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ooo you should do one with jason maybe
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Well this is definitely impressive...
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Nice work.
Just curious if there has been some development in the DC Universe that would imply that Batman and Robin (Nightwing) have a relationship beyond that of crime fighting. Seems that there has been an up surge in homo-erotic artwork depicting those two lately.
~BoS
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You just upped the blood loss in this community. XD
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You just upped the blood loss in this community. XD
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aaaawwwwwwwwwww a touch of romance above the streets , , very well done
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And don't care about homophobic comments/questions.
People who don't know about Yaoi/Gay art don't need to post.
We are in 2011... and homophobic reactions are not acceptable.
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can i get pregnant from this, or.....
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I enjoy reading everyone's comments XD
By the way, awesome picture! The perspective is so...amazing. ;o;
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I love it! I love it when you do Nightwing-Batman ones!
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my god, this is so gay! good work!
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That's what i'm about to say lol. It's very GAY...haha
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Wow, you are a master of humor LOL.
the homosexualism is so funny xDDDDDDDD
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Very good job ! It's awesome ! And i love this pairing
++ to the original Blue Nightwing !!
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your drawing and color are good. But keep straight characters straight.
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It's called, "Having a different opinion than yours." :3
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It's called "spitting in the writers face". If I write a gay character I want him to stay gay if I write a straight character I want him to stay straight. I think it's disrespectful to muck with other people's characters that way
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Agreed. I just have to shake my head at this 'I don't care if it's disrespectful, I'm gonna do it anyway!' People are arses.
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Finally someone who sympathizes. But I recognize the points of the others on here
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Well, that's like saying "omg I made this character to be with this other character so don't pair them with anyone else you are being disrespectful!" ... well, I am sorry you think that's disrespectful because you are going to suffer a lot then... you know people are going to like other pairings because each person think very differently from others.
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Well while we're at it lets have batman go on a murdering rampage because some fan thinks he should. After all, he's just expressing his opinion.
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Why not? It's fiction based on fiction, no one is going to die from someting that is double the fictional -if that makes sense XD- I am sure there are hundreds of fanfics in which Batman went on a murdering rampage... Some of them may be actually well written and make sense, they may be developed in a way that would make possible for him to do such for some reason... most of the other fanfics with Batman going nuts like that are probably stupid and badly written. And there is people who would think he would look better with a yellow cap, or who think he would be cool as a villian, or who write about him having 10 sons with some random character... what can you do about it? I totally see your point, and I usually stick to the canon because when I become a fan of something it's because I like what the author/studio did with the original/official work, but there is no reason why I shouldn't enjoy good fanworks too and let other fans enjoy their fancrack and stuff.
Yes dear, while there is people who like to stick to the canon, others just seem to enjoy the fandom and cracking the canon (it seems to me like people feel "they are being original" among the fans or something) Of course you can do what you want and continue your crussade but I think you should just deal with it, it's a lost cause wanting every fan to stick to the canon... I am seriously sorry you feel so annoyed because of such a matter, no one is going to die because of that you know X_D
Besides, why should fanboys and fangirls have this kind of arguments all the time? Are you telling me you boys can have your lesbian fantasies with characters that don't even know each other, and the girls can't have their "yaoi"? Hetero guys like boobs, and hetero girls like hot men, it's not so difficult to understand really X_D
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point taken but you have to admit you see way more yaoi fanart than yuri on any given week I find a good 10 new yaoi pics to every 1 yuri especially on DA cuz if guys want girl on girl they just find a porn or hentai site
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Yes totally agreed, too many not-so-good shonen-ai pics make it to the front page as frequently as bad boobs or puppies pics (not yaoi though, because yaoi and yuri aren't permitted on DA )
The girls have always created more fanworks than the guys, there are more girls than boys too, and they usually organize themselves better (I mean they make groups and all of that) so it's really easy finding good and bad "yaoi" pics all around the place (yet again, it isn't yaoi because yaoi is gay porn, literally) And as you said, guys don't need the lovey-dovey kind of teasing or the cuddling etc so they just go to porn or hentai sites because they aren't going to find any porn on DA since it's not permitten... so yeah, even if you are right and I understand it's annoying for you (as annoying as stupidly badly taken puppies or boobs pics are for me, or this-anime-is-popular bad pics on the frontpage) it's still just logical it would be like you said
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Indeed. But you know what I'd really like to see. Instead of making gay pics of old superheros I wanna see people drive to have more cannonly gay superheroes I mean I think there are a few in X-men and Batwoman and the new Question are lesbians but that's all.
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In the end, seeing "gay stuff" in this pic is your thing, as well as the fangirls thing, it's just a rescue scene after all.... oh yeah, I almost forgot that almost anything two men do together is seen as "gay" both by men and women alike -.-; At least, it does look gay for many but not bad or inmoral anymore for the fangirls... And anyway, it doesn't change the fact that people see things differently, and can see beyond you on this matter (I mean, the fans perceive the interaction between Batman and the Robins as a sign of love and sexual testion or something... take into consideration that most girls just seem to NEED to pair every character with someone, and they enjoy it so why not leaving them alone?)
There are quite some homosexual old heroes but due to publishing polices -especially back in their origins- they can't show this kind of stuff...and surpringsily enough, the laws are getting tougher and tougher nowadays, just when you think it would be just normal to have homosexuals around.
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as to your question to why I can't leave them alone, It's cuz I love a good debate. But the robins have and always had been batman's sons, EVERY writer who's written while a robin was on the scene has said so, and he's even addopted Tim Drake. To suggest there was ever something sexual to it is to call bats a pedo, cuz they were all 10-13 when they joined him. And I think we can all agree pedophilia IS immoral no if ands or buts.
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So you mean pedophilia would be ok if the author meant it in the source material, but it's not ok if the fans pair two adult men? XD None of the men in this pic look like 10-13, we aren't even talking about that XD Calling the fangirls pedo when it applies would surely make you feel like you can win the argument because it's a strong point, but it has nothing to do with non-canon gay pairing, it's just another parameter xD And there is no winner in such debates anyway, it's a matter of taste and points of view.
And no, not everyone agree pedophilia is immnoral, especially in fiction works, because it depends a lot on the age gap, if both are teens, etc. and unfortunately the lack of objective points makes difficult to decide if it's really wrong in all cases... take into consideration that there is no natural law saying people should not fuck before they are legal, making people legal at the age of 18/21 whatever is something we humans have created to protect "minors". I would hate to live in the USA in this case. And I am a teacher, so yeah, it's more complex than just calling a 21 years old guy pedo for being with a 20 years old girl. There is people who doesn't care about fictional pedophilia because it's just, well, fictional, they make a very clear difference between reality and fantasy and that's why they can live with the fact that people can -AND WILL- do whatever they want in their fiction and fantasies. Some people like you take everything to a personal level and don't differenciate reality or fiction while talking about morality. However, take into consideration that you are just being very hypocrital -probably without knowing- if you think like that, because I am sure you've watched hundreds of violent films and comics, haven't you? Starting with Batman, in which people do stuff that you juts should not do in real life. So yeah...
See, if you want, you can disagree about absolutely EVERYTHING and still give good points no matter how strongly the other thinks he/she is right. It's a meaningless debate because it isn't going to make the world a worse or a better place at all. The only thing we are discussing here is if the fans should have freedom to enjoy whatever they want or not, and as obvious the answer is, there is still people going againts it and others going all white knight for them. I love good debates too, but debates like this are no good, we are wasting our time because we aren't helping anyone with this, and neither you or I will change our point of view anyway XD And in the end, it's always the same: men are disgusted with the ladies liking two hot men together, but if a woman says she is tired of lesbian porn, thousands of guys are going to tell her how stupid she is because there is nothing wrong with it. Thinking like that has a name...
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To clarify an adult having sex with a thirteen year old is wrong. And fantasy or not An adult with a child is wrong, sorry call me close minded but ew. And violence has it's place in real life I think we'd have less crime if there were a batman out there pounding the snot out of low lifes. No adult should ever be sexually involved with a child for ANY reason. And to your no natural law comment 13 and below and even up to 15 sexual interaction can mess a kid up in the head, there are studies that show it. It causes their sexual relationships in adulthood to be strained and abnormal. And sense you feel that way about debates.. Toodles
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Please don't assume how I think, I am talking about the different opinions many different people would have about it, I am not talking about MY opinion. I am trying to be objective about something that is not objective at all by talking about the different possibilities we have here.
When I say I think SOME debates are quite pointless, I mean there are things I don't think it's worth fighting for. If we were talking about a case of real life pedophilia videos posted on a website, I would fight to the end; if we are talking about the fangirls pairing two fictional characters that are not a canon couple, I have no propblem with that because even if it is not my thing I don't think this kind of pictures hurt anyone at all (especially knowing they both are adults and yet again especially knowing Batman has always been a gay simbol) ; if we are talking about fanboys don't wanting the fangirls to enjoy their fandom, then I care and take the time to discuss it with you because you want to violate the people's basic rights, and at the same time I find I am wasting my time debating the reasons with you -not because I don't think you are good to conversate with, but because I think the world can perfectly move on regardless of my opinion and your opinion on this matter, and the facts aren't going to change anyway-
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he has not always been a gay symbol once upon a time no one thought he was gay.He only became a gay symbol because people decided so. The writers them selves have always stated that his relationship with the robins was to be fatherly not romantic or sexual despite what any number of fans or speculators say.
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Ah well, you know that people will do it nowadays anyway. I mean, look at all the yaoi fandoms!
(besides, I don't think the creators of batman or any other super hero would really care, given the fact that there's probably a million pairings of them already)
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but putting bats with the robins... Gross I mean those are his sons as far as the story is concerned. Every batman writer has said that. I mean he's literally adopted Tim and named Dick as the heir to the bat cave. I mean we could be somewhat realistic and pair him with Clark I mean that's at least likely if bats was gay.
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It's a free country, buddy. There's nothing wrong with being homosexual. If you don't like it, simply click out of it and look at something else.
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Never said I had any thing against homosexuals. I have gay bi and lesbian friends and I love them to death. But when I give a character a sexual orientation I would like to respect that orientation. And I'd imagine most other writerso are that way.
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I'm a writer, and I actually get excited when other people pair my characters with each other/other characters, no matter what gender they pair them with. (Some of these people didn't even receive my permission to do so.)
I'm sure not all writers are that way, but writers need to understand that when they create a character and put them out into the world, people are going to use them for their own purposes. It's part of the creative process.
The thing to remember here is that it's not canon. No matter how many pictures/fanfictions people draw and create, it can never alter the original material. So why get worked up about it? If you don't like it, like I stated before, turn the other way and leave. If it's not your thing, that's fine; no one is going to judge you for feeling the way you do. (Or at least they shouldn't.) But in that same vein, you shouldn't judge others for how THEY feel, or what they like. I understand that your comment wasn't exactly 'judgmental', (as a matter of fact, you complimented them at the beginning,) but it was clearly not respecting the opinions/freedom of others to pair fictional characters together, no matter their sexual orientation.
Furthermore, I'm a firm believer that love knows no gender... That being said, many of these characters who are 'straight' and are paired by fans to be with a character of the same gender are not necessarily being changed into a homosexual, but merely found a romantic connection with someone unexpected.
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I see your point but to your statement that love knows no gender is true. But what you mean by it isn't. I'm sorry but love is not the only factor involved in sex if it was I'd be nailing my best buddy. I could never have sex with a man no matter how deeply and strongly I cared about him. My body and mind have no desire for it, so when the time came nothing would happen. You can make that stuff happen in fiction but in real life loving someone will not make you sexually desire them if you just aren't physically attracted to them.
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Perhaps I wasn't specific enough in my wording.
When I said that I was a firm believer in 'love knows no gender', I was referring to the fact that I believe it is a possible phenomenon, not that every single person applies to it. There is an actual term for this phenomenon, known as 'Pansexuality', where male and female genders literally cease to matter to an individual. I'm fully aware that not everyone is 'bisexual'. As you said, my best friend and I have been incredibly close for 12 years, and sometimes we muse in the fact that we never became lesbians for each other. Even our parents assumed we were a 'couple', but it never happened, and honestly it never crossed our minds. I'm straight to the extreme, but I can understand other sexualities very well.
I would have assumed that you would understand I wasn't implying that every single person is more or less bisexual, but apparently I needed to clarify after all. But nice job dodging the fact that you were being disrespectful to begin with.
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Well if it can't apply to everyone then why state it. And that phrase does imply that everyone is bi if they love the person enough. I mean what you pretty much said in this last post is "some people are bi". Explain to me what exactly is the difference between bisexuality and "pansexuality" is it that the other person was for the most part straight before this one person?
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"Explain to me what exactly is the difference between bisexuality and "pansexuality""
A bisexual is very aware of the gender differences between male and female. For example, a bisexual may prefer men to women, but not be adverse to having relations with a woman. They enjoy both genders differently, in other words. A pansexual, on the other hand, has no concept of gender. They of course realize that men and women are different, but the gender itself has nothing to do with their attraction to an individual. They have no real preference; they are attracted to people solely on their personalities/appearances. To put it simply, they do not discriminate by gender.
"Well if it can't apply to everyone then why state it."
Because the fictional characters depicted in this image and other images like it are not 'everyone'. If I only made comments that applied to 'everyone', I wouldn't say very much. Everyone is different.
If someone likes a fictional character and decides to give them pansexual qualities (or homosexual qualities, which is the usual in this case) then that's their right.
As I've stated before, I myself am an author and a creator of many, many characters and I have no problem with other people drawing art/writing fanfictions of them depicting them as homosexuals. I understand that by creating a character and putting them into the world/internet for others to view, I'm taking the chance that people will like them enough to have a little creative freedom with them. Not every author feels that way, but there's nothing they can do about it.
I'm not quite sure how else to address this statement.
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It's not even a country It's the internet and you can do what ever you wanna here :3
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