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Published: 2016-01-23 19:14:20 +0000 UTC; Views: 17064; Favourites: 591; Downloads: 0
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This actually hurt to draw, but do you really think Bill won’t torment Ford with stingy words while he’s captured like that? I suppose Ford needs to receive a blow to his ego and be saved from himself and Bill by his family.Related content
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I love ford's haunted expression. Like, 'how did I get here?' He just has NO idea what to do or say. Poor Ford. You raise some really interesting theories.
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He feels completely helpless. He thought he could defeat Bill, but it didn't turn out so easy
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You know, I liked him before, but now you're making me love him more and more!
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Yeah, he's a great character.
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Nooooo DDD : I feel so bad for him, even if he is kind of a dick sometimes.
He doesn't need to be tormented by Bill, it's his worst nightmare ;-;
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I knerrrr D :
I fear for him ;-;
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Actually I don't think ford needs any more detriment to his ego than he's already received. He's obviously still plagued by the memory of his childhood bully (Peter Crampelter) and he's constantly worrying about the consequences for the choices and mistakes he's made. He doesn't think he's all that. He's dedicated his entire life to fixing his biggest mistake (making a deal with Bill Cipher). He didn't tell anyone about the rift except Dipper because he doesn't know who he can trust, and he's already developed a reclusive personality. He really needs to be shown the right way. He's trying, people. He's trying. Leave poor Ford alone.
This has been a message from the Filthy Ford Apologist Squad
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Honestly, I agree-- Ford has anything but an ego, he's so self-conscious about himself and his six fingers that it's heartbreaking to watch.
Ford's a very self-loathing really person, to say at the least. He values the safety of others, the world itself, over his own life.
Point being, Ford has lived his whole life being told he was only valued for his smarts. That's why Bill manipulated him so easily (and for the record, Bill is someone who solely goes after peoples insecurities, it was so easy for him to trick Ford). If Ford really thought he was all that, it would've taken more for Bill to manipulate him.
Honestly, now people are just making up excuses to hate him. They're getting desperate, lol.
But to sum it up, for anyone else who says that Ford needs to receive more suffering then he already has to "wake up," my reaction is simply
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YES ALL THE YES. I had wanted to say more in my original comment, but I was distracted so I only got down bits and pieces of the rant that come into my mind every time someone bashes/hates on Ford. You summed it up perfectly, fellow Ford defender! 
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Ahh thank you! It's good to know there are other people who don't hate on a character who's primarily misunderstood for their actions. Most of the time I'm pretty sure people are just making up false reasons to hate Ford, like this "massive ego thing."
Yes! SQUAD UNITE! 
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Actually he's not quite there yet. Also, this happens in the actual episode, so he gets tormented whether we want it or not. Poor Fordsy.
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My point is that he's not full of himself. He does believe that he alone can undo his mistake, and he doesn't trust anything unless given a good reason, but he doesn't think he's better than everyone else. And I know this happens in the episode, I'm speaking of fans constantly attacking Ford and his character.
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Some fans DO constantly attack Ford and his character, like, they actually hate him. I don't hate him, but I don't like his behavior when it comes to his family, starting with Stan and ending with Dipper. I just don't understand why he would drag a kid away from studies and college when HE HIMSELF couldn't get over not gong to the college he wanted for 40 years!
"You and I are special, let's study the dangerous paranormal activity even further" - seems full of himself to me.
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No, actually that doesn't sound full of himself. That wasn't a good decision, but it wasn't egotistical. He doesn't like being alone, and when he saw that he and Dipper had such common interests and that Dipper wanted to explore the paranormal, he wanted to show him what he knew. Pass on his knowledge. And I understand that there are people who criticize Ford and don't hate him, but it really furthers the common presumption among fans that Ford is a stuck up know it all jerk who doesn't care about anyone but himself and deserves terrible and humiliating things to happen to him to 'wake him up'. That's just not true. And by the way, what does all that propaganda about Ford say to people (many of whom I am close friends with) who relate to Ford in almost every way? That they are selfish, unlikeable, and deserve terrible things to happen to them and that they are destined to be ostracized by not only the Gravity Falls fandom, but by all others who don't think like them. That's what it says to them. I'm not even paraphrasing, I can show you with real evidence that that is what they take from all the hate on Ford. What exactly would tell them to think differently? And as for Ford's relationship, it's more than just a "Stan did nothing wrong and Ford thinks he's suffocating". In fact, Stan needs to apologize much as Ford does. On any other site or place I would explain in full detail exactly why that is, but seeing as how this is a comment section and people don't want to scroll down and see three paragraphs in the comments, I'll just leave it at that. And that feeling of 'suffocating' you all grudge him for saying? As a twin myself I can confirm that that is NORMAL. Wanting to be an individual, not wanting to always be seen as a pair, every twin feels that. DIPPER and MABEL have felt that. That line has been taken way out of context by fans who don't understand nor want to understand Ford Pines. His anger at his brother was justified from his point of view- one we haven't seen. A Tale of Two Stans was told from the perspective of Stanley, not Stanford. And because of that, people tend to get mad at Stanford as it seems obvious to them that it was an accident. But look at it from Ford's side. His one support system who valued his entire being rather than just his brain, the one person he could lean on, had suddenly betrayed him for the selfish reason that he couldn't stand the though of them leading individual lives apart from each other. On another note, had Filbrick not decided that he should intervene and take care of the situation himself, Stanley may have gotten a chance to explain everything to him and Stanford would have eventually forgiven him. Stanford is NOT self-absorbed. He's anything but. He's put the fate of the entire world over himself. He is constantly thinking about all the mistakes he's made and regretting them. He acts spontaneously, and sometimes, for all his genius, without any thought, but don't tell me that man who is still haunted by his childhood bully, Fiddleford's accident, and the ultimate betrayal that stole all of his trust and almost all of his sanity who is trying his hardest to stop the apocalypse is full of himself. I have more in case you're not convinced, but I'll let you have your turn.
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Both Stans made mistakes, and a lot of their problems stem from their shitty household. I understand both of them, and I personally feel Stan worked hard to fix his mistakes for 40 years, and Ford only started to try to fix his for like two weeks after his return and a little bit before he got sucked into the portal. You know I'm glad he understood his mistakes concerning Bill and took the portal apart after his return. He could've done it 30 years ago, but he didn't. I think he needs to go through the suffering and feeling he's not worth saving to be proven wrong by his family, who will save him despite the dangers (the genre of the show suggests that).
He was and will be humiliated whether we fans want it or not. His research and work didn't bring any good for him or the people surrounding him. It brought on an apocalypse! And why? Life made him distrustful. And as I wrote above, I believe his family will prove he can trust them, and that he's not worthless and horrible and doesn't deserve love and saving.
To sum it up, his mistakes are to great for him not to pay for them. And he's just paying for them right now.
Again, I KNOW Stan made mistakes and acted selfishly sometimes. I say this so you don't accuse me of saying that Stan is some kind of an angel. The only difference is that he paid for his mistakes in full. Sure, he can apologize to Ford again, if he feels like it. I think they must talk it out and understand each other, and that involves a lot of apologizing from both parties. That's all I have to say on this subject. You can write more, but I honestly can't add anything other than I've already said.
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Ford hasn't paid enough? That guy was first driven insane by a false friend who turned out to be a demonic chaos god, that wrecked him so hard that he installed a plate of metal in his own head and drove him insane with paranoia. And then he was pushed into the portal for 30 years.
Alone the time there was more than enough payment, 30 years, that's over half of his life that were taken away from him. Imagine all the people that left him or died while he was there, where he never could say goodbye. And it was more than just that time, because he was thrown into nightmarish dimensions that drove another man insane in mere seconds. A nerdy scientist entered and a grim veteran left.
And when he returned we see how much guilt he harbors for what he is done, how beats himself up for being deceived in the first place. How he calls himself an idiot and a fool, and has probably great self-esteem issues (no wonder he and Dipper get along so well), that he's even willing to die just to atone for what he has done.
And that isn't enough? That's more than he should have suffered for his mistakes? That's more than anyone ever should suffer!
And where did Stan pay? He pushed his brother in the portal and his life actually improved from that! With having finally a stable home and job. And where did he pay for reactiviating the portal and creating the rift? Sure, I don't want to say that his life was great, but he's as guilty as Ford there.
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Haha, very funny.
Seriously now, saying that Ford hasn't paid enough while Stan did is just pure hypocrisy.
And we all know that Alex is a devil who feasts upon our misery.
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It appears that the final lesson Ford should learn in the show is that he's valuable enough to be saved and loved by his family, and that can be achieved when he reaches a final point of despair, where he can't do anything to defeat Bill. That's where his family comes in. They'll make him see that he doesn't have to fight alone, or trust just Dipper or himself. He has Stan and Mabel too.
And that's how both Stans will make a final payment for their mistakes, by fixing them completely. Defeating Bill, and living happily (I hope).
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Ford crossed that point of despair a long time ago. But yes, his family should finally help him with his many issues. (And he needs lots of therapy sessions after everything he had to go through).
Let's see what their final payment will be. And what the greatest sacrifice is that we were warned about...
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Yes, but he still was pretty sure he'd manage to defeat Bill by himself before he was turned into a statue, so he wasn't too much in despair yet. But close.
There's a theory that it's the Shack. And I really hope it's not their lives.
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He literally said he wasn't sure if Bill could be defeated at all, he just wanted to try anyway. Why does he have to be at his his lowest point (which, considering everything he went through, is pretty damn low)? I mean, I'm pretty sure he knows that his family (or at least Dipper and Mabel) love him.
Heard that theory before, we will see if it holds true.
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I understand more of whwhere your coming from after that, but I just want to say a few more things... I'm not denying Ford will pay for his mistakes (whether he deserves it or not). I'm just saying, Ford already doesn't value himself. Yes, he does value the knowledge that he carries, but that's more because he feels he can better educate and therefore benefit mankind by his findings. He wanted to study something that he could relate to. The only reason everything went downhill is because he summoned and made a deal with Bill. As for Stanley, yeah, he made up for most of his mistakes by saving Ford from the portal, but that doesn't wipe his slate clean, just as Ford working all those years to repair the damage he'd done doesn't take away the fact that he did the damage in the first place (though I doubt I need to tell anyone that). It's not just that Stanley did "some selfish things". Spending all those years fixing the portal definitely means he deserves to be forgiven, but his mistakes aren't paid in full until Ford and him sort their issues out. He needs to understand that things can never go back to the way they were-- they both are their own people, and Stan needs to understand that he doesn't need another half. So you are right about their reconciliation, that it's going to take apologies from both of them. And also, Ford isn't the reason Weirdmaggedon happened. He's a contributing factor-- a big contributing factor, yes, but not the sole reason Bill was able to reach into the real world. Bill has used many people in order to get to his goal. ( BTW, he didn't destroy the portal at first because he had been working on it for YEARS, and to just tear it down to him seemed like killing his own child.)
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Ok. And last thing — I understand that Ford doesn't value himself. It was clear from the moment he stepped out of the portal, but this additional suffering coupled by his family being there for him, will help him see value in himself and in family in general. That's the last thing he needs to understand, you know? Since he already understood that making deals with paranormal beings is dumb.
Urgh, poor Ford
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I'm happy this convo ended with not us being perpetually mad at each other and without seeing eye to eye, but debating our views and finding common ground. I do get and agree with that (what you just said.) and yup, poor Ford. I hope you know that I have a high regard for you as a GF fan, and as for as an artist, heck, your fanart is some of the best out there. Thanks for talking with me.
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Me too. I hate fighting
And thank you
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Ford (internally)- I was supposed to be the best of them all...
Bill- Yeah, Fordsy, you were supposed to be the one who's name they'd chant forever.
Ford- How could this happen?
Bill- Even the best will die without their roots...
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Okay first: This is one of the best drawings I've ever seen from you!
Second: GOOOSH WHY DO YOU DO THIS?! ;___;
My feelings! My heart! When I look at this picture I almost start to cry! I can almost feel his pain and and...Oh gosh I just want to cry and hug him ;w;
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I'm sure him family will save him
Thanks for commenting
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Jesus Christ. I can see why this would be hard to draw. Poor Ford, but yeah, a blow to his ego wouldn't hurt.
That old idiot needs to learn some lessons.
Nice job on the picture, bruh
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Yeah, I mean he's so helpless here...
Thanks
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He really is(Poor Ford, let me save you, bubu)
And you're welcome
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Poor Ford, sorry, it's for your own good.
You can't be the only "hero".
You can't beat Bill all alone, you need your family, you- you- ... silly, silly old man!
*chants*: blow in the ego! Blow in the ego! Blow in the ego!
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Yes yes, yes.
But not a deadly blow, please
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No- no, not a deadly blow, but hard enough! 
Ford needs to understand that excluding his family (his own twin brother) is a very stupid move.
They will win if they fight together! *nods*
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Yes! That's what the show is about. And it's been proven many times in the show that when someone fights alone - fails. Doesn't mean they're weak, but it's like they say "together we stand, divided we fall".
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Yaaaaaaassss!
I couldn't have said it better myself!
So no hard feelings for Ford, but he must understand that it's not a shame to ask for help.
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If I can say this, Bill is such an asshole.
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Ok is this like an actual scene that's gonna be in the new episode because I keep on seeing this seen all over DA!
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It is! I was in the trailer for a split second.
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Yeah, it's based on a screenshot from the new trailer that only shows up for a split second ^^
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Alright sweet! I'll have to look for it
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How could he want it any worse for Ford?
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