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20 frame infinite loop gif... The only excuse that I have for using so many dark colors in this image is that I was listening to political gibber on the TV while I was drawing...Related content
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Dragonforge In reply to ??? [2016-10-22 09:51:16 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!!!... one of my goals is to make a 20 frame gif with enough visual density that by the time you see everything in ti you have forgotten what you saw first...
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Dragonforge In reply to mockingbirdontree [2016-10-21 02:02:25 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!!!... I was able to try some new things with this.... time to try something with a Halloween theme...hmm...pumpkin or skull???...hmm...
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GypsieOtterAnime [2016-10-20 19:10:59 +0000 UTC]
"Picture yourself in a boat on a river
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes"
Way cool!
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Dragonforge In reply to GypsieOtterAnime [2016-10-20 19:37:13 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!!!... I see but barely notice the shifting changes of the reality that flows thru me...I glimpse only a sequence of points of now... in an infinity of the lines and planes of universal possibility...
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GypsieOtterAnime In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-20 19:43:44 +0000 UTC]
cosmic aura's flow through us all and effect our very souls. you're cool!
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Dragonforge In reply to GypsieOtterAnime [2016-10-20 19:57:33 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!!!... We are not designed to understand True Reality... but our capacity to err is infinite... our evolution toward less false understanding is thus erratic but inevitable... We may never Know Truth... but... The Journey IS the Thing...
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GypsieOtterAnime In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-20 20:35:33 +0000 UTC]
the journey is all we have. if we do join the cosmic one, then we may know, or will be so busy we will for get this blip in time.
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Dragonforge In reply to GypsieOtterAnime [2016-10-20 20:44:28 +0000 UTC]
The journey is the thing... our task is to pay attention... at the end of all things everyone gets to show their snapshots...
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ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-20 18:52:42 +0000 UTC]
Ah... A place that is indistinguishable. Is it land, sea or air? Who knows?
The pulsating star in the distance that echoes deep color changing waves.
The pulses that can be seen flowing through the scenery and the far distance mountain (or coral reef).
Excellent piece Dragonforge!!
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-20 18:58:54 +0000 UTC]
Thank you!!!... the most interesting thing about spaces is that they are always filled... with either solids , liquids, gasses or.. ...uncertainty...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-20 19:05:46 +0000 UTC]
The fourth being the most common in our universe.
Quite a thought provoking idea you share.
It makes one ponder for a while before making a coherent answer.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-20 19:40:58 +0000 UTC]
To Be or Not to Be ... is Always the Question...The Black Holes' glow is but half of the answer...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-20 19:43:36 +0000 UTC]
I wouldn't suppose Hamlet would've thought of that.
I wonder what lies within a black hole (lost worlds, new organisms, new form of light-speed travel, etc).
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-20 20:01:39 +0000 UTC]
... oh... everything that was or might be... just waiting for that which is, to move in just the right direction...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-20 20:05:13 +0000 UTC]
Ah...so you suggest a futuristic element might await those who enter.
Interesting.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-20 20:48:29 +0000 UTC]
It is all a potential thing... where Nothing is there is still potential of becoming... where as in the black hole what was has become infinite potential again...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 03:56:50 +0000 UTC]
Do you partake in philosophy on the side?
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 04:25:31 +0000 UTC]
... people throw things at you when you do that... as a people we are not comfortable with questioning what "We Know To Be True"... but so far in my journey to becoming an Old Fart, I have decided that we are not designed to recognize or even see truth... thus, I have concluded that I will never be Right...but if I pay attention my journey may lead me to become less wrong...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 04:37:04 +0000 UTC]
Perhaps...
Though, this journey of yours may very well be never-ending (or infinite).
Embarking in such a journey, how might you know if you are progressing or regressing?
I ask you this in hopes of sparking a new idea into reality.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 06:18:46 +0000 UTC]
... I will try... The Universe as we know it is a closed system... nothing is lost... as far as we can tell what makes the universe is the different expressions of an expanded point of energy...these different expressions make up what we know as time, space, momentum, and matter... the evolution of these forces in our universe have led to the development of stars planets and organic systems...one of which is humanity... as material beings we are designed to function in the material system that we exist in, and our sensory systems have developed to allow us to do so using the least amount of physical resources that we need to survive and propagate... Our Cultural systems are based on what we can collect from our limited sensory systems... Our societies are mostly designed thru trial and error to assist in the survival of the society itself, any benefit to the individual being at most secondary... The success of a society may or may not benefit from having a Truer Understanding of existence... A set of False systems of belief may in some instances survive and prosper when a system that has Less False cultural constricts may fail due to conditions at the time... It seems however, that the Less False the belief systems of a society are, the better chance that the Less False beliefs will survive the group that develops them... We are all on a Journey not just in body but also in mind... We travel in a universe we cannot truly perceive, programed by social systems which set truth and right as those things which strengthen the system... often in direct conflict with observable conditions... one of the ways that a person can count forward progress in the Journey is when we begin to see things we Knew were not there... one thing I have noticed is that what we Know to BE TRUE without thinking about them are mostly things imprinted on us that keep us from seeing more truly... False Knowledge is the basis of humanities' ability to be universally bigoted when dealing with one another... It is very very difficult for us to see our own false knowledge as it is part of the Fabric of the Universe we Know it and not something one even notices much less thinks about..
Pick a Truth any truth... something that just is...something that you never think about or would ever need to... and ask yourself...How do I Know this is True?... follow that thought...you will have an interesting Journey... ... If I knew what I was doing I could be dangerous...or maybe even less false...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 07:05:08 +0000 UTC]
I can relate.
It seems that the longer we live to see another day, the more falsities and lies are uncovered in the world around us.
I suppose this seems obvious, but at an early age (i.e. childhood or early memories) I would have been oblivious to these things.
I'd say there are others who can relate as well (in different contexts perhaps, but nonetheless an underlying principle exists).
What other thoughts did you have on this subject? I feel there is much more to learn.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 09:57:55 +0000 UTC]
... a story... While I was a young soldier in Viet Nam I asked a local what she thought of Ho Chi Min... she said "He number ten thousand!, very bad man!"... I asked her what she thought of the president of South Viet Nam? ... and she said, "Who He? "... It made me very sad...
...It is said that everyone is the hero in their own story... and... do not assign to malice that which can be explained by ignorance... I looked through a order book from a nail manufacturer and was able to determine that with the different sizes, shapes, heads, points and coatings that they could produce over fourteen thousand different kinds of nails...each one the best possible nail for one particular use... but... they will all work as nails fairly well in most uses... How we work our faulty senses and beliefs to view our world around us have many more permutations than nails made by Colorado Fuel and Iron... in all cases there is one set of sensory perceptions and one set of Truths which would work best in that particular case... but a near infinite combination of limited perceptions and False Beliefs that will work...
...I am babbling...Β the simplest thing is not to ask "What is True?"... but ask,"Why do I think this is True?"... the child's question...Why?...still the most important...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 16:17:16 +0000 UTC]
Yes.
Now we get to "why."
The greatest question to ask and yet many children are discouraged from asking it.
At an early age, we are all taught to learn the way of normal child to adult transition.
Sadly, for many of us, the question of asking why becomes "annoying" and "shushed" by those around them.
Teachers, fellow students and even parents will eventually tell their kids to just accept it and leave it be.
This poor principle (over a period of years) becomes ingrained into us and eventually seems like just another part of us.
Perhaps, I'm only lecturing off due to my limited knowledge and narrow scope of perspective on this.
Nonetheless, I still feel this is something to take into consideration when asking the question.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 19:12:03 +0000 UTC]
oh fun!... The obvious question is Why is asking why discouraged by the individual and society?... For the purpose of argument I will state that the basic reason is that they are both "Alive"... (they transform resources, grow and reproduce)... the concepts of Right,Wrong, Good and Bad are concepts used by societies to maintain the societies existence ... often to an individuals' determent... ( risking ones life to save another individual... suicide bombing )... A societies' prime motivation is to promote actions that extend its existence through time and space... any other motivation will tend to end that society... Asking why in any society is an attack on that societies basic Truths ... what is considered good or bad right or wrong... Β and to change a societies basic concepts thru revolution or evolution destroys the original society... Societies will imprint their particular (Truths) on Their individuals from birth... which promotes some concepts and thought processes and blocks others... All people are members of or products of Societies which leave them mostly Mind Blind to thoughts which have the ability to change their societies... But Individuals and Societies do change... from external and internal forces... dramatic climate changes or war can change or diminish the force of a Societies Truths as they are scattered by the survivors of one cultural mind set and absorbed and digested into another...
Β Changes in Cultural Truths can also happen spontaneously... as it is impossible to perfectly imprint the imperfect individual, sometimes people are able to see somewhat beyond societies programing... these cultural outliers are usually diminished or if perceived as too much in conflict with Societal Truths, destroyed...
Β But in all societies there is constant spontaneous leakage of new ideas and observations mostly suppressed but occasionally modifying "slightly" a Cultural Truth...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 19:58:35 +0000 UTC]
The idea of society manipulating and bending it's own truths to survive is in a way disturbing.
True any person who's got a desire to survive will do just about anything to keep them alive.
I suppose the same can be said about the society we are immersed in.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 20:01:20 +0000 UTC]
Think of Society as an organic Program that codes the individual to sustain the Society...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 20:03:20 +0000 UTC]
I wonder what society does to the individual that turns virus?
I've already got a few good ideas (ridicule, exile, in some cases extermination).
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-21 20:16:13 +0000 UTC]
Societies are alive... they export their Cultural Truths to assimilate other societies... depending on the defence mechanisms of the infected society that is exactly what happens...minimization,elimination or absorption and incorporation... ... sometimes the reaction to the contamination from other societies' Cultural Truths ends in Warfare... most warfare is a product of which society gets control of limited resources...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-21 22:58:26 +0000 UTC]
Another struggle for limited resources. I can see that.
It's all for the survival of the fittest society perhaps.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-22 00:54:31 +0000 UTC]
Survival of the Fittest...hmm... but do the fittest survive? ... or the luckiest?... in each case ...why?...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-22 02:25:58 +0000 UTC]
Depends on your definition of fittest.
Fittest in terms of physically is but one facet of fitness.
As for the why, I'm interested to hear your answer.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-22 03:59:50 +0000 UTC]
Fitness can only be defined as the ability of an individual to prosper under the conditions of the moment, and does not transfer to groups or differing conditions...We ourselves for example are not more fit than all of the people who came before us, in the conditions we are in now... our only true advantage is that the conditions of our predecessors existed in at the time eliminated them from the competition... Ancient man was physically more robust and had a larger brain... and most likely would be better fitted to Excel in our modern environment than we are... Evolution is not a development toward the better but a shotgun approach where some changes that strengthen or weaken the system luck out and survive long enough to reproduce...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-22 04:35:50 +0000 UTC]
I've read in recent news that some people believe mankind is undergoing another major step in evolution.
I believe the term they dubbed future humans was: Homo Modernus.
Interesting times we live in.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-22 18:18:27 +0000 UTC]
between the Internet, Nano, Genetics, and Cyber..."The Peoples they are A Changin'..."
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-22 18:59:12 +0000 UTC]
An important piece in this equation is missing. As we continue to evolve, there are other technologies that evolve with us.
From what I can recall, the "position" humans have over the species may very well be threatened in the future.
Perhaps, the next dominant species of the planet isn't organic, but A.I.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-22 23:31:29 +0000 UTC]
One of the fun things about the "Unknown" is that it stays that way till we trip over it...Then we say ..."Well that was so obvious!...Why didn't we see it earlier?"...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-22 23:38:32 +0000 UTC]
By "trip over it," do you mean that in a figurative speech or perhaps something a bit more complex?
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-22 23:47:26 +0000 UTC]
...Yes... and the people who ask"Why" or "What if" are most likely to trip, bump into or recognize the Unknown that is hidden behind our knowing of Truth as we have been programed to see it... examples: Why do we have Velcro? and How did Tesla create our modern world?...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-22 23:56:08 +0000 UTC]
It leads to new discoverers and discoveries.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 00:09:55 +0000 UTC]
Human history would indicate that Mankind tends to keep poking into the Unknown... chasing the ripples of Entropy perhaps...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-23 00:29:53 +0000 UTC]
Why do believe that is though?
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 14:34:04 +0000 UTC]
Part of the reason is Human Conflict ...the glorifying of bravery and boldness...and the fact that the winners of conflict are the ones that wright the Histories...
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 02:36:36 +0000 UTC]
A group of Monkeys and a group of People came upon a giant snake... Both groups had brave and curious members and one of the Monkeys and one of the People moved forward to investigate... The Monkey was quickest to reach the snake and soon began playing at tormenting the snake ...the Monkey would run up to the snake poke it with its finger and then run away...the Monkey did this several times with much excited chatter from the monkeys and admiring murmurs from the human group...The fourth time the Monkey charged the snake the snake struck...the snake quickly wrapped the Monkey in its coils and squished it dead and than swallowed it head first...The Monkeys Β screeched Β in alarm and clustered on a far branch...the Leader of the People said..." See Children, that is why you don't poke a Hungry Snake!."..." Now collect sticks and stones, today we eat roasted Monkey and Snake"... and the People said..."Yes Mom!"...and rushed to their tasks
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-23 03:18:01 +0000 UTC]
Interesting story!
I do wonder though what represents the Hungry Snake in our world?
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 03:20:32 +0000 UTC]
Our world...and everything beyond...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-23 03:26:15 +0000 UTC]
That's a big snake.
Though, the monkeys teased the snakes while the humans cooked them both.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 05:21:27 +0000 UTC]
...and the snake keeps growing and getting hungrier... and we may run out of Monkeys...
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ry10voetrogho11 In reply to Dragonforge [2016-10-23 05:27:58 +0000 UTC]
It sounds like the Universe.
Ever expanding and growing outward.
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Dragonforge In reply to ry10voetrogho11 [2016-10-23 07:29:43 +0000 UTC]
Oh yes... A Universe that swallows its own tail... and us... so that everything may start again from the inside out...
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