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Description Okay, so here's the deal. I'm going to preach a little bit here so if you're easily offended by critiques or just don't feel like reading advice , I suggest you hit the back button. I'm speaking mostly to all those folks that PM or e-mail me wanting advice on their artwork and how to break into comics so, if that's not you, you don't need to read on or do if you just feel like getting a little insight on the world of comics.

That being said, I'm going to address something that a lot of comic book artist hopefuls dread-BACKGROUNDS!!!!!! Yes I know, you hate drawing them and would rather be drawing your favorite superhero or anime/manga character. Can't blame you, I would too but if you have any hope of illustrating professionally or just want to make kick-ass believable art in your spare time it's something you're going to have to practice at some point. Truth be told, the majority of all the Amateur comic art I see is horribly lacking in this department. I've seen some of the coolest character art but the entire peice falls apart because the artist either didn't give the background the same attention they gave the character or they left one out all together leaving Spider-man clinging to a magic invisible wall. Let's face it, backgrounds (hereafter referred to as BGs) are no fun!....or are they? I had the same problem with BGs for years and found I couldn't come up with convincing scenes to set my characters in. I couldn't come up with an image in my head and translate it down onto paper or I would get to frustrated and just give up. It wasn't until about 10 years ago that I saw the light. I was at a convention showing my work trying to get a gig when I came across an artist sitting in artist alley. He had a pretty good portfolio so I started flipping through. About half way in I came across a huge double page spread of the island of Manhattan. This artist had drawn the entire island from a airplane view complete with every building, visible street, harbor, and even little boats and tankers in the water. It was as if this guy had taken a helicopter ride out over the water about 1000 feet up and looked back to take a mental picture of the city to draw it. Every detail was there and the design of each building and window was addressed. Immediately I asked how the hell he was able to draw BGs so well. He replied “do you like drawing backgrounds?" "No" I replied. He smirked and said "well, I do." he went on to say the only way to learn backgrounds is to make yourself love them. Stop looking at them as a burden or something you rush through to get to the fun stuff. You have to realize that BGs are there to add life and believability to your characters. They can take a normal shot of Spider-man swinging and make him look as if he's hundreds of feet above New York or swooshing inches from the street down a canyon of buildings. In all honesty, I sometimes spend more time on the BGs than I do on the characters in the panel. It's not because I like the BGs more or dislike the characters, it's just that I like to pretend my BGs are another character unto themselves that create a setting for my cast.
So by now you're saying "that's all well and good but how do I get started?" Well, I'm glad you asked. The first thing to do is to get out there and draw!! I know, you've been told a thousand times that you need to draw from life so let's make this 1001. Get out there and sit under a tree or on a city bench and draw what you see. Pay close attention to architecture and plant life. Figure out with your pencil what makes a building look like a building, a car, or a tree. Now figure out what makes different buildings, cars, and trees look different and what makes them the same. If you do this long enough you find that you can make up buildings, cars, trees, etc up in your head without looking at a picture or reference. Secondly, study perspective like there's no tomorrow. This is the biggest thing you can do make your BGs convincing. Trust me, I know it's hard now but you'll thank me later when you're whipping out landscapes like a pro. For you beginners or even those that want to advance your knowledge I suggest the book 'Perspective for the Comic Book Artist". I own over 100 'how to' artbooks and this is the single best book I've ever bought and still use it to this day. It changed my art and a swear on it like the bible. Check out it the next time you're in a book store or get it from your local library. Heck, here's the Amazon.com address where you can order it!: [link] d_bbs_4/104-4366842-2812751?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
And believe me, it's great for all kinds of perspective, not just comic books. You'll learn 2 point, 3 point, 5 point, and curvular perspective before you know it and be well on your way. Just look at my any piece in my gallery with a cityscape to see what I mean.

So that's it guys. I hope this helped some of you a little bit and you'll take this advice and run with it. I'm a firm believer that there's no such thing as talent and anyone can accomplish their goals if they just commit and practice. All you need is the right tools. And just to drive the point home, I'm posting a plethora or BGs that I've done in the last year in various books. These are just a small handful of the huge amount I've had to do so believe me, I speak from experience. Oh yeah, and a warning. The file is a bit large so, if you click on it, you’ve been warned

Best regards,
-Mark
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Comments: 514

Fenomena [2005-09-22 16:23:15 +0000 UTC]

It encourages and discourages me at the same time XD
Very well done.

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Sweet-Nymph [2005-09-22 16:15:06 +0000 UTC]

Do you have any recommendations for drawing indoor backgrounds?

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westpunk16 [2005-09-22 16:09:24 +0000 UTC]

Excellent pointers and BGs man

Drawing Backgrounnds are a very overlooked and underestimated part of an illustration process. Very eye opening, and BTW that book is harder than hell to aquire in bookstores and art supply stores, thanks for the link!

PeAz

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DarthZemog [2005-09-22 16:00:38 +0000 UTC]

Amazing stuff!

Thanks for the book tip, gonna have to pick that up!

~DZ

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p-brane [2005-09-22 15:49:43 +0000 UTC]

insightful

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artjunkie767 [2005-09-22 15:44:04 +0000 UTC]

First off, lovely picture! Second off, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!! I'm gonna order the book and carry it as it was my bible! Best advice ever. Once I start to submit bgs, and more 'complete' pieces of art. I would greatly appriciated if you would be able to critique them. I don't mind if you were harsh, infact I encourage harshness. I mean, how else would I learn to better my art and to fine tune my skills. Thank you again for the advice and the wonderful piece of art work. I'm definetly purchasing that book! Later!

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Eve-Regalia In reply to ??? [2005-09-22 15:43:48 +0000 UTC]

Definitely good advice. Equally good work. Definitely something to think about.

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CEZacherl [2005-09-22 15:43:34 +0000 UTC]

Sent for the book immediately. Please don't be afraid to make posts like this, I can only speak for myself but background-phobia is definitely something I've had and avoided like the plague, adressing commonalities like this hepls the rest of us come along. Thanks.

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Dakiedoodles [2005-09-22 15:43:17 +0000 UTC]

thanks for the advice. :woot:

yeahp.. been having problems doing BGs too...
me needs more practice.

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Art-eye [2005-09-22 15:41:41 +0000 UTC]

Amazin

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MightyRavenscar [2005-09-22 15:41:22 +0000 UTC]

I don't know which I like better, the BGs or the advice. Thanks for both!

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elsevilla [2005-09-22 15:40:32 +0000 UTC]

insane details, luv it a lot, it seems that took you for ever, did you used 0.3? because has a lot of line quality

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Blade-14 [2005-09-22 15:27:14 +0000 UTC]

How long does it usually take to draw a background in one of those pics? for u anyway, i WANT AN ANSWER!!

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diablo2003 In reply to Blade-14 [2005-09-22 16:03:06 +0000 UTC]

Most of the stuff you see in this entry are single panels on a multipanel page so they took anywhere from an hours to 6 hours to do. It all depends on the size and detail.

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Blade-14 In reply to diablo2003 [2005-09-22 19:15:25 +0000 UTC]

lol, thanks for replying mate, sorry for da shouting response b4 just thought it'd be a way to get your attention btw your advice is very handy and valuble background practice i will.

Just wan say again your stuff is awesome man,

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MarcelPerez [2005-09-22 15:21:15 +0000 UTC]

Don't worry, I can't be offended by something that is absolutely RIGHT.
Yeah, backgrounds were not of my interest until I found out that they could make a drawing three times better if they were applied correctly...
So I'm fighting to strenghten my patience for the BGs whenever I draw something.
If you have time, you a can see scans of my amateur comic in my page... I tried to take profit of the backgrounds, but feel free to critisize me if you want
By the way, amazing backgrouns and perspectives, really. Congratulations man.

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drakered [2005-09-22 15:18:46 +0000 UTC]

Well said and outstanding work. Love the cafateria scene.

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WillCaligan [2005-09-22 15:14:03 +0000 UTC]

Hey Mark and thanks for the input. I have the book that you are referring to and I will be the first to admit that I just do not understand the graph system. I have tried to wrap my head around it but it just isn't coming to me. I want to do awesome backgrounds. I think my figures are pretty decent but the piece falls apart because of perspective and bg problems. Would you mind trying to explain the graph system to doing backgrounds?

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MTCarpenter [2005-09-22 15:06:49 +0000 UTC]

You're train yard is admirable!

I went to art school for a bit of time, and even before that, anyone I ever talked to about comic book art always said to learn to draw backgrounds. When passing this information on to others, they always balked at it, and wrote me off as not knowing what I'm talking about, or they would get to it later.

Now I'm no fantastic artist, but I will say that what I learned in school - traditional illustration - was that the whole piece needs to work together as one. My common mistake was that I would work one area, then another, then another, so I'd have a bunch of wonderfully rendered "pieces" but that's what it looked like. A bunch of pieces on one sheet of paper. I'm learning more and more how to work the entire illustration as a whole.

I think a lot of younger comic book artists either loose sight or just don't understand that their craft has firm roots in traditional illustration, and that learning from the masters as well as practicing their particular form of the craft has countless value.

Your advice of drawing from real life is what I think is key for -all- up and coming comic book artists!

Rant over. Great stuff as always. And absolute advice as well!

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phoenixdk [2005-09-22 14:52:00 +0000 UTC]

F***ing gorgeous man, especially the top-down views... math never looked so damn good. And as for the advice, I think it's the same for everything that needs to be learned: just do it and pay attention. There is no easy way around practice.

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loveandchaos13 [2005-09-22 14:46:28 +0000 UTC]

You are such an amazing guy, seriously, *praise* just the fact that you would put something like this out, and trust me I take this sort of thing very seriously, I'm working on my backgrounds right now so this is perfect timing. Anyways, thanks again... you know.. for giving people inspiration.

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Britt7094 [2005-09-22 14:42:47 +0000 UTC]

Wow that was great advice! I am one of those BG fearing types, mainly because of two things, the large amount of time that they can take and my short attention span. When doing background I get distracted and end up finishing it quickly so I can do something else.
Of course my ability to draw buildings and cars etc isn't exactly brilliant either, I find a great place to practice is my university campus because its such a funky shape, some of the buildings are pretty odd looking too but mostly made of breeze block (oh they joys of grey buildings *rolls eyes*).

Those backgrounds in the picture there are excellant!

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mazingo5 [2005-09-22 14:31:58 +0000 UTC]

I've been doing the same thing for a long time and my backgrounds are still unsatisfactory. But I'm glad someone finally said it. Many artists on here don't realize that the backgrounds are just as important as anything else in the piece. Great job by the way.

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peanutcase [2005-09-22 14:29:48 +0000 UTC]

Im inspired~!!!

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xshadowx [2005-09-22 14:02:07 +0000 UTC]

Amazing, simply amazing. Can't imagine how long those took you but I'm sure it'd take me atleast twice as longer.

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LostKorean [2005-09-22 14:00:13 +0000 UTC]

I like the Train Yard, it looks great. Your words are strong.

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SieTalon [2005-09-22 13:56:32 +0000 UTC]

/sigh You're right, right, right...


/sigh

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needcoffee [2005-09-22 13:51:50 +0000 UTC]

i don't draw comics but i'm a fan of "good" comic art...i agree...it is very important to put the "heros" on a situation-matching background to make the scene and feel complete...i think your advice will be very helpful for upcoming artists

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Spinnas [2005-09-22 13:47:29 +0000 UTC]

Wow i see the sketch of donovan this is awsome! ur a good artist

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Druce-White-Owl [2005-09-22 13:43:45 +0000 UTC]

You know it's funny, I LOVE to do backgrounds! I really do! The trick is that once I've drawn the character, I can't find the inspiration to draw in a background; part of why I fave up the idea of an art career. I'm just not cut out for the demands it comes with.

That said, you're COMPLETELY correct, without a back ground a picture will never reach it's full glory. I've found alot of the time, I'll be looking at some background picture, maybe watching a biography about someone, or driving down the street and see a window display that catches my eye. And that one real life scene shifts into a background and brings the ideas for a picture into my mind!

So I begin on the picture, draw in the character that suits the background, and there's where it ends, because once more, I've finished the character and I just don't find the inspiration to draw the background that inspired me in the first place. The few times I have done backgrounds they don't live up to what I wanted them to be...

Hmmm... This has given me an idea for pictures. I should work on some background pics only! No characters in them!

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Freakconformist [2005-09-22 13:43:39 +0000 UTC]

Great backgrounds D! ^_^

Great story and better advice, I don't want to be a professional Artist (anymore ) but I am studying to become a teacher.
I may be an Art Teacher by time I'm 50 or so (i promise to be the crazy fun loving art teacher we all know and love),
and I will keep that advice in mind when I face the new generation of comic book maker wanna-bes.

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Andoledius [2005-09-22 13:29:52 +0000 UTC]

thank you for knocking that into my head x___x i've been waiting for someone to tell me this .__. before its always been like "backrounds are easy! just draw some buildings!" and i've ALWAYS put off backrounds until the end, and by that time i always get to "tired" by the picture, and put in a boring background ><

your backgrounds are amazing, and i guess practicing does make you better...even when your the worst at things

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emersontung [2005-09-22 13:20:48 +0000 UTC]

thanks lots for the advice. it really encourages me to start practicing and workin on BGs.. nya~~

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SoulRanger [2005-09-22 13:18:30 +0000 UTC]



it does... thanks a lot!!

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DreamEpic [2005-09-22 13:09:52 +0000 UTC]

I couldn't agree with you more. The professors here at scad stress the importance of backgrounds because some students (especially in the sequential art department) never really want to take the time to do a great background, especially one that's in perspective, and could ruin the whole composition of just one panel or even the whole page. In fact, there's a whole class called 'Backgrounds, Props, and Structures' meant for just that!

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nocturne912 [2005-09-22 13:03:22 +0000 UTC]

i've actually started an art class in college recently (my first one ever) and we have pretty much just started with doing still lifes and backgrounds... and they're intimidating as hell since almost everyone in this class has done art classes for YEARS and i'm a self-taught stooge... but i'm givin' it a try since i know it will help me out with my current work ... and cuz i payed to take the class... might as well get my money's worth... but yeah... i have been doing backgrounds and have seen my work improve ten fold! though i cant post it yet since my scanner doesnt scan that big.... but yeah... totally agree with you and thanks for the tips.

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fazzle [2005-09-22 12:55:24 +0000 UTC]

you never cease to amaze me with how much you go into detail and yet keep it simple and interesting with your points of view.
you truely are amazing. and i look up to that

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eugenecommodore [2005-09-22 12:49:44 +0000 UTC]

very insightfull thanks for the help Mark.

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joapa [2005-09-22 12:48:25 +0000 UTC]

amazing page! I loved so much!!

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LatinaMinority [2005-09-22 12:45:27 +0000 UTC]

woot thanks so much for the LOOOOOOOOONNNNG story. i've never really thought of BGs just the character in the front. thanks alot. i wanna get that book muhaha i only have one how to book and it's old time Stan lee comic art.

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FWACATA [2005-09-22 12:34:53 +0000 UTC]

Wow, wow, wow!
Great shit.
And your right!
Preach on brother man!

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Pittore [2005-09-22 12:34:16 +0000 UTC]

Wow. Oh my gosh...Now that is some sweet background art!
And thanks for the tip, I'll be sure to practice my bgs more now that I understand how important they really are.
You've really put a new perspective on them for me

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TestingPointDesign [2005-09-22 12:32:48 +0000 UTC]

Awesome art and words! I'm really glad you decided to share your knowledge about this. I was recently looking at some old comic book pages of mine and saw how weak the backgrounds were.

I try to look at drawing comic books like making a movie. The entire world of characters and backgrounds have to be realistic in order for you to "sell" it to the viewer. Every element around the characters is just as important as the characters themselves. It's the attention to detail that makes for great comic book art.

I'm definitely checking out that book you suggested.

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bluessence [2005-09-22 12:18:04 +0000 UTC]

That's some pretty good advice.. I've been realizing in the last few months that backgrounds are key to success with just about any high quality/successful illustrations. Unfortunately I have yet to be able to master backgrounds, good to know I'm headed in the right direction at least. ^__^

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Bomu In reply to ??? [2005-09-22 12:17:19 +0000 UTC]

Great stuff- even your debris and rubble looks like real 3d objects and not like a load of scribles trying to create a sense of "mess" and "destruction". I admire people that can draw BGs like this and will try to add them into my works more often.

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ENM-36 [2005-09-22 12:08:34 +0000 UTC]

oh my goodness o.o those backgrounds are beautiful! How long did it take you to learn to do stuff like that? *Since is planning on being a graphic novelist someday, is trying to draw backgrounds more often!*

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girlzOr [2005-09-22 11:59:11 +0000 UTC]

boost of inspiration there.. thanks!

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Daquri [2005-09-22 11:49:38 +0000 UTC]

Wow...That was insightful...And I'll try to take it to heart. I'm not one of the ppl who PMed you-but I do have trouble w/ bgs. Thanks for the tips.

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unexpected-destiny [2005-09-22 11:45:45 +0000 UTC]

Wow, you're like.. the best Now I know what to do... and I'm starting it right now:> Awesome patience you have. I gave up to easly, but this time will be different. Thanks^_^

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grambo [2005-09-22 11:45:10 +0000 UTC]

If you don't like something and can't change it, change the way you think about it, eh?
I can tell you I certainly push myself despite having a bad attitude at times, but my BG's dont get much better.
I'll be sure to check out your book link though. Any other recommendations??

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