt with it in a peaceful manner instead of turning into stereotypical arabs. And before you call me racist, my girlfriend and best friend are both arabs and they both insist that arabs are indeed hot blooded and quick to violence.
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No, occupation is not 100% legal. How is that?! The UN declared it illegal. Seizing land during wartime and layin up on it is occupation, which is illegal. By you saying Muslims don't even want it to exist any more is nonsense. In case you didnt know, there were plenty of Christians in Palestine before the israelis kicked em out. It's not a thing between Muslims and Jews; it's a thing between ARABS and Jews.
In a one-state solution, both people lead. If they learn to, then things would obviously be better and hatred would subside. You can't have a Jewish state without 100% Jews (clearly).
Obviously stereotypes come from somewhere, but that doesn't make every Arab that way. Obviously. And I wouldn't have called you a racist, either. The Palestinians didn't even deal with it in a violent manner, it was every other retarded Arab nation. Every other arab nation are a bunch of sellouts. Everyone is using the Palestinians.
And yeah, of course, everything should be dealt with in a peaceful manner before resorting to violence, and we clearly don't live in such a world. And its not just the arab world.
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Read up on your international law. The land was lawfully occupied in wartime, the SETTLING of Israeli citizens on occupied land was illegal. So was the driving out of Palestinians etc etc. The occupation is NOT illegal. And it's a muslim cause because it has been taken up by various islamist organisations, no matter the country. Many muslims see it as a muslim cause, and I know this through asking members of the British Muslim Forum. And yes, i'm guessing the christians would also be pissed off, but there are no christian suicide bombers in Tel Aviv nightclubs.
You say you can't have a jewish state without 100% jews, but muslim states aren't 100% muslim, unless it's Saudi Arabia. Then again that is through persecution and subjugation.
Anyway, my original point - Hamas = Bad, Israel = Bad, but it's in fashion to only bitch about Israel. It's the "cool" thing to do for those that love the idea of "fighting the power".
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There are barely any christians there anymore.
I didnt say you cant have a Muslims state that is not 100% Muslim. thats irrelevant. I said you cant have a Jewish state without 100% Jews. Not can't as in its not possible, but can't as in its not feasible.
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Occupation is illegal.
'Anyway, my original point - Hamas = Bad, Israel = Bad, but it's in fashion to only bitch about Israel. It's the "cool" thing to do for those that love the idea of "fighting the power"'.
Ok, thats fine, but it's not a "cool" thing or a fashion to bitch about Israel. I will talk about the wrongs of Israel and talk about the wrongs of Palestinians...suicide bombers, etc. To me, it seems like the "cool" thing to not hold Israel at fault at all. And that's just what bothers me. But, since you recognize both wrongs, it's all good then.
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Ok, fair enough, you've proven me wrong on the occupation. Fair doos. And here in Europe, it is the cool and fashionable thing to support the Palestinians in everything they do and hate Israel in everything they do. There is massive anti-Israel bias in the news. Especially here and in France. I guess in the states it's the other way round.
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Oh, in the states, very different. Trust me, American people are certainly not the brightest when it comes to thinking for themselves. They believe everything in the media, and in the media over here, there is no such thing is being biased AGAINST Israel. No way no how. It's absolutely ridiculous. I mean, how can they be biased against a country being owned by them seriously. It's quite sad actually.
But people who I know that have travelled abroad frequently tell me that it's only the people in this country that are like that. So yeah.
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Yeah i've seen. Switched over to fox out of curiosity when I was in Florida and almost coughed up a lung out of hilarity.
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HAHAHAHA I know! I hate FOX! The most biased station ever!
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Makes me glad I live here. We have pretty strict laws against bias in our broadcast news. I mean there will always be some bias, but never ever ever on the level of fox.
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you have laws about that? hahaha, that wont happen here. ever.
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Yeah, it's something taken pretty seriously, people form almost all their opinions on topics based on what they thing is going on in the world, and they get that info from news sources, so it's important to make sure they're staying as objective as possible.
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Yeah, being objective is important. Too bad I only see biased news. Well, of course I tend to read things instead of watching tv. otherwise I'd be just as moronic as other people lol. well, nice discussin with ya
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Check that site out, it's for the british paper 'the guardian', it's fairly liberal and not known for it's bias either way. They're especially good on reporting the arab-israeli conflict. Nice chatting with you too.
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yeah, ive read the guardian numerous times. it's better than a lot of the stuff here.
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