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Very cool picture! I love the sparks!
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This fight was all flash and no substance and ended in the most anticlimactic way possible. What a fucking waste of a good villain.
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Tell that to Sienna Khan.
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Don't care what anybody says, this was a damn good fight.
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I would argue that Adam wasn't nerfed in this fight. He was nerfed a long time ago, come V5. It was progressive, but pretty low and cheap to reduce a character like he was before, just to make Blake and Yang "seem" to grow. This not only tore my interest and investment in Adam away, but it made me discussed at Yang's character: someone who got me into the show. Strong relatable character, turned forcefully "strong female character" used to shipbait.
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How exactly was Adam nerfed? Explain that to me.Β
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Technically, I don't have to explain myself to anybody, especially if they end their words at a demand. But for the sake of wanting to reduce further tension, I'll do so anyway.
I'm inclined to the idea of somebody standing up to someone who was once dear to them, and is about to commit terrorism. As would anyone who encourages justice. But there was more to Adam than an abusive ex-boyfriend (if Blake even expressed that) and somebody whom you had to defeat without working up to them. And to another's perspective, Adam is a form of encouragement for justice.
The standard for Adam had been set when he made his official appearance by crippling half of the main four protags, and is partially responsible for their separation and depression, Fall of Beacon aside. Because of this, yes, Adam was set up as somebody who would be defeated, righted of his wrongs, or (while many might disbelieve) redeemed. But because of the threat that he had been established to be (which granted, caught the interests of a minor side of the fandom), his defeat was not earned by characters like Blake or Yang. Let alone, shared with Weiss, of all characters. They lacked the proper training, power, and mentality to someone of Adam's own skills, power, and previous mentality.
And while I understand that a person can break down, should their ideals fall apart (even as a grown ass man mind you) that could in a sense do damages to the protagonists, showing that they were not capable of facing somebody who was already set up to be more threatening. Newer Adam is not threatening. He is whiny. Old Adam was threatening. He was an effective, dark-grey character. Not just by V5 and 6's fighting, but his character was nerfed, just so that Blake and Yang can beat him, and live... as I've stated previously.
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So basically it comes down to his personality changing. In effect, sure I suppose that made him easier to beat, but it's not because he had less power, it's simply because he was in a state of mind where he wasn't using it properly. He was spamming his Semblance rather than using it at it's most powerful. That doesn't make him weaker as a character, that just makes him weaker as a person. There's no deus ex machina and regardless of the exact motivation behind the change, it wasn't out of place in the world and made sense following basic psychology as well as the rules of the world as established by the writers.Β
The problem here is people making Adam out to be bigger than he was meant to be. Was he an imposing person meant to strike fear into the protagonists and the audience? Sure. But he was in effect similar to the role played by Hisoka in Hunter X Hunter. Strong, terrifying, but ultimately beatable. (Not that we see him beaten by the protagonists, but they don't present him as untouchable.) He was meant to be an obstacle but not the final one on their path. Adam was terrifying, but after he was beaten he lost himself and his confidence drawn from his perverted sense of justice and righteousness faltered. (It's been established that Aura and Semblance abilities can be affected by ones' state of mind) Adam's climax as a character in my opinion was at the end of Volume 5. Volume 6 was just the fall and attempt at climbing back up, but he was thoroughly beaten.
To say that one would have preferred it go differently is one thing, but acting like it was poor writing just because the character had a breakdown is simply fallacious.Β
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Like, it could be cool that Blake and Yang defeated the man that crippled them, and how he's insane and they're not and able to move on. But it would've been more impressive to see how they could've grown to stop what Adam was from Volumes 1-3 (+4 with Yang's trauma).
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Just to play Devil's Advocate:
You're right, Adam being diminished psychologically, mentally, and characteristically was not out of nowhere. It was gradual. The show might've gave the impression that he was untouchable, but that doesn't make it true. He was like the show's Broly, Shadow the Hedgehog, and Levi Ackerman for me. In a sense of concepts, motivation, and most impressive actions.
Yang getting over her PTSD, that is a deus ex machina (by a story's attempt of audience reaction point of view). PTSD may not just go away based on how you feel, but it is different depending on the person. They might not have officially shown how Yang managed to deal with it, but I'll argue that she did and was able to offscreen and face Adam. She's not the strong person who faces troubles like I bonded with anymore, she's just someone who will get over her problems, no matter what.
But one more thing for example: One of the many reasons why people like Avatar the Last Air Bender is not just because of the characterizations of the protagonists, but also the characterizations of the antagonists. Plus the actions, and the story.
Now if Adam were meant to be just an obstacle for RWBY, very much like Junior or Ilia, then I'd argue that the Black Trailer was a mistake. Cinder's first request to the White Fang was an unneeded scene. There was no need to give Adam such a great fighting style, ability, or motivation that would make others side with him. There was no need to give the impression that he was going to be an essential character. His time skip outfit would be enough, because it's hardly impressive.
RWBY just seems like a show that favors and fleshes out the heroes, and have to give little consideration towards the villains if all they are is something to be stopped. Very much like how all Ruby is is just to be the main protagonist who barely effects anything. A mascot, if you will.
If this is how RT wants to establish their story, then that's fine. It's just not going to be a story that seems fair to particular sides of the fandom. I'd argue that this isn't bad writing. It's just RT's writing. One which favors them, some of the audiences, but not for proper structure of story telling. What it is is cheap, but even cheap things have high qualities (that just don't last well).
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ok, here's the thing. Adam was obsessive by the point of this fight. He wasn't gonna let it go or run away again. it wouldn't make sense for him to just suddenly say "Fine, whatever" and leave. They made it abundantly clear that the next time they met would mean life or death. no other way would have made sense. Not to mention that even if they did let him live, there's no way in hell that he'd give up and leave them alone and they knew it. The only way it was going to end was with someone dying, and they were never going to kill off Blake or Yang.
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To the people complaining about Adam's death, Yang's PTSD, etc...
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Deal with it and move on.
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Especially EruptionFang!
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DEAL WITH IT FOOL!π
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This was more then amonth ago
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Now this is what adam should have been a man hunting a deserter instead of a x boyfriend.
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Errr... Why do you think Adam's dead? We didn't see him die, did we? We never seen his dead body neither.
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it's also confirmed by the creators that he's dead
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In such a odd way like he said he was but then said he would have to get a robotic body or something so wouldnβt surprise me
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Oh boy here we go...
So, youβre expected to believe that someone who got stabbed twice in the heart, fell off a cliff and hit his head onto a rock without his aura (probably cracked his fucking skull) and is currently decomposing at the bottom of a body of water is going to come back?
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I'm still pissed Pyrrha's dead.Β
You don't blend comedic-action-adventure with tragic-drama and get a good result.
Plus, the fight-scenes are so long they got old for me. So I stopped watching the show.
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Pyrrha's dead was great - best emotional reaction I've got watching this show! I love heroic sacrifice and I hate plot armour, so no wonder that I like this scene.
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That was no heroic sacrifice; RT killed her off like a bitch, and yet allowed less interesting characters, like Ruby, to live on.
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Yeah, I see your point. Pyrrhaβs death hurt and still hurts, but at this point I donβt truly care anymore. After Volume 5 I stopped having hope for RT to bring this around. V6 didnβt really help either. At this point, I think that Iβll either watch it to see how much worse they can fuck it up, or Iβll stop watching altogether.
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Why? Could you tell me what's this?
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Why!
Well because I never liked his character. Since Volume 5 he got worse when he just turned into a whiny kid.
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9S from Nier Automata and Akechi from Persona 5 both went insane and their far better characters then Adam.
I like Adam's design, weapon and powers. His character, not so much. XD Β
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That's messed up.Β Even if you're not satisfied with how Adam was written, why would you not want Blake and Yang to survive?
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I want Blake to not only survive, but to NOT have a Fauna boyfriend/husband, but a Human one instead.Β Coupling her up with the guy with the monkey tail feels kinda forced, like Wonder Woman's romance with Superman.
Still Pyrrha's death crippled my enjoyment of the show; it caused it to bleed out. I've grown to hate modern shows because they ALWAYS take my emotional investment and destroy it.
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