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Published: 2017-06-29 21:14:55 +0000 UTC; Views: 29432; Favourites: 546; Downloads: 131
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Description With all the fuzz around Tyrannosaurid scales I guess we were all a bit shaken up, not really because of Bell et al. (2017)  itself but more because of the media going full JP fanboy. Luckily there were lots of other replies to give a more nuanced look at the paper so there's that. With that all in mind I decided to draw some Tyrannosaurids again, because I hadn't drawn one a while before the paper and after the paper I hadn't drawn any others either 
because I was waiting for all the blogposts, journals and opinions and busy with finals.
Now that I've seen enough about it and I also have the actual time to do some free time drawing it was time to grab the pencils and fineliners again. 

So, with Tyrannosaurus showing a wide distribution of scales I'm off the densely feathered wagon and will go for mostly scaly with sparse feathers based on Witton as well as this by
You might also be aware of Carr et al. (2017) and their Tyrannosaurid facial integument, but their arguments for it aren't particularly strong so I partly disagree and go for keratinized skin on the face like a crocodile, but with a full set of lips.

Also, be aware that even though Tyrannosaurus might be mostly scaly, the scales could also not even be true scales but reticula as in birds (modified feathers that look like scales) which means it not always has to be a reptilian look for Tyrannosaurids. Maybe not even Tyrannosaurus itself when not fully grown or depending on the location of the population. (or even the seasons)

That's why I have a fully feathered Nanuqsaurus here because this Alaskan dwarf species would probably turn into an icicle during winter if it wasnt feathered. There's also a partly feathered Albertosaurus of which we have officially described scale imprints too now, but they're only from the abdomen and Gorgosaurus (which is same-sized and has remains from the same region as Albertosaurus) has some on the tail. These two animals are however inbetween Nanuqsaurus and Tyrannosaurus so how feathered would they be? I went for something inbetween the two, because 1. there's a way larger part of the body we have no impressions whatsoever from and 2. I just wondered about how feathers would retreat during Tyrannosaurid evolution. What I drew here is something similar to how I drew rexes before, but the coat itself is not as dense. Again, this might've varied too for reasons I mentioned earlier.


To get a good look of what we now all have of Tyrannosauroid integument, there's this nice shart.
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Comments: 197

Paleop In reply to ??? [2017-06-30 14:23:28 +0000 UTC]

XD your drawing influenced some edits I made to my model

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Paleop [2017-06-30 17:54:41 +0000 UTC]

Nice xD

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CameronDillon In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 23:04:54 +0000 UTC]

I love your drawing!

  While i would love tyrannosaurus looking like a grizzly emu, a less feathered animal where it would generate more tiny feathers sparsely around it's body would make a lot of sense. I did thought that if a tyannosaurus was mostly scaly, it would turn out something like this picture below, but i really think your tyrannosauriade feather drawing is much better
 

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Dinodc98 In reply to CameronDillon [2017-07-28 19:13:31 +0000 UTC]

Thanks, I really appreciate the input. I will say that in this drawing my Rex is probably breaking every single bone it's leg.

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CameronDillon In reply to Dinodc98 [2017-07-28 20:13:15 +0000 UTC]

No problem, its fine. It still looks very good!

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to CameronDillon [2017-06-30 08:17:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

This is basically the same in feather distribution, so yours looks great too

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CameronDillon In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 14:29:38 +0000 UTC]

You're welcome and thanks

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CameronDillon In reply to CameronDillon [2017-06-30 15:19:29 +0000 UTC]

The drawing is made by dinodc98 so i have to credit him for it, but i have the potential of drawing it. Is there any upcoming drawings you are planning to do

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CJCroen In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 22:32:57 +0000 UTC]

I've lately been thinking "peach fuzz T.rexes". You know, those reconstructions with really sparse but noticeable covering of thin, quill-like fuzz on the back and head? That seems to be looking more likely to me. "T. Rex Autopsy" had a T. rex with that kind of integument.
Either that, or the "feather cape" mentioned in the papers, a thick but small covering of plumage along the back of the animal.
Ooh, or, craziest case scenario, covering like the Pokemon Tyrantrum--mostly scaly/naked, but with a ruff of feathers around the base of the neck and a "pseudo-beard" on the chin for display.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to CJCroen [2017-06-30 08:23:19 +0000 UTC]

At the moment I'm in favour of something similar to "T. rex Autopsy" but spread all over the body. The cape just doesn't really seem so likely to me because I don't see the use of it. 

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CJCroen In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 17:33:51 +0000 UTC]

Tbh, I picture the "cape" being mostly vestigial. T. rex wouldn't be the only animal to have that kinda thing going on, after all--for example, elephants, rhinos, whales, HUMANS! Seriously, what has our hair done for us lately? Besides make us look good, and even that is entirely subjective.
But I agree, "T. rex Autopsy"'s feathering is looking particularly favorable now.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to CJCroen [2017-06-30 17:52:37 +0000 UTC]

I know, but a cape only limited to those parts of the body is so weird. I expect the coat to just thin out everywhere instead of retreating but staying equally dense. Compare a Sumatran rhino with Coelodonta for example. It's not like the latter has a dense, ice age fitted coat only on its back or so. It has just a simple, sparse hair covering all over its body.
We humans are just weird I guess with our "skull coat".

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CJCroen In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 22:26:32 +0000 UTC]

I suppose so.
Well, we humans are definitely unique, what with the whole "we invented clothes, harnessed fire and created artificial heating structures" and all that, so one might argue that we're not a good comparison...but then people said the same thing about elephants...

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to CJCroen [2017-07-01 16:34:02 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, after all so much is possible. 

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CJCroen In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-07-01 19:31:58 +0000 UTC]

Indeed :3

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12monkehs In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 22:15:55 +0000 UTC]

The media went full retard on this one.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-k…

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ThatCoelurosaur In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:56:50 +0000 UTC]

As much as I liked feathered Tyrannosaurs, a teeny tiny part of me still held on to the scaly depictions, (mind you with correct anatomy, no JP monstrosities) so I am very glad that I can draw one its out immediate hate

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to ThatCoelurosaur [2017-06-30 08:25:14 +0000 UTC]

Scaly rexes are a vague memory for me. I have some in the oldest parts of my gallery, but I've been sucked up into the feathered tyrants completely for some years now so I was used to those. Not that I have a problem with these new findings of course, I just had not expected it.

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ThatCoelurosaur In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 11:55:57 +0000 UTC]

I don't think anyone did

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Evodolka In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:51:27 +0000 UTC]

looks great
though i myself might still draw tyrannosaurus with feathers i still love the designs shown here

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Evodolka [2017-06-30 08:25:46 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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Evodolka In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-07-01 14:55:11 +0000 UTC]

your welcome

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acepredator In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:36:36 +0000 UTC]

I don't think a partially feathered coat is out of the option for T. rex. Even if the feathers are spread out they could easily obscure large sections of the body.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to acepredator [2017-06-30 08:27:07 +0000 UTC]

Could be, yes. Something Sumatran rhino-like is how I view it give or take, but that's not so visible from this distance. I did keep it more balder though here.

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acepredator In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 15:18:17 +0000 UTC]

Yep

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Evoblast99 In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:31:41 +0000 UTC]

Awesome job!

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Evoblast99 [2017-06-30 08:27:13 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!

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JonaGold2000 In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:29:05 +0000 UTC]

Dit is ongeveer hoe ik het ook voor me zie, nice.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to JonaGold2000 [2017-06-30 08:29:06 +0000 UTC]

De meeste denk ik zo, de schouders en rug volledig inpakken met veren ziet er gewoon raar uit vind ik.
Bedankt

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JonaGold2000 In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 11:51:58 +0000 UTC]

Ja daar ben ik ook niet zo'n fan van, deze vat het wel mooi samen vind ik. Die van Tom Parker vind ik ook best leuk, maar misschien niet het meest waarschijnlijk.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to JonaGold2000 [2017-06-30 17:57:22 +0000 UTC]

Ja, Tom zijne doet me gewoon te hard denken aan schurft. Niet dat ik dat slecht bedoel, maar er is gewoon geen enkel ander dier met zo'n verspreiding van integument tenzij het die ziekte heeft. Het is wel een hele mooie opsomming van alles wat we al hebben!

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JonaGold2000 In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 18:18:37 +0000 UTC]

Sommige plekken zijn wel een beetje raar, zoals beveerde poten en cloaca, maar de rest valt wel mee vind ik.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to JonaGold2000 [2017-06-30 18:46:52 +0000 UTC]

Ja, dat en de kale eerste helft van de staart. 

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Owlbaskingshark In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:27:45 +0000 UTC]

RIP Ursine tyrant.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Owlbaskingshark [2017-06-30 08:29:56 +0000 UTC]

Hey, this is a bear too: i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/1…

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Owlbaskingshark In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 14:00:48 +0000 UTC]

True.

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AntonellisofbBender In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:27:27 +0000 UTC]

AWESOME this is art is out of this world

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to AntonellisofbBender [2017-06-30 08:30:03 +0000 UTC]

Thanks

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AntonellisofbBender In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 12:09:45 +0000 UTC]

your very welcome

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105697 In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:24:52 +0000 UTC]

I quite like. Looks very natural. I love how you added the boar bludges on the jugals, it looks very prominent and intimidating on rex. I'll be sure to put this in the depictions of my own ideas in the next contest!

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to 105697 [2017-06-30 08:30:47 +0000 UTC]

Thanks!
Yeah, your latest journal came in quite handy while drawing this

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Glavenychus In reply to ??? [2017-06-29 21:19:07 +0000 UTC]

Basically tyannosaurids, of not most theropods, had "dynamic bird skin". Which means everyone wins.

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Glavenychus [2017-06-29 21:19:45 +0000 UTC]

Possibly, yes.

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Glavenychus In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-29 21:21:51 +0000 UTC]

Thought the sensationalistic media took this way out of context. Even NatGeo felt for it...

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Dontknowwhattodraw94 In reply to Glavenychus [2017-06-30 08:34:42 +0000 UTC]

NatGeo at least ended with a warning that feathers out of the boat yet. That "win for Jurassic World fans" is sadly there though...

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Glavenychus In reply to Dontknowwhattodraw94 [2017-06-30 14:03:25 +0000 UTC]

Even the paper said feathers are still plausible, but yet everyone and their mom looked over that anyway. That's journalism for ya...

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