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demosthenes1blackops — scale and anatomy, generic realistic-ish MLP
Published: 2012-09-07 03:12:03 +0000 UTC; Views: 2298; Favourites: 16; Downloads: 71
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WIPmight just do reference planes and use them for drawing.
might make a 3D CG dummy version to cheat like a bastid when drawing.
might make a 3DStudioMax model, rig it, and just render instead of drawing.
the legs might end up more like those in the cartoon.
or maybe not.
dunno.
just thinking at the moment.
anyway, the proportions are accurate to horses and hackney ponies, except for the deviations noted in text.
the scale is my own, based on apples of all things.
I know that a lot of people prefer to think of the smaller adult ponies as being roughly the size of dogs, but I don't buy it.
I tend to think of Celestia as about the size of a tall Arab, and small ponies like Derpy and Octavia as being about the size of a small Hackney pony.(see edit)
I've arranged the "mane 6" and some other characters along the continuum between those two points in a grade I think makes sense.
comments, questions, criticism, even argument (provided it isn't simple partisanship) are all welcome.
edit:
the height is measured from the ground to the withers, as is the convention.
the generic pony shown here is 11 hands + 1 finger, or 11-1 hands, which comes to 45" at the withers.
ummm... some folks might not know what withers are: withers are the high point of the spine, found between the shoulder blades.
so, anyway, ditching the horsefolk terminology -which is loopier even than Navalese(!)- this pony here is 45" tall at the high point of the spine, making her about the size of an American Shetland pony.
Quick review of breed standards indicates that on my scale Octavia and Derpy are *almost* small enough to be considered "miniature horses" and are far too small to be classified as any form of Hackney pony (going by the strict breed standards rules).
edit 04AUG2013 - HattonSlayden just took this crude doodle and made an organism! hattonslayden.deviantart.com/a…
thanks, Hatt!
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Just to throw a wrench into your math...I have a 30 year old apple tree in my yard that produces apples 4"-4.5" in diameter. Top is 16'9" roughly. Bole diameter MAX is about 10". Depends entirely on the variety of apple. In all honesty however, those dimensions could be used to produce a jointed action figure that might hold my kids attention for more than 40 minutes...
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thanks for the data.
as to figure: go for it.
or wait a bit - there will be more accurate and detailed versions soon enough. I think I'm going to do here what I did with Renamon [link]
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I didn't even think of that. But of course, the mandible is proportional to the skull. And apples are all a pretty uniform size. Much better than the pets... I suppose if Equestria's already got hydras and cockatrices, what's a mutant over/under sized animal here and there?
Did someone actually go out and measure how much force is required to tremor an apple tree enough to shake down apples, or at least...jiggle them? If so, then the brony community is even more committed than I ever imagined...Not that I doubt your reasoning, I just wonder where that number came from.
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as far as I know, no one measured the force required.
The mass figure I used was a ballpark.
however, I've had to do enough land-clearing to have a working understanding of the forces involved. And math is a lovely thing: The relation between diameter and circumference and volume is fixed and scales uniformly, and the physics of stiffness in relation to cross-sectional thickness is well known.
Double the diameter = Quadruple the cross-sectional area.
Assuming all proportions are fixed, a doubling of scale renders an OCTUPLING of resisting mass.
I weigh 170lbs, so I have a mass of @77kg.
Using an ax, a good chop will shake the crap out of a bole of 8" diameter, but one of one foot diameter will only shudder a little bit, and one of 16" diameter completely ignores the impact.
I've never seen a mature apple tree with less than 24" bole diameter at 6' off the ground.
So... tripling the 8" diameter yields 24" diameter...
...with nine times the cross-sectional area...
...and twenty seven times the resisting mass.
Now, you would have to factor in the difference between an ax chop (essentially ballistic at impact, and complex angular conservation of momentum) and a horse's full-force both hind-feet kick (a linear thrust at impact, and quite a bit faster than any ax chop I've ever seen), so as I said it was a ballpark figure.
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I really like this interpretation of realistic pony anatomy. This animal could actually exist on earth.
I have one question. Are the measurements listed taken from the poll, or from the withers as they usually are with horses. It was not clear to me looking at the image, and I didn't see it mentioned in your notes. I would presume the withers, but I want to be sure I understand you. Perhaps it would be good to clarify how horses are typically measured, and how this image and measurements compare.
The only trouble I run into is looking at the pets next to their owners. Fluttershy next to Angel certainly looks dog sized. Adult earth rabbits range from 7-20 inches long, which limits how big Fluttershy can be if Angel can sit on her back and take up most of it. Unless Equestria has giant rabbits, Fluttershy certainly seems smaller than a Hackney Pony. But then Winona, who looks like a brown Border Collie, seems awfully small next to Applejack. Now, it could be that Winona is a small breed of dog, but it's always skewed my understanding of pony scale.
This is a great representation of pony scale. I agree in that I always felt the ponies should be bigger. Sure, they are called "My LITTLE Ponies" but the dog size never felt right to me. Certainly the older generations were larger, more the size of shetland ponies than dogs. Besides, who wouldn't want their ponies big enough to ride?
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thanks for your response.
the height is measured from the ground to the withers, as is the convention.
the generic pony shown here is 11 hands + 1 finger, or 11-1 hands, which comes to 45" at the withers. ummm... some folks might not know what withers are: withers are the high point of the spine, found between the shoulder blades.
so, anyway, ditching the horsefolk terminology -which is loopier even than Navalese(!)- this pony here is 45" tall at the high point of the spine, making her about the size of an American Shetland pony.
I should correct the notes in the description, as quick review of breed standards indicates that on my scale Octavia and Derpy are *almost* small enough to be considered "miniature horses" and are far too small to be classified as any form of Hackney pony (going by the strict breed standards rules).
I assume Angel is a mutant bunny, and let it go.
Apples, Merri. Apples.
Both Dash and Applejack can just about clamp down on a whole apple. Bite size gives head size, head size gives body size. Additionally, the Apple family harvest apples by kicking mature trees. Mass is required to make that even slightly plausible. Applejack must have a mass somewhere in the range of 250 kg.
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Okay, shmoopy-woopykins.
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