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I submit this with some slight hesitation cause of the story i'm about to tell.Now, I'm agnostic, formally Christian, and I'm queer, and I was queer and I was out before and after I turned away from practicing a religion. Sounds like a paradox, don't it? How can I be christian AND queer?? Doesn't God want to smite me and send me to burn for eternity for liking girls?
Well, no, actually, he doesn't. My former church does, and a few hateful people out there do, but the big guy upstairs they claim to be representing? Nah. If he exists, and at this point I'm not sure, but if he does, I know as an irrefutable fact that he loves me. You see, your God is not human, that's why he's GOD. He doesn't think and act like a human, he is not capable of the kinds of feelings humans are. Whereas a parent might kick out their gay child here on earth, God has no concept of the idea. He scratches his head and wonders how anybody could hate their own child so much. And he's omnipotent, so he knew long before you were even born that you were gonna be gay af and yet - he still let you exist. Funny how that works, huh? If God hated queer people so much, they wouldn't exist, simple as that. He knows it's not some challenge to be overcome like sadness and mourning are. As many obstacles as he may put in your way, he wouldn't condemn you to damnation from the get-go.
At least, that's what I was taught, and yet I was still kicked out of church for being who I was - because I refused to denounce my attraction to girls when I started dating a boy, because I kissed my best friend and refused to admit it was wrong and sinful. The same people who had been telling me a few days, HOURS prior that God loved me unconditionally were now saying I was doing him wrong, that for as long as I refused to admit I was wrong, I would be hated and he would never look at me in a time of need. That is a HUMAN thing to do, a petty, hateful, HUMAN thing. God is not human and ya'll know that DAMN well. If you're trying to speak for him and saying he is hateful and spiteful, YOU'RE the one he's not going to be happy with. YOU'RE the one committing a sin.
Don't use your religion to justify your bigotry and your hate. Your God, no matter who it may be, simply doesn't understand the concept.
Do you feel hated or abandoned by God because you are gay?
-- The Lord your God is merciful; God will not abandon or destroy you. - Deuteronomy 4:31
Are you tired of hearing that AIDS is sent by God to destroy LGBTQ+ people?
-- God loves us - and sent Jesus. Jesus came to earth to heal us, not condemn us. - John 3:16 and Matthew 8:3,7
Have you been banned by your church or kicked out for being LGBTQ+?
-- Some churches are misguided and don't teach God's true message of love. - Matthew 15:6-9, Matthew 22:39
Did God really destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality?
-- God destroyed the cities because the people were corrupt, rude, and inhospitable, not for being gay. - Ezekiel 16:49
Do you feel unlovable? Are you afraid that God will reject you?
-- Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I set you apart. -- Jeremiah 1:5
Wondering how you can get to know God?
-- Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. -- John 1:12
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Thank you!
I hate it when people try to use the bible to justify there hate!
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"Jesus, will everybody go into the kingdom of heaven?"
"Yes, my child. Everybody is loved by god and will pass into heaven someday."
"But what if they're gay or worship other gods?"
"Yes, even if they ask stupid questions."
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Then why are there passages that say to kill and enslave?
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Oml these new comments are... wow
anyway I agree with you, I’m a catholic but I think being homophobic is just... wrong
What happened to “Hate the sin, love the sinner”?
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I call bs on hate the sin, love the sinner as it still implies what someone is doing is wrong
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Even if Christians or Catholics do think it’s wrong, they were taught not to judge and move the f*ck on. I apologize if you come access a Christian who does <_<
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I never said you weren’t? Did you even read my reply?
Besides, all I’m saying is that not every Christian is homophobic and those who are should rethink their life
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Sorry, misread.
And I know not every Christian is homophobic. Just ask my family.
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Still, they aren't doing it because of the bible
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People can follow the Bible if they want, just as long they aren’t harming anyone who doesn’t
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I'm saying non-homophobic Christians are not homophobic because of the bible
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Um yeah this is sometimes true, but at least they are leaving LGBT people alone
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Things were different when the bible was written,, also, forgive me for being controversial, but actually, no, Christians DON'T have to listen to every single word in the Bible like it's some magic spell. I can't stand the Christian who believe that. The bible says a lot of things that should NOT be taken literally, for example, CREATION. And yes, in reality, the GOOD Christians thankfully do believe that God loves everyone equally, including gays, trans, lesbians, everyone.
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So good Christians are actually secular
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Well, in my opinion, a good Christian treats the bible as the Word of God, but not like a magic manual that they have to take every word of literally. (for context I'm a Catholic who can't stand evangelical Christians). So yes, I would say that the ideal Christian is a bit more secular than most of the world would believe.
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Then why follow the bible when you pick and choose what you this is good/bad?
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I dont believe in the christian god, but i do believe that if he does exist and is the ultimate form of peace and love as so many of his followers claim him to be, than he's definately not going to hate others for loving and being true to themselves as long as it isnt hurting someone else. And on the off chance the bible is accurate to portray god despite it being a man made article, its also stated that anyone can be forgiven if they accept him, that jesus was sacrificed to forgive our imperfections, and that this is not just for any one kind of person, he died for all.
Christians really ought to practice what they preach.
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Problem is he's a hypocrite
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THANK YOU FOR THIS! I'm Christian and I think everyone needs to know that the "God hates gays" thing is NOT true! God loves everybody!
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skepticsannotatedbible.com/gay…
Yeah... clearly not
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The thing is, God doesn't control who exists and who doesn't. Nor does God control bad things that happen or exist. That's the devil, he is the source of all bad things. And other things are just natural or bodily in origin. It is OUR choice completely whether you are dominated by certain things. God doesn't hate gays, but it would be wrong to say that He doesn't hate the sexuality because it IS sin. But let me tell you that if you convert to Him, as long as you try your best to stay away from homosexuality and any other sin, he goes by your heart; if you don't want to be gay or whatnot, that is all that matters and if in your heart you follow Him, that covers any mistakes you make. He won't strike you with things because you sinned, those are lies.
No God didn't send any bad things. He didn't send AIDS, Satan sent AIDS because he likes to harm people.
Yes, most churches don't teach God's teaching of love; but you can go too far with it as well and simply ignore other verses as well. Surely God accepts all who truly come to Him, BUT you can't go and say that all of these things are okay just because He loves you. They are not okay, no sin is and all sin is seen equally the same by god; bad. He can help you stop if you are willing, believe me its possible. If I can get healed of anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts which is a mental illness then you can be healed of homosexuality or ANYTHING that you set your mind to, because Jesus already provided healing for you and its not even something He has to make a supply for anymore, He already supplied it and you just need to accept it by faith. Go watch Awmi.net for learning purposes.
You should not feel unloved or rejected by God, He will never reject you; the only way you can get away from God if you are Christian is if you leave by your own choice, or just stop caring about Him (and you'd know when you truly stop caring about Him.... not the distracted feeling, but a feeling like you just DON'T CARE and dont like Him etc).
Yes, God did destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality, but not JUST homosexuality. What you all need to learn is that the old testament and new testament has KEY differences; in the Old, sins were not paid for and so judgment of sin was to show that man could NEVER live up to God's standards for perfection. But in Jesus, in the New Testament, we are not judged for our sins because as Christians we are literally THE righteousness of God through our faith in Jesus and what He did for us.
No, it is okay to hate; it is okay to hate sin. Many people get confused and say "hate is always bad", but that is not true. We should hate sin, we should hate the devil and we should recognize that God is not in control of every little thing that happens. That is called Righteous Hate, in the bible. God also is a human, Jesus is fully human yet fully God, so God is technically a human very much so. But no, God is not hateful nor is He spiteful, but He does hate sin. But there are certain things that He provided for you and others, for every person to have the opportunity to overcome all of that, and by getting saved and being genuine about it then you can be made sinless by Jesus' account and His actions for you.
So, DestinysGrace, I do appreciate your effort in helping Christians. You have the right intent of heart, you're just a little misguided and thats okay. If you want to talk you can message me ^^ Also, I notice you are agnostic; since you have such a soft view of christianity, I would like to understand why you are not christian anymore if I may ask.
Again, learn more here: awmi.net/
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Yeah, you fail because not only could god stop the devil if that's what he did, but he can clearly you are limiting omnipotence
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Obviously He could. But He's not, just by Himself, at the moment. Because Satan rules this world, and it's up to us to resist the devil (James 4:7 ) and he will flee from us. It's easy. And I hope this has helped c: God will stop the devil when the End comes. But not yet.
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Wow, where do I begin?
You don't seem to get omni. Lucifer (I'll get back to that in a minute) can have the power of every star in the universe... omnipotence still beats that.
And even then, I'm not convinced Lucifer is the bad one since all he did is rebel against someone stronger than him. That's it. Revelation "hasn't happened" and the only other thing he did was the equivalent of teasing Jesus into smoking. That's it. He wasn't the snake as no passage even explains the connection (the closest was someone saying a dragon is a snake, wonder why? ). He was not Satan for many reasons, one of them being that they never act like they are enemies in Job, even playing a bet to see if Job is loyal, despite purported omniscience.
God has commanded the deaths of gay people, sent bears to attack kids, firebombed two cities, flooded the planet, endorsed slavery and would threaten me with eternal torture for not believing in him and for a crime caused by a supposed ancestor that literally didn't know better. Does that sound like a hero?
Paradox: Well when you put it like that not weally. But uh...
Then what the hel, man?! What the actual hel?!
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Jesus never smoked, and the devil never teased him into such a thing.
Lucifer/Satan is the creator of cancer and all sickness, he took what God made and simply perverted it, and made it all opposite of good. For example, health for unhealthiness, righteousness for sin, etc. That sounds pretty bad to me. I've even encountered that dickbag personally; I know my enemy well, and he's not very kind. I've commanded him to get his hands off of sick people, and he's left at my command (I have to use Jesus name though, otherwise it won't work, because my authority isn't my own, it's Jesus' bestowed upon me, just as He bewstowed it upon all Christians... it's a shame not many Christians know about it though because churchgoers are so blind to the bible). There is scriptural proof that Satan has personally done some terrible, terrible SICK things. And I can find them all if you want.
Believe me, Lucifer/Satan is not much of anything... at least to a Christian who knows who he or she is inside and is aware of the power that Jesus/God gave to them to use against Satan in this dark world ruled by him. If he can't hold his own against me, a random person, I don't suspect he has much power, at least in the god-like category. He ain't no god, though he pretends to be. Now if I didn't use the authority that Jesus/God bestowed upon me and submitted through fear, he definitely could do some damage. But point is, Jesus is greater than Lucifer/Satan, by what I've witnessed on my own, because Satan has to leave when I command him to using Jesus' name. He can only hurt you if you let him, is the thing. So in that light, he's not got much. I have always said, "If you don't encounter problems from the devil in your life, then you might be headed the same direction he is." Therefore, since I often like exposing him and his lies, that's probably why he tries to bother me a lot. Satan, yes that Lucifer, doesn't want you to know what I am about to tell you. In fact he's probably pretty upset right now that i am, but it's not like I care. (You can look up John Ramirez testimony if ya want, he was a former Satanist High Priest and he likes exposing the devil too, because the devil betrayed him and tried to kill him when John found out about his lies and that Satan wasn't all that he claimed to be).
Read on, it should help, but it should be interesting at the very least.
He was the serpent in the garden because Ezekiel states clearly in a whole chapter about Lucifer, that he was in the garden of eden. "Moreover the word of the LORD came to me: Mortal, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared. With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and the guardian cherub drove you out from among the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings, to feast their eyes on you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you profaned your sanctuaries. So I brought out fire from within you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever" (Ezekiel 28:11-19 ). Basically what is going on is that the King of Tyre is possessed by Satan and the prophet is instructed to speak to the devil within him that's the best I can find.
God never played a bet of any kind with Satan in Job, and I know exactly where you heard that! I bet you heard that in church; that's the WORST place you can learn about God. Seriously. I never go anymore. So this is what really happened, and you can read it yourself to confirm; Job was not trusting in God and so was straying from God's protection (fear works like faith, but opposite... again, like Satan's perversion and affinity for things that are reverse or opposite of God's ways, Satan made fear... not primal, instinctive fear, but more like anxiety type fears). Therefore, Job fearing, left an inroad for the devil, and because the devil does not know everything for he is not God, he went to God and asked His permission to torment Job, and God said, "Why are you even asking Me? He's already yours. But I will not let you kill him!" And so, the torment went on, and eventually Job fixed up his life, and God blessed him. That's all that happened. Churches are LIARS. They like twisting stories to either get money or control people or just spread hatred.
And you are referring to the old testament regarding God commanding the deaths of sinners; I won't deny it, He sure did command them all to be killed, and He even personally killed some. But that was the old testament, and back then there was no Jesus to save anybody. If there was sin, it couldn't be redeemed, except through animal sacrifice, but some had to be punished by death, especially sexual sin as that was much, much worse than any other sin. The reason being: that if you follow God, back then, God's Holy Spirit would stay in you as long as you were holy and didn't backslide, and so in turn your body was the actual Temple of God, and so if you committed a sexual sin like homosexuality, bestiality, sex before marriage, you were joining God to an animal, or God to a whore, or God to whatever was unholy. Therefore, that was the punishment; sin was a cancer and it had to be put down, otherwise the world would have destroyed itself before God even got a chance to do anything about it. And who made sin? Lucifer/Satan. God wants to preserve and protect and love, and Satan wants the opposite... DESTROY AND HATE. I hope that sheds more light on it.
God did not endorse the slavery that you are thinking of; the masters of slaves had to treat their servants (technically slaves, but they're referred to as servants) with kindness and goodness, otherwise they'd have to be punished. The slaves/servants also had to be set free in the seventh year, unless the servants wished to remain because they LOVED their masters. Now that shows a bond and a relationship, strong, between master and servant, inferring that this was not a cruel thing at all. Does it fit into our culture today? No, but if it happened, then this is the ONLY slavery I'd support because it was based around kindness and mercy and love. Even the servants themselves loved it perfectly fine, some genuinely REFUSING to be set free.
NOW, the reason that this doesn't happen anymore is because (since God's original answer was not to have people killed to begin with) Jesus came and took all sin into Himself... this man, God Himself, bore our sin and became personally responsible for all sin that ever has and ever will occur. And God punished Himself for it in our place, so that now that it is paid for, you must do your part and simply trust in His sacrifice and stick with Him and follow Him, and you will be good forever. There's no such thing as backsliding anymore, God's got you. Just do your best, that's all. Period. God is not threatening you with anything; if you don't want Him, He won't force you to spend eternity with Him, a person you seem to hate. Would you want that? No. So He won't force you. As much as He'd love you to come live with Him... He literally sacrificed Himself so you could have this chance. Sin is not the issue anymore, it's whether people want to go and be with Him or not. It's easier to get to Heaven than everyone tells you; there's a lot of people in Heaven that the common church will tell you went to hell. No sin will EVER send you to hell, only not trusting in what God did for you and not having your sins cleansed once and for all. Everyone's born with a sin nature, we can't stop sinning completely, so we can't earn our way to heaven, we can only trust God, and that's all we have to do. God handled to rest, and because of God's love and mercy we will want to change our ways, not because of some pastor telling us "Turn or burn" and "stop sinning or God will punish you". God will never punished those who come to Him; the only thing He will do is reprimand us through our consciences, and more like guide us in the right path so that we don't hurt ourselves, and so that He doesn't have to see you, His child, get hurt by... you know who... the devil, who "walks around as a lion, seeking whom he may devour". 1 Peter 5:8
I hope that this has answered your questions. You speak of a foreign version of Christianity that most true Christians have long abandoned, as they are teachings not based in the bible but rather taught from either a power-hungry pastor/pope/etc, or through other not so pure intentions. No true Christian believes that garbage found in most churches, and if they do then they just don't know any better and that's not their fault. So considering that, taking the truth into consideration, yes, Jesus/God still sounds like a hero to me, I wouldn't be alive today if it weren't for Him, and Satan would have snuffed out my life long ago.
Message me with any questions. I've had this conversation multiple times with others. <3
Good luck! God loves you, and I know that He and I both wish the best for you and we both invite you to learn more about Him. That's something you won't regret. But stay clear of any churches. And just a note... if you happen to be a Satanist or someone who worships Satan/Lucifer, watch out for him if you turn from him, he won't be very happy. But if you have the power from Jesus, you should do just fine, He can't hurt you then.
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Wall of text? I'm not in the mood to be preached to, so I'll bullet point
I never said he did smoke, It was an analogy to say all he did was tempt.
God made Lucifer, so anything Lucifer does is god's responsibility. And god doesn't seem to get rid of it, so he's an ass
The Book of Job - YouTube
"That was the Old Testament" is not an argument as you kinda need it so you have a reason for Jesus. Plus clearly disease is not a punishment for sin nor is god just as being gay is not bad, both gay and straight people get cancer and he let horrible things happen to millions if not billions. And the NT introduces hell where people are punished infinitely for something finite.
Exodus 21:2-11 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free. “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life. “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.
Exodus 21:20-2120 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Sounds awfully like the slavery you said it wasn't. Plus what you are describing is Stockholm syndrome, a bad thing
He said if you don't follow, you burn in hell. That is an ultimatum and very immoral. Quite frankly, the devil sounds more moral as he did very little bad in comparison and anything you can scratch up is defying a mob boss.
Don't talk down to me like I'm ignorant. Don't use the No True Scotsman fallacy on me as not only are there Christians who still think this, but I was calling out the god character, not the religion. I am an atheist not out of ignorance. I read the book, I heard the arguments. There is no way you can make your god character appear moral in the slightest when he promotes such a racist, sexist, homophobic and misogynistic set of rules. I'm not questioning, I'm calling bullshit. I'd prefer to be intellectually honest with myself than believe in some omniscient boogeyman that'd torture me for eating ham
Don't bother preaching, it will not be welcomed
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I mean I have all the answers to that, but you won't read it if its long (there's a lot of info I can give). There's a lot Christians that follow what they want to believe, which includes all the horrible things you describe as being Christian beliefs. Doesn't make them right though.
I notice you keep going back to the old testament though. That's back before a lot of important things happened to change everything. Women were less than men because of the fall of man. The relationship between man and woman was to be equal, like the relationship between God and Man, but that was screwed up and it was not God's doing. Then that was fixed with what Jesus did to redeem and fix all of those issues, which is why you don't see much of any of those rules being enforced in the new testament. God never wanted any of that as His first choice, but it's just the way it had to be, to not be long and preachy about it.
I already said it; you won't be tortured or burn in hell for not following Him. Do you understand why people go to Hell? They go to hell because they choose to, and it's the only place where God's presence is just not there. God exists everywhere, and He made hell by simply taking a random place and removing Himself from it, hence why it's so terrible. So if you want to be away from Him, you can go there. Sin cannot be in God's presence... not it COULD but shouldn't, it just simply can't happen. So you would need a place to go, so what we call Hell (or Sheol being its actual name) is the only place you even COULD go. But if you want to be cleansed of sin and be able to even think about entering Heaven, just go to Jesus for it and get friendly with Him. That's literally it. I don't like the other form of Christianity which is based not on the Bible's teachings. I don't like it either, so I agree with you there.
And personally, I am a married woman and I feel that we should respect male's as being stronger physically than us and respect them a tiny bit more than women. But respect doesn't mean that I believe we should be abused or that anything negative should be deemed okay. And honestly, this is not something I was raised believing. It's something I decided for myself and everyone thought I was crazy, but they eventually came around when I explained it to them. So I see no misogyny at all (aside from the old testament, but there was a reason for that and it was our damning of our own race, not God).
God COULD get rid of the devil, but wouldn't that be infringing on our will? The devil only exists here on earth BECAUSE of the choices of the human race. We gave him dominion, so who is God to take that away? Instead, going back to the original conversation statement, Revelation will happen and the devil drag his followers with him to the lake of fire and the Christians will remain at God's side as God takes the devil's place and rules the world, and only then will there be an end to RAPE, MURDER, SICKNESSES AND CANCERS, WARS and all sorts of the bad stuff that happens.
We also don't have food restrictions.
At least get your facts straight, no disrespect meant. The devil is responsible for the racist behavior, the sexist behavior and the rape and murder and the wars and all the terrorist attacks and anything bad that you can think of. He's a tyrant dictator of this world, and at the moment the best God can do is armor up His followers willing to stand with Him, and He arms them with authority. So in that way, the devil cannot rule over us. We are the exceptions.
Like God or not, He does exist... but the devil does too. I've been able to raise people from the dead, heal sicknesses, get out of all sorts of situations, and I've even been able to see the future, and I've even heard God's voice guiding me and then seeing the consequences of what would happen if I didn't heed His warnings (for example, this specific warning never came to me, but it's a good example nonetheless because lots of Christians hear it; like, about to get on a plane, and then they hear God say not to board the plane, they listen and refuse to board, then they hear about that same plane crashing). This is different than "a gut feeling", it's hearing a literal voice in your head that actually makes sense and answers your life's questions. This comes from having the holy spirit in you.
Well, I already talk a lot in general anyway. I wouldn't call it preaching, I'm just a house wife who also happens to know a lot about God... naturally though, He's my best friend. We've had plenty of time to get to know each other.
All in all, you don't know as much as you claim you do about God. Just knowing that the devil is the creator of rape and the one who even sometimes possesses men to do it should be enough for you to at very least not take any side. I know my God never once hurt me or anyone I love, but I also know the devil is a dickbag and I will keep admitting that. If it were up to the devil, I would be raped and murdered and die of cancer and be depressed, etc. My God never condones that and would never choose that for me. So, at very least God seems like the FAR FAR LESSER of two evils. I personally believe God is 100% good, but if I were to see it through an atheist's view then, God clearly without a doubt has to be the lesser of the two evils. Because when you say, "the devil did very little bad" I get a little weirded out.... I'm pretty sure rape and murder and all that is bad? Cancer too is bad. Terror is bad, and so is hate. Well none of that would exist without the devil, who is VERY soon about to be f**ked up. So if you're mad that God isn't dealing with him if he's so bad, He is, however dealing with this I would imagine takes a little time, and a few things need to happen before then.
Imagine that this is all a legal battle if you will! lol God gave ownership of this earth to us, but we gave it to the devil... the devil is obvious a pos, but God can't just take it back from the devil because that would be going against the agreement. So currently He has a plan to get around the... agreement in a way that doesn't violate it. That's how I see it, it's easier to see it in that light I think.
God does exist... you're allowed to hate Him though, but just don't be offended when you die and you're not forced to live with him, because you don't want to now so why would He force you? It's completely your choice, not His or the devil's. Your fate is in your hands alone. So I urge you to side with the good and not the bad, but that's only my suggestion. I hope you do more research and get the right facts, your view of Him is too twisted to be accurate. And I want to partly blame church, there's a lot of reasons I don't go. And inside I also hope you side with God! Because He's wonderful. And whatever you choose, I just want you to know that He loves you. HE wants you to know that. And I would love to have you as my brother/sister in Him. But if that's not what destiny holds for us, I will respect your wishes... and so will God. He's quite the gentleman, you'd come to find out.
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The reason I don't is because it a dishonest tactic, confusing people and causing them to miss details. And what did I say about preaching?
Sexism in the old and new testament . And are you saying the old testament is somehow invalid? That has the creation myth, the ten commandments, etc. And there is nothing to promote women and quite a few are made to be the reason for misery.
"We send ourselves" is not a choice. Didn't god make hell? Didn't he make the rules? And does nothing go against his will? Then he sends people to hell! John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." We send ourselves my ass. If your god wanted to save people, why not just say "you are all forgiven, everyone carpool to my place"
God is supposed to be all powerful, all good and all knowing. Yet he makes blunder after blunder. He allows people to suffer and die, he has commanded the deaths of millions, said certain groups need to die without changing the rule later... and saying "he'll do it eventually" is the most immoral and stupid answer I can ever hear, since that reasoning will never work in any other situation. Morality is calculated by taking what someone is willing to do against what they can do. Kind of an asshole if I can sum his dickatude up as (how did abridged Alucard put it) "What’s the plan for the starving children in...to-ho I don’t know, in "Name An African Country"? Is it for them to die? Because if so, KILLER plan~!”
The devil is god's responsibility if god made the devil. And like I said before, the devil is clearly the good one if he 1. tried to fight someone that cannot lose, got some braindead chick (as Adam and Eve did not have knowledge of good and evil, thus not understanding consequence) to eat an apple (ignoring how the devil and the snake are not the same), literally gambled with god by making a man miserable (ignoring how Lucifer and Satan are not the same... and that I shared you the very video explaining it) and tried to peer pressure Jesus in comparison to killing off millions, promoting homophobia and slavery, saying raped women should be married to their rapist and otherwise doing what anyone would be reprimanded for in every other situation. He wants me to know he loves me? Then he should show himself and stop being an asshole, because I do not want to be with a literal monster that would allow pain and suffering, and he should know that
Did you not read the last paragraph? I did do research, and he is a racist, homophobic, sexist asshole. At this point, it's as pathetic as a mouse trying to argue with the Midgard Serpent.
STOP acting like you aren't preaching. STOP insulting my intelligence by saying things like "do research" or "what you said is so backwards" as if I was ignorant on the subject or that I didn't hear this before. STOP using a giant wall of test. STOP pretending half of what I say isn't in there. And STOP making it seem like you have Stockholm syndrome. To quote Johann von Goethe — 'The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.' And stop making me repeat myself.
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I can see I won't change your mind. To each his own though <3 However, whether you hate Him or not, He still recently healed me of an abscess in my neck. The doctors were so confused. They said it was a medical first for them.
Anyway, you don't have to like Him, but He healed me and has always done crazy stuff for me. I know my God well; I know that He is not racist and I know that He is not sexist. There's nothing more to say about it. He is not homophobic, He is not scared of homosexuals? It's just forbidden, just like sex out of marriage or any other thing. I don't recall Him being scared of it. I don't support homosexuality myself either, I don't support a lot of things, but a lot of people don't support it, that doesn't make us AFRAID of homosexuality. I never understood the term homoPHOBIA; phobia infers we have a debilitating fear of something, and since that's not the case its an abuse of the word I think.
I am sorry to assume that you don't know anything about God. It's just that what you say doesn't line up with what I know about God. I don't know what else to say, if you want me to be honest. I don't wish to offend you, you clearly know some things. But not all things. In fact, the verse you used to prove that God sends people to hell is the verse I use to prove that He does NOT.
I already explained a lot of this stuff, and if you were willing to listen I'd do everything I can to explain it, multiple times if I had to, but I won't if you don't want me to. You also seem to want to ignore most of what I say; to answer one last question, as this is important, God DID forgive everyone. I think you missed that part :c It's just, He's not going to force someone who doesn't want to be with Him, to BE with Him. Would you want that? You hate Him. Why would you want God to force you to be with Him? THAT would be abusive. And that would be WRONG of Him to do. He's never going to do that, but He has already forgiven everyone.
And, well... if this is what it's like to be a slave, I like it <3 It's f**kin awesome in that case rofl I don't have to worry about anything harming me, I am protected and loved, and I have freedom because I can leave at any time I wish. I can know beforehand that no matter what happens, it will be taken care of... I describe it as putting life on easy mode. Bro, you don't have to be a Christian, I'm not trying to convince you of anything... but please know that what you have said thus far is just not what the Bible says. It's common interpretation but its not fact. <3 I know my God well, and that's not Him. There's nothing more to say. The God you describe is not my God.
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While I'm glad for you, no answer of how they went away doesn't mean god did it. The doctors may have been wrong in their diagnoses for instance and it wasn't abscess
Did you read the bible? God killer Er and his brother as their mother was a Caananite
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. "
Do I need to go into Leviticus 18:22? Also, homophobic also means hating gay people as oppose to just fearing
Didn't god make hell?
Didn't he make the rules for going?
Doesn't everything go in accordance to his will?
If all three are yes, he sends people to hell.
Your god is also pro-slavery. The bible has rules about who can be owned, how long you can own them, how much they cost, how to beat them, and even includes a loophole where you can trick your fellow jews into being your slave for life. Wanna learn more? rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_…
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Didn't god make hell? No. He removed his presence from a certain place (wherever Hell is) and Satan/Lucifer created Hell by perverting God's formula for things. With no God, there is no love, replaced with Hate. With no God there is no mercy, beautiful days, happiness, and there are only opposites of good things. Satan made Hell. God simply made a place for the devil to go into exile, and all those who want to follow the devil are more than free to follow, like I said again God won't force us to be with Him. It's easier to get to Heaven than most realize... no SIN will send us to Hell. It doesn't work like that. If it's in our heart to want to be with God, then boom, we can be with God. But if we hate Him and don't want to be with Him, he won't force us.
Didn't he make the rules for going? No. There are no rules for going to Heaven or Hell. As stated above, no sin will damn you to hell and no righteous act will bless you with a spot in Heaven. It does not work like that, and Hell is not to punish those who have sinned. To say it again, you will only go to Hell if you don't want to live with God and if it's not in your interest to follow Him. This is not a "submit or die" tactic at all. You are your own person, you have the freedom to choose where you should go or not go; so what will you choose, is the right question to ask. If I sinned right now, I'd never be sent to Hell, that's not how that works.
Doesn't everything go in accordance to his will? NO. Absolutely not actually! lol Far from it. A lot of it is up to us. We can follow God and seek His will and give way for that to come to pass, or we can do the opposite and seek the devil and have his will come to pass. It says in the Bible, "For God wills that no one should perish, but that all should come to salvation and everlasting life"... but not all do. That's because our choice is involved as well, and even though God wants ALL of us to be saved, He is not about to override YOUR wishes and kidnap you and make you live with him for the rest of eternity. You'll have to come to Him of your own accord. Unfortunately the only other place, outside of God's presence, is Hell; and that means that God, the embodiment of all that is good, cannot be there as His presence is not there... unfortunately that also means that a lot of suffering is there, because that place is the opposite of Him. Where there should be love and mercy, there is HATE and SENSELESS TORTURE.... but that's the devil for you. He's a cruel bastard.
So, those are all No. <3
And anything is possible, Xenomaster, but they know its an abscess, they ran so many tests on me... cat scans, blood tests, x rays, throat swabs and they even ran a line down into my throat through my nasal cavity. They can confirm that they are sure its an abscess, but they will admit that I am acting very different than one usually does. I have this testimony, on top of many others... this is a normal way of life for me, I don't have to be afraid of anything and I can be sure that nothing will harm me. I can expect to be healed of all that ever comes against me to ail me.
I have explained before about the old testament. Sin was a cancer = incurable, until Jesus came. It had to be eradicated. God already tried it once before to just let everything be and let sin go unpunished; that was right before Noah's flood, and it says that men's hearts grew so cold that they only devised evil and that's it. There was killing, rape, bestiality (actually very popular then), all sorts of sexual sins and lots of women being gangraped in the streets with everyone being fine with it (except the women ofc), etc. Do I think the old testament is invalid? No. Jesus puts it this way when people ask Him that same question, "Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true. I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, neither a period nor a comma will disappear from Moses' Teachings before everything has come true." Basically, to translate, Jesus did not come to invalidate any of the things that the old testament says, the creation and all of that happened, and it's all true. However, the ten commandments (really a couple thousand commandments actually) were put in place not to give people a way to get to heaven if they are holy enough, but to show them that they CANNOT be righteous enough, EVER, to get to Heaven on their own. They would need a Savior (Jesus) to do it for them. That was the prophecy given in the old testament many times, and Jesus finally came along, bore all sins in Himself, God punished Him to the fullest extent as we should have been, and now no sins will send us to Hell. The only thing that will send us to hell is our free choice to go, but NOTHING else ever will.
We are not meant to HATE gay people. We are to show everyone love and mercy, just as Jesus showed mercy. We ARE however meant to hate sin. I do hate sin... even if I do mess up sometimes. God isn't mad when I do, in fact He doesn't even see when I sin because I'm with him... but I don't like sin. I can also follow God's instructions and show love to the people who are not with Him. The point of my original post was to show that, actually; homosexuality is NOT okay, it IS bad, just like any other sin, but the people are another story. They need love just like everyone else. And no ONE sin is the reason for going to hell; if we don't want to be with God or get cleansed by Him (this is our free choice, remember) then we cannot be in His presence because Darkness cannot merge with Light as the Bible puts it. Once you become a Christian, you are set for life and no sin will be held against you. You can't just freely sin, that's not how it works, but if you mess up you don't have to worry. It just matters where your heart is; if you follow God in your heart, then you follow God.
I am a woman, and I support that teaching from Paul in the Bible. A lot of the things he said were of his own accord and not a direct word of God, but I support it regardless. It's not a law, it's a respect thing. Women should respect men, but men are also to treat women right and to not hurt or abuse them. Men MUST treat women as God treats the church, and that's pretty fuggin good. In fact, it's a lot of pressure to live up to that much love.
Eh, I am sorry for the wall of text. Keep in mind that I write long things regardless of what I am talking about. Please don't be offended lol That is not what I wish to do. I hope this helps though.
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Wow, that was very stupid, no offence
If Lucifer was cast out, he would need to be cast to somewhere. So either hell needed to exist before that, or god made a recycle bin for his failed angels. As it says in Isaiah 44:24 “Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.”. He made all things. Even if you go that "Lucifer made hell" bit, who made Lucifer again? Then again, Isaiah 45:7 says god made all things good and evil... so...
Then what is with John 3:18? It is a clear instruction with a reward/punishment involving hell. There are many other passages that say the likes of adulterers, idolaters and homosexuals will not inherit heaven. You later even give very specific guidelines about going to hell...
Along with the aforementioned Isaiah 44:24, there is also Psalm 147:4-5 “He determines the number of the stars and calls them each by name. Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit”. Each passage means he's supposed to be omnipotent and omniscient. So either you are not as well versed as you think, you are lying or your god is a dumbass and/or a blowhard
All you did was find loopholes around my questions, and not even good ones as you are ignoring the bible where convenient to say "no"
Again, it doesn't mean god did it. Aliens could have cured you. Why don't you give thanks to Zortor or the globulon cluster?
And your god thought teaching in such a way as comparable to an actual teacher is not as good as genocide... how? Plus what of the old ladies, children and babies?
Jesus also said if you don't love him more than your family, you aren't worthy of him.
No one made the choice to go to hell. I don't believe it exists, yet am I choosing to go?
And yet they were to be killed in the old testament, Jesus never said anything specific about homosexuality, god in the new testament uses it as a punishment and (as I said before) gay people aren't allowed into heaven. And now I lost some respect for you as you say it is bad when there is nothing aside from my god/holy book said so. Unless you come to me with an example of someone keeling over because two dudes kissed, I will never agree with you on homosexuality being bad. And to top off this trainwreck of logic, my sister is bisexual, my cousin is either a lesbian or bisexual, I'm straight, they're Christian, I'm Atheist. Hel, my whole family supports same sex marriage, only myself and my father are atheist! The closest the either of us were to Christian was me listening, then shrugging it off due to ignorance while my father just thought it was bunk from the get go.
Yet 1 Corinthians (which is about Paul) says women should shut up in church and ask their husband all the questions at home while Colossians says women should submit to their husbands as "as it is fit in the Lord". New Testament passages. Plus Paul isn't god
I'm not mad, disapointed. Especially since you seemed to ignore what I said of slavery.
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Congratulations, you just made everyone here dumber with your lack of logic!
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Because hearing me say that God doesn't hate gays or the lbtq+ community is bad right? c:
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I thi k its mostly because you are representing religious views as fact when actual facts have debunked several claims you just sttemoted tk make
Ex. Being gay is a choice/ needs to be avoided/is bad etc.
I mean you are entitled to your opinion, just shedding some light on why they probably reacted to you the way they did.
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Believe me, what I said is definitely fact. But sometimes, certain people won't like those facts. There are facts that I don't like either, but it doesn't take away their legitimacy. Homosexuality is NOT okay, it really should be avoided, it is bad, and it IS a choice (according to former homosexuals and some homosexuals themselves), and no "actual facts" can make it okay. BUT God will still love you, and you'll be good to go so long as your heart is in the right place (as in, for example, you still care about what is right and what is wrong in relation to God). That is all I was saying. Homosexuality is just like any other sin, its all bad, and the bible says that if you offend in one area, you offend in ALL, so we're all equally screwed on the sin thing. But as long as we rely on God and have our heart in the right place, we're fine and sinless in His eyes. And He loves us, He even loves the non-believers. They may choose to not go to Heaven, but just because THEY made the choice to stay away from Him doesn't mean He doesn't love them. Keep in mind, God will not punish you for any sin (only sin that sends you to Hell is not being made perfect by Jesus, and that happens by making Jesus your Lord). God won't even see when you mess up. But no, this isn't "religious views"; Christianity is not in the slightest a religion, in the definition of the word "religion"; religion literally means "bondage", as in, bondage to try to attain perfection, being punished if you mess up, bondage to follow traditions and rituals, etc. We have none of that; we are a kingdom, a people with a King that is not from this world. That King gives us the power to be able to perform miracles in His Name and such. It's not even a faith, because faith infers believing in things you can't see. Sure, we cannot see God all the time with our eyes, but we've seen Him in every single other way, and to be honest a lot actually have seen Him with their eyes, and in their dreams too. We work literal miracles in His Name, we raise people from the dead where there is no way for it to happen, we heal the sick, we restore blind eyesight, always make it through 'without even the smell of smoke' so to speak, etc... There's no doubt in my mind that God is real, I'm pretty sure people don't wake up suddenly with a gasp of air hours after they've been dead just because you said "Come back to life in Jesus Name" if God wasn't real, and since He is real and I don't even have to have blind faith anymore about God's existence, His existence is slapping me in the face every single day pretty much with all that He does, then these "religious views" are completely facts. There's no way around it.
Science is a study of the physical world, and Christianity goes beyond into the spiritual... and the spiritual is much more powerful than this physical world. In other words, science is limited in a way. It cannot see everything that exists, it can only see and study tangible things.
And you know what? The fact is... God is love, and no matter what He will always love you. Sure, certain things are bad, but as long as you put Him first and have your heart in the right place, as I have said, that is all we need to do. We can mess up and God wouldn't even acknowledge that we HAVE sinned, that's what Jesus did for us, He was punished so that we would NEVER have to be, if we trust in Him and receive what He has given us.
I hope what I have said has been a blessing to you, and I hope that you were able to get past the first part without getting too hurt. It is not meant to hurt anyone, though it unfortunately does... I hope you learn to accept that sometimes the choices we make are just... bad. It doesn't mean that WE are bad, but sometimes making the wrong decision and someone calling us out on it is a positive thing (not inferring that you are a homosexual or not, or anything really, I mean in general). Anyway, I wish you the best.
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