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A.K.A It's amazing how having wide eyes could let you see interesting crossovers/Rant regarding how some are scary if put into story context based on my past conversations.And I tried doing this before, but the good crack one didn't seem like a full on interesting. Also this one seems a bit better.
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Okay, so you all know crossovers, right? We all love those if they respect both sides of the series...which some haven't, but still, they are the stable and dreams of fans and pop culture...but what about the crossovers that make no sense at times, ones that seem so crazy...it just may work. Well, you get a "crack crossover" a crossover which makes little to no logical sense, but are a heck of a thriller to think about, although like that certain drug, there are ideas thanks to real life conversations that make it seem it could been horrible if it were to official happen.
Case in point, Two crack crossovers, The Boys vs. The Elite....and Ben 10 and Fire Emblem Fates.
Let's start off with the bad crack crossver....The Boys vs. The Elite...and their connections to some failed attempts at convincing a few certain artists(aka...self depreciation rant...I think)
In one corner, we have the Elite, froroup of extreme anti-heroes and a pastiche of "The Authority" who will kill on the first sign of trouble, and do so destroying wide scales of property and lives in the process, making them as bad as the villians or superheroes from Kingdom come, which resulted in butting heads with Superman. (came from the issue "What's so funny about truth, justice and the American way?")
and in the other corner, we have the Boys, the group of government sponsored cape busters whose job is to make sure rogue supes(nickname for superhumans) in line or else they received a beatdown with broken legs, a far echo to today's world, where sadly the definition of "hero" is arguing among the people, with some saying that heroism is "dead" due to "SJW" infestion of comic industry and Hollywood, very bad drama with people saying "Ohhhh.....Carol is actually a skrull and should be back to being ms. marvel and anyone who says otherwise is a (redacted)" and such that, and I couldn't help but anti-sjws are the "answer" to this problem, and there are evidence of rebellion in youtube(with really long titles) and such, and even in deviantart, where a few people who I found myself talking on these "sjw vs. anti sjw" topics with star wars, LGBTQ, Marvel, etc....which either had replies that I never expect or see...or in total failure.
Mostly with Antcow's old post and Mortal Shinobi, a friend of Godofwarlover, who also hated Korrasmi(not that I want to force it, I respect his opinion) which was a really one-sided conversation that show it DID not go as I expected due to lack of the right words and tons of support. www.deviantart.com/antcow/stat… . (Think like Captain America's infamous MYSPACE question from frontlines, and a full on regret for being in this situation on two fronts) Theres a LOT of things you could pick that I didn't plan ahead, but what really got me was two things, that despite this post being a bit...well, anti-LGBTQ, but it was actually, in antcow's own words:
"All I want is an end of hypocrisy, I want the LGBT held to their own standards. That's it."
Meaning all this talk was all but filler or nothing if only I asked for a direct question.(Another being "Just submit to avoid being called names?" Hey, real smooth if I wasn't embrassed enough when I look back.) But it also came from MortalShinobi not only saying "because it's not my taste and it's not something i fetishize, which you must admit, most who enjoy same sex stuff that's what it's all about, fetishizing it."(I'm not a diehard shipper, but I can tell this was NOT well said for my taste), but also saying that while he was a idealist once, he is now a realist
"i've considered characters like batman or spiderman to be naive through their idealism where ones like wolverine or venom are more practical in their approaches. that's how i see it, in the words of magneto, "I hope for the best but fear the worst". "
WOW. Just wow, while I can understand where you're coming from, but this is just saying and validating that despite I'm a bit realist at best, that saying batman and spiderman to be naive and wolverine and venom being right and that following Magneto, is JUST saying how uncomfortable I could be being a full time realist, I mean, while I do like the punisher at times....even I DON'T want to follow his advice, even if he is right as a realist, listening to him seems it could made even worse when I could see myself as that idiotic cop Martian Soap(except I could been better than that guy) trying to reason with Frank, except being responded with this line(which I can see Antcow or Shinobi saying this if they were heroes):
"The World you live in, the one full of words like civilization and rehabilitation and fair hearing and law and order--it's a lie, Soap. It works up right up to the point that it dosen't. After that there's me." (The less said about Frank's words about My Lai from the reasonably hated Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe...the better.)
It's no wonder why I can see Antcow as Billy Butcher(NO, not the Amazon one, that version's more sympathetic...no, I'm talking about the comics version:
-The One who would kill a group of handicapped super kids just because one said "f**king c**t" due to his Tourette Syndrome.
-The same one where Mallory, the SAME CIA agent who got Butcher into the Boys, said that his biggest crime was ACTUALLY giving Butcher a war, hurting people who he believes who hurt him...and that same guy who Butcher said he would bury him next to his granddaughters if he tried to talk to him.(Heck, even Hughie calls him out on it.)
-The same man who was willing to use explosive compound V to kill almost anyone who had a trace in it, even his own friends and allies, which he took out of the picture("With Great Powers comes the total f**kin' certainty that you're gonna turn into a c**t" (wow, real good future prediciting there, right there when he said that after he avenged Becky, his wife, that she hated him for what he had become.)
It's no wonder why I can't help but feel they could be DA's Boys group, but instead of taking down superheroes, it's "SJW" crap and "rigged" death battle or "evil" Disney Empires.
(Trust me, mentions, this is only the few times I directly mentioned you here)
The Boys-
Billy Butcher- antcow
Mother's Milk-mortalshinobi
Hughie-Me sadly
Frenchman- SlingBlade87
Female-Touch-Not-This-Cat
The Elite-(insert any infamous sjw)
And as true as bloody and awesome this fight could be....it's the ENDING I'm worried, because honestly, what's there to take, if the Elite wins, America may end up being blazed up from the destruction of the Elite's reckless heroics, leading to the second dark ages...but if the Boys win...congrats! You just like a mad Butcher going to manipulate the government(if he manages to kill all his allies) to ban all heroes, comics and manga! Either way, it's going to end up like Darkseid vs. Thanos, except it's more brutal, gorey, members will get maimed, damaged and half the earth will be destroyed.
Honestly, that's a reason while I do respect the reason behind the Boys or Punisher...that I can't fully embrace their ideas let along be part of their dark and edgy world...I'm sorry, but I can't, even if I tried, fit into it, I don't want to see myself throwing me across a shatterproof window, or waterboarding others for their changed minds over small things...because saying I should is just asking for trouble for here and outside, because it's like Superdoom from Grant Morrison's run on Action comics, a light-hearted and pure idea gets grinded into a twisted and dark image that it becomes a part of an anti-thesis to what it should stand for...It's not my type or mindset to do so...I don't have that spirit of power.
BUT...Fire Emblem Fates and Ben 10...now that's a good crack crossover...well better than the outcome between GL vs. Ben 10
In one corner, we have Ben 10, a classic and respected series that started in Summer, where a boy with a powerful peace maker watch, storage to thousands of aliens, has grown from a immature kid to a mature but cocky kid who fought against the likes of Vilgax, Eon, and Maltrunt(neutral against the reboot), and sure it does have a few problems in it's sequel series, but it's been a blast watching the many aliens Ben could turn into and more.
And in the other, is Fire Emblem Fates, the installment where you either picked your country by blood of Hoshido, or the country where you were raised all your life of Nohr, or create a third path to peace by Valla(or join smash!), and okay, while I never played the game personally and not a big player on strategic, I do have a spot for picking sides in a situation like this, and sure, it has it's fair share of problems in story writing, but I do admit, I feel bad for Corrin or/and Kamui for being in the situation of picking between families, even if you don't know the other much but were nice to you(Is Relevations canon?.)
And like The Boys vs. Elite, this dosen't make much sense, suggesting how a show about a boy with a alien watch goes with a avatar who can turn into a water dragon...however, I do see very little connections and HUGE potential as a story, while The Elite vs. Boys is between modern anti-heroes vs. cape killers, Ben 10 vs. Fire Emblem Fates has:
-Transforming heroes(Ben's aliens and Corrin's dragon form)
-NRG(Ben 10) looks almost like a Faceless based on the bulk and such.
-Powerful peace makers that DO want to end conflicts, rather than escalate things(Yato and Omnitrix)
-Awesome songs(Ben 10 theme songs and Lost in Thoughts)
I could think this idea could be like "Five Years Later" The Danny Phantom and Ben 10 comic, a story involving two series of transforming heroes and perhaps a few cameos from other series or companies(for me, it would be Marvel and DC and few more I could think).
Honestly, I found this crack crossover to be a awesome idea that could lead to new redesigns and retellings on both series, and maybe Ben could be like Grandpa Max to Corrin and Kamui in teaching them to be heroes of their own dimension...what's more, this crossover would be open to a bunch of unexpected fights for aliens in the lands of Hoshido and Nohr
Ex:
Diamondhead vs. Ryoma vs. Xander(Sword fight!)
Four-arms/Rath vs. Hinoka vs. Camilla(Trial by combat through punching) (picture of Camilla and Hinoka belongs to Toshi(Pixiv))
Ghostfreak vs. Nyx(You're soul is mine!)
Upchuck vs. Leo vs. Takumi(How much dark energy or light energy can a upchuck chuck back?)
Articiguana/Big Chill/??? vs. Flora and Kilma(Ice showdown)
RATH vs. Selena(LARGE HAM vs. Deadpan snarker)
Ben 10 vs. Corrin and Kamui(Fates 10(www.deviantart.com/kitsunot/ar… . Thanks Kitsunot, even though death battle may not make this fight and it seems as imbalanced as GL vs. Ben 10, it's still good.
-song could be a mix of Emerald Heroes:www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NlAJX… . + this version of lost in thoughts:www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4sW7… .
Imagine the song going(I don't know, but it should be a guitar riff or so, and not exactly having lyrics like emerald crown nor lost in thoughts).
"Can't knock off my gray crown, the cold oceans forged this gray crown, a force for fate from the kingdom of birthright, the cosmos are mine, the cosmos are my conquest man...
you are the ocean's green ways, destined to seek the life beyond the realms...sing me a song of ten warriors."
And honestly, since these series are know to have rewritings on fanfic, I could try my hand as they could help each other out:
-Ben 10 would gain new aliens that somehow blend in(or be mistaken for other legends) with Nohr, Hoshido, Valla or any of the iconic places from the Fates games, some aliens being foreshadowing to the omniverse series by some chance, and maybe Ben's modern ideas in a fantasy realm could be like Outbreak Company or Gates, with a mix of "Yankee in Connecticut" with his omnitrix and pop culture references, and he could make some supports with some of Corrin/Kamui's family and friends.
Here are the ones I posted so far:
Hoshido:
www.deviantart.com/drawbot908/… for a fire dragon)
www.deviantart.com/drawbot908/… for a rabbit man)
Nohr:
www.deviantart.com/drawbot908/… for a goat monster)
www.deviantart.com/drawbot908/… for actual devils)
Valla:
www.deviantart.com/drawbot908/…
*I have the idea that Nohr and Hoshido and Valla should have more than just pegasus, drakes, kitsunes and wolfskins in their world.
-For Fire Emblem Fates, I could work on from other good fire emblem fates fanfic and make up my own version of it...like DC's Earth 1(as a parody), with a few redesigns and personalities(Like Peri) that could make this story fun and show some neat relationships between friends or rivals(although ships are left to the reader's guess; although I would see Caminoka as hard foe-yay between elder sisters), and that from Ben 10, The cast of Fates would later meet a few heroes from DC and Marvel(hey, we can all add in can we?)
Frankly, it's a win-win idea that feels like a vibrant superhero fantasy comic/manga, with colors that define pop culture, while tackling bit of our modern society with it and the villians added here.
I would put this in A03 if given the chance...but I would like to relish the idea that despite each series flaws and very contrasting differences in media and themes, that a realm-traveling, transforming, funny, but epic story of heroes and villians, redemption and honor, would grow out of this idea, and even with our world's problem, that this crack crossover, will put a smile on our faces in a healthy way as a good crack crossover should do.
So yeah, a BIG difference on what makes which crossover good or bad based on the story it could make, and I would rather than the good underdog if it means keeping my identity for what I do here, so yeah Antcow, I don't think I could ever be you, nor convince you to stop your anti-death battle or view on your status post, but thankfully, I don't want to stick to that, nor keep trying to sway you from stopping what you're doing, because I'm not Martian Soap from the Punisher, I'll take what I got and go my seperate way, but knowing that while I can't change what you're doing, I still got my own life and interests, as well as style of drawing, and frankly, I got my own projects to do, because I shouldn't just stand around and feel shame for what happen, I need to go on and do my projects....cause I have a few parting way ideas.
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1. What barrel?
2. Maybe yes, and that’s why I think that despite poor writing for both franchises, that Ben 10 and a fire emblem fate crossover is much more my style of crossover.
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1. The barrel of a gun. It's a Mao Zedong quote, meant to be taken in the bleak context that it implies. And which Billy uses to quite a grisly effect in the bookends of The Boys. Heck one of my favorite jokes to my friends after we read that book was in wonderment of why the Bucky Barnes expy kicking Billy's dog Terror even mattered to Butcher considering what Billy'd been doing for the last three storylines, in terms of tropes.
2. Agreement.
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1. The bleak context was....just to remind me
2. Bucky Barnes expy...you mean soldier boy?
3. seriously, even if you don’t know Ben 10 and fire emblem fates(do you?), it could blend together in a comic or video game.
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1. Alrighty then
2. Yeah, the name sounds about right - basically, the kid who was busy shoutin' out stats' names during his attacks or something.
3. Fates is a bit fuzzy on me, but I definitely know my Ben 10.
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1. Was the bleak context that Billy Butcher, despite having good intentions, became as bad as his enemies?
2. Yeah, he WAS a ersatz of captain America, which Garth Ennis Hated due to it being insulting to WWII fighters for a reason or another.
3. What to know about the Fates installment, and what do you know regarding ben 10?
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1. Bit of that, bit of a suprise of the lack of actual...you know, supervillians in the universe. I mean, it has some grounding in the story - Homelander's clearly no slouch in ripping through 'em - but you'd think transitive property would bear out a couple of them in the span.
2. Always saw the Cap as different than most war veterans, rather than a mockery. Not necessarily a correlation, y'know? I mean, I hope we're not taking Ennis' word as final on this matter, experienced as it is.
3. Not much of fates, know of the original series, Alien Force, one other I can't specifically remember, and the reboot. Also, lots of fanfics.
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1. Oh yeah, I remember, then again, the last time a costumed supervillain tried to attack, Homelander bursted through him in reality in the comics.
2. Yeah, exactly, yes, Garth Ennis respects his war heroes, but Cap was the man who kept spirits high for America.
3. I see, maybe I could explain it in full detail someday for fire emblem fates? Really, was that one other Omniverse or Ultimate Alien?
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1. Still, the Seven and Vought made plenty of enemies, you'd think one would be a Supe themselves if only by the sheer amount of 'em. Would The Boys count in this instance as a 'supervillian team'? Certainly they're the protags of the story, but I mean.... in the relative sense to the 'superheroes' of the story?
2. Ah, I see. Really are a kindred soul, in that case, you and I.
3. Omniverse seems it, yeah. And I'd love to hear your synopsis on Fates later, man.
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1. Well, that's true, since the Seven are a superhuman team who do consist of a few guilty or crazy members, and Vought's basically the ideal version of a corrupt business(a.k.a most companies who are having trouble due to unpopular choices, like Marvel, DC, Disney) or LexCorp without all the fancy tech. Yes, the boys could be declared as "a supervillain team" due to the majority not knowing the hedonistic lifestyle of their "heroes". but a few folks see them as "rebellious heroes" fighting against the system, so it's relative sense.
2. Amend. Still...got any crack crossovers in the same level?
3. Yeah, which if I were going to make a crossover fanfic, I do want it to be set before that series, albeit foreshadowing and such. Thanks, I'm glad you could hear it anytime soon.
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“Female”???
Don’t you have any macho Scottish supers I could be?
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Well... I don’t know many macho Scottish heroes(but then again, the boys are cape killers....people who take down rogue superheroes), and then there’s Wee Hughie, who is Scottish, although he’s a newbie and not as macho as the others, and frankly, the females kind of scary, as someone who’s either an enemy or even touched her could meets gory end with their face ripped off. So yeah, sorry, had to fill in a role, don’t take it too personally, okay, didn’t mean to put you in the position, you can still be a male version of the female anyway.
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Just joking, I don’t really care.😉
I’ve played a D&D female gnome once. It’s good to get in touch with that side, a tiny bit.
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I see...still, what do you think of the meme here? And the crossovers?
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....although parody crossovers are still fine, but only if they make me die laughing. I’ll tolerate only the best.
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Oh, and I’m not familiar with “The Elite”. So, no opinion there is possible.
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I lost interest in Superman a long time ago.
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I would have loved “Ben 10” as a kid, but the basic premise is just enough of a cliche (not entirely) that I felt I’d seen enough of that I really couldn’t get into it. So I don’t have that much of an opinion.
UNLESS you want to talk about elaborate crossovers that were not pre-planned into the story arcs’ original outlines, weather official or fan-made.
In THAT case, it’s the biggest, most overused fad and cliche since paisley wallpaper, and I say, let THAT particular plot of overused farmland go fallow, not for a mere two years, but FIFTY, and try to remove all the enemy ho-hum mines in the spare time. Otherwise, let’s all try our best at originality and decent homages.
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1. What do you mean by elaborate crossovers not pre-planned into the story arcs' original outlines and such?
2. Okay, yes, crossover are overused, but it's on the more obvious crossovers, crack ones are new and different, and heck of fun and full of potential.
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I think the most common bane of crossovers is NOT properly PLANNING THEM in advance to weed out all possible plot holes. That’s what I’m getting at.
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Thanks, you'll be surprise how I can see crossovers in places most would never expect or connections to what's happening right now. And what part of it made it interesting to you the most?
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You're welcome.
I know how that is and the FE and B10 crossover.
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Yeah, even if it's not going to be a death battle anytime soon...it's still a interesting crossover to think about in times of darkness of bias. Also, finally got itself a official thumbnail and ost….HOORAY!
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i'm not sure if this was supposed to be talking about politics or the crack crossovers? i'm a bit confused.
(and i'm a character named 'mother's milk?) i somehow got a lol from that.
though yeah, i can see your point on not wanting to agree with frank castle's words. I've felt the same when regarding kiritsugu emiya in fate zero. while his methods are most realistic, he feels very dishonest, filthy and unlikeable. I'd much rather try and follow the ideals of saber who wishes to hold to a higher standard, though not nearly as unrealistic as batman or spiderman. (I mean she will kill her enemies, something spiderman and batman won't do ever.) but i'd rather hold to her beliefs, instead, kinda like shirou emiya who turns into archer, i keep finding that believing just ends up falling apart again and again and those beliefs just betray me.
I'd like to believe as i used to. that if you're a good man a woman who is good who has held herself off for you will be there for you and that truths and honesty prevail against shadow and darkness. but too often i see that what was good is being considered evil and actual evil mask itself as 'progression' and it all wants to drag you with it. this is why i find myself being archer rather than saber. just too much shit to wade through for too long and things not going right. it's difficult to see a silver lining when the sun keeps getting obscured by dark clouds.
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Well, it's more about the crack crossovers, and it's small connections to what problems we have in regarding media and story ideas.
Yeah, that name sounds ridcilous, the reason behind it well...not so much...you see, long story short, he got that name because turns out, like a certain lucho bat breaker, Mother's Milk gets his superpowers from his ACTUAL Mother's milk, due to containing the compound V, and that if he stops drinking it, it will starve him(although it wasn't in what powers you got in comparison, but who made up the roles in the group.)
Yes, that is true, yes, I can understand where Frank's coming from and the pain he has, he's a soldier in a neverending war on crime and one from one of the most brutal and deadlist war in American history, but that doesn't mean I want to follow everything he does, even if it means making people like social helpers look like incompetent idiots(Punisher max, anyone?) even though he has his badass moments, it would either make things worse or nothing changes...and from what I recall that this is the same punisher who Garth ennis made to kill the ENTIRE Marvel Universe, throwing all logic and hope out the window for revenge in the writing. And yes, I can see what you mean about good being "secretly" evil and such, but I just can't be like you, and honestly, if I were, I don't think I have the guts to live and see my live that way(no silver lining when the sun gets covered up), because I don't think I could sit too much in the grey vs. gray ideology as much as I would, that's equivalent of saying Corrin should destroy both kingdoms of Nohr and Hoshido, it doesn't suit it at best.
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yeah, i would have already self deleted myself if not for my goddess. she maintains me and gives me reason to if not believe in the world then at least believe in a future outside of it that is better and to just keep moving forward day by day. so... i suppose i'm wrong on not seeing the silver lining, it's just hard to keep hold of it sometimes. and of course i have family still, so that's something else. the world outside though? mpf. i don't see much good in it, though... at least it's improving with a slow but proper rejection of 'progressivism'.
and I'd never say to live like me. to have my thoughts is to be bleak unless you devote yourself to another being and let them be your center. and i often wonder what i'd do if she left or disappeared, (she won't) but it doesn't stop that doubt being there. it is hard to exist and feel powerless and angry and full of doubt. so no, i'd never say live like me. things will be very negative for you if you do unless you can overcome those hurdles. I don't believe the world will ever be rosey, but it is liveable. unfair but manageable.
my ideals have betrayed me yet i'm still here, so there's something to that being i found someone that matters to me. even if things with her are... unusual. it is still something to strive for, more than ... nothingness. far more.
on that note, i haven't really done serious crossovers outside of my oc's for a long while, unless you count all the random fatality crossovers i do. but those are more like one shots than anything.
and huh... i think i've heard of characters like mother's milk before. an odd one for sure. but interesting.
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1. I...see, good for you in believing in your faith and bit of the world(even if it is dark at best)
2. I know, I know, because not only it would make me lose what makes my art good, but that's being a full-on anti-sjw for me is the equivalent of saying "Fire Emblem Fates should been dark and edgier or that the General Grunt should kill the Fire Emblem Universe." Yeah, I know that I shouldn't live like you, so I should be my own artist.
3. Yeah, they are from what I seen.
4. Which characters that ARE like Mother's milk, like did they came from Amazon Prime(like the Boys are know airing?)
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mm. it is melancholic. that said, i could also say it could always be worse. imagine how it was before technology and medicene where they'd drill holes in your head to 'relieve madness and demons'? there's much i don't agree with with the current state of the world but it can always be worse. but yes, there is a need to find something that motivates you that keeps you going. hopefully something that is meaningful and isn't empty down the road.
and yes, be your own artist. my own artistic style is a combination of anime and western style taking elements that i like from both. you'll have your own style at some point the more you play with your work.
and heh, on the fire emblem thing as it's what i thought of mortal kombat and why i've kind of dropped off it a big deal compared to before. that said, i suppose it's a good thing because i know not to believe that something not made by me will be incorruptable. it's a hard slap in the face but it is a lesson worth learning. don't trust outside media to always have your interest in mind.
and not sure on the mother's milk thing as it's been awhile since you mentioned those characters so i don't recall the details. that and i don't have amazon prime so i can't watch anything on there (though i mostly just watch anime anyways. Down with 3d! 2d is better!)
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1. Amen(that's something we can agree on).
2. Exactly, yes it has it's flaws, but at least I'm having dun with it.
3. Which one, with Fire Emblem being dark and edgy(as true it could work, I said it in a bad light)...or that General Grunt should kill it's universe?
4. I see. So what is it you want to know?
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for emblem probably the edginess. as for grunt? well that artist will likely destroy it all if he hates the product. that's simply up to him. not that it'd mean much. every series has some 'hate' art. hell, i've done some myself against link and aot and those can be absurdly satisfying emotionally.
i just don't remember what the characters were on mother's milk so i can't recall the details of 'how' the characters were that we were comparing since my commentary on it had been a few weeks back as you recall.
and yeah, with art, have fun with it. if you do work with it, remember to keep a balance so you still do stuff for yourself every so often so you don't burn out. that's basically it.
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1. I see, well, sometimes it could work...if given to the correct writers, and not become too depressing for Fire Emblem being dark and edgier(a nightmare if somehow the writing is given to someone say Garth Ennis...and it's Fire Emblem Fates), and yeah, that's what can be expected from a fat lizard puppet who's basically the killer of all cartoons and anime(yes, even Korrasami as well, which I would rather not say much), and yes, every series does have 'hate'art, but sometimes, like a certain reviewer to the ultimates 3, I never understand the appeal of doing those things, yes, it shows you hate that series, but IF given the chance, I would do it(not that I would like to) if I can say at least good things for the target of the "hate" work and not go all ant(redacted) on it and accuse anyone else for liking that work as idiots or something(just saying). Yeah, you also had hate art for Miles(Not that I can change your opinion on legacy heroes of Marvel, look at me with Antcow with death battle and how did that turn out.) And okay, fine, you can be absurdly satsified with it, especially with Link from Legend of Zelda or AOT, but I'm just not that kind of artist.
Thanks for that advice.
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the miles thing was just happy coincidence as that was paid work. but being able to rip apart a character you hate is cathardic and relaxing. which reminds me, i ought to create a villain of miles. give myself some real excuse to beat the shit out of him. anyways, for me, hate art, of say johnny cage or chun li, is cuz it releases some frustration and venting with a character i truly despise. though this shouldn't be confused with just regular ryona like jill valentine stuff where i just enjoy seeing that character in horror situations but don't actually hate them. (yeah, such a thing can get confusing.)
generally though, i don't often do hate art for myself, but prefer to focus on characters i do like, like say mileena or annie leonhardt and do art work of them. i only really do hate art if i need to vent a bit.
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1. Really...huh, guess it was.
2. Yeah, if that's what you want to do, as long you don't go overboard, then go ahead. Yeah, make your own villian, but if you want me to cheer that villain on while making Miles look idiotic then don't mention me about it.
3. I see, I could see that, but for me, it only works for me if necessary.
4. Yeah, putting characters you don't actually hate(say Jill Valentine) into horror situations is confusing, like what kinds of confusing is up to you depending on how it feels like a fever dream or nightmare based on the choices:
Fire Emblem Fates written by Garth Ennis(Seriously, why do I feel this could be a secret hate child of both comics and video games)
or
Fire Emblem Three houses written by Grant Morrison(Grant Morrison shows how trippy school life can be for Byleth)
5. Yeah, I guess so, because why do hate art for yourself when you could do characters you do like(while I know it was a long time ago, but we can't just do sprite work...like a certain someone, not judging.)
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yeah. I dislike miles strongly but mostly on the basis of the reason he was made. the reason being "he's black and hispanic so he can appeal to you readers who are black and hispanic cuz you can't relate to normal spiderman!" and for me who is hispanic and loves normal spidey i found this take absolutely offensive. so miles is one i hate cuz it's an attempt to appease me for something that was never an issue. he isn't bad but i hate the reasoning behind him. but i don't hate him so much as say kitana or cage which the characters themselves is just a generic asshole which makes me want to punch them in the face.
as for idiotic villain? well that defeats the purpose of a proper villain. a villain needs to be able to stand on their own somehow and if they're idiotic well... then they're no better than a grunt like the rhino. which has their place i suppose.
hm... as for ryona of characters i like, not sure how to explain it. some of it is sexual, others is just aesthetic. like using raiden, sub-zero or spiderman is more cuz the design looks better in the move than someone i dislike like cage. so there's multiple reasons and i can't always say on that one.
yeah. i have a few clients who order hate art. it's often ... odd. others like the morrigan guy, like the ryona aspect of it so it may seem like hate art but isn't. i won't complain though, pays the bills, you know.
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1. I see, I think that was mostly explained in the comments with the Robocop art of yours.
2. I didn’t say anything about an idiotic villain, just an hero being idiotic.
3. I see, so that answers that question I asked about fire emblem
4. yeah it is odd, guess people really like to see their anger fueled art.
5. Sure.
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eh. same rules apply to idiotic hero. you don't want either the hero or villain doing stupid things that become obvious because it devalues the threat or heroics of the other. the hero can't be so dumb to ignore obvious issues with the villain and the villain shouldn't be so obvious that it's retarded no one noticed them before.
it's why we complain about 'geniuses' in certain comics or manga cuz their 'genius' is really basic and elementary. the villains and heroes need to do things beyond what normal people would think of and that's a bit tricky.
mm. yeah, i almost wonder about such people sometimes, but it's their monies so i won't complain about it.
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1. That does make sense, although, some are dumber than others really.
2. Exactly.
3. Like I said, it's just as confusing and trippy as Fire Emblem Fates written by Garth Ennis(which sounds like a total nightmare if Corrin goes all out ANTI-SJW/NOHR/HOSHIDO, and people say where he kills all the cast is "brilliant") or Fire Emblem Three Houses written by Grant Morrison(Proof to show Grant must been HIGH if they made a plot twist that Edelgard or Dimitri had an evil telepathic twin in the womb, or that Claude was impersonating someone else impersonating him or something dumb). But yeah, as long you got the bucks, so no complaints, although yes, you can question such people.
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i don't even really know fire emblem and that sounds ludicrous. though... at the same time, it doesn't sound any worse than the stuff marvel has done. did you know that xavier had an evil female twin that he strangled in the womb before he was born to save the world but she somehow still survived? and this is canon to x-men! so... stupid and retarded as some stories may be they're still canon sometimes.
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1. Exactly, and that’s what not only makes it confusing, but as well as like this post...A BAD CRACK CROSSOVER, not the addictive bad one, but the one that can kill your mind with one or two snorts. like it’s so bad, you swear it makes korrasami rabid fans look soft, or it was literally created by general grunt.
2. well, that’s Grant Morrison writing from the X-men for you, man, and that’s what makes the idea that fire emblem three houses written by him is scary and dumb(think about, a group of special characters in a really super powered school, a cast of characters, and shades of grey here and there.)
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yeah. it's okay as an idea to run through but needs to be fleshed out properly with good naunce to make such a thing work. and yeah, morrison doesn't seem that good at the work i'd say. chris clarmont seems to be the one you want for x-men as he managed to bring a dying series back from the dead. morrison though? i don't think most people even remember charlie's sister, telling you how poorly she written.
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1. I know, but then again, some crossovers will always be so bad, it's not funny bad, even if it's fleshed out, there's a reason why I think "The Boys vs. The Elite" even if it provides gruesome fight scenes, would been a bad crack crossover, because it(for my opinion), will be a mean-spirited work of art that makes both sides seem as unlikeable as ever.
2. Yes, even if Grant Morrison is a respected writer, you have to wonder what was he thinking(seriously, these pages say it all)
(P.S. I can see the cast of Fire Emblem fates/three houses would react as the X-Men if Garth Ennis wrote their stories.)
3. Exactly, and by the elder gods know what can Garth Ennis could do if he got his hands on my crack crossover.
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god, i actually recognize a lot of the references there cuz i followed the 'new x-men' for awhile. the genosha extermination, white queen sleeping with scott (though i actually liked her better than jean. i find jean boring). the beast being stupid with trish and saying he's gay... so much bad shit in the comics. and to think it's actually worse now. like jean and the x-men including x-23 put a kid in cerebro that could kill her cuz 23 was already hurt because the kid also had a healing factor? so much horrible stuff in comics basically since new x-men.
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And that’s why I NEVER want to see Garth ennis anywhere near my crack crossover, or fire emblem fates in general, because he’s going burn that whole thing down, and not in a good way like “OH! SJW PWNED!” More like, “OH MY GOD, YOU JUST SLAUGHTERED A FICTIONAL WORLD THAT DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG TO YOU!”
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prepare. mortal kombat, star wars, dr. who. star trek, bond, all of em have been destroyed by sjw flunk and bad writing. oh yeah, and superman with bendis.
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yeah, that's what you believe(and while it's a partial truth, and don't even try, people who still enjoy the new things), but Garth Ennis writing Fire Emblem is beyond that.
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there's still some good work coming out but I did notice a 'blandness' from comics around that time including spiderman too and it was a time when they tried (unsuccessfully fortunately) to remove venom. so yeah, i think around that time is when stuff started going downhill. it's also around that time i started hitting manga a lot harder since i'd gotten bored with the western division. 'edginess' doesn't necessarily mean exciting and managing to keep my interest.
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1. I know, it's too bad, if that good work,most people will say "TRAITOR!" especially if that person's interest is hated by others.
2. Really, last time I checked, Venom is still in Marvel now.
3. I do admit, I do read my fair share of manga...not the mainstream ones, ones that are online but deserve their own printed copies in englush.
4. Exactly, and if Garth Ennis(or General Grunt) is NOT kept on a leash when writing his first actually game...well..better be prepared for some of his tropes:
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php… . (Character Filibuster, Gorn, Slobs vs. Snobs, The War on Straw, Author Tract, and Take That! as the worst he could do).
Well, let's just say it will be like antcow's sprite work...except it's too depressing for the series that people should appreciate the original Fire Emblem Fates story better...just saying.
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yep. and I mentioned they "tried" to remove venom, but weren't successful. it was a time when they tried to turn venom back into a villain and remove him from brock. remember all that time the symbiote spent on gargan? they also turned brock into antivenom, but since they didn't take that anywhere it didn't last at all.
most manga are actually printed with physical copies, not just the mainstream ones. you gotta' go to bookstores to find em or order them though. I don't often read or collect the mainstream ones as you may notice i have things like claymore and rosario vampire which aren't exactly the 'mainstream' of manga.
and yeah, certain authors just need to stay away from characters not their own. same could be said of people in hollywood.
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1. I see, Venom and Brock will be the deadly pair we know them as anyway.
2. I can see that, I mean, some of my manga barely have anime adaptions or barely known by others, examples include:
Sorry for my Familiar(AKA Steve Irwin, Familiar Hunter)
A terrified teacher at Yokai School
etc.
3. Even if Fire Emblem Fates story is sometimes bad, making it a Garth Ennis comic book series is like saying "You can raid Disney to change Star Wars, regardless of who get's hurt in the process"...it doesn't make sense. Personally, Kurt Busiek would be better, or Araki from JJBA would suit them better.
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venom with brock is what it is known as. no matter who else they try to put the costume on it won't be as iconic or popular as with brock.
and umm.. is that actual series? cuz the only steve irwin i know is the crocodile hunter.
well, sounds like fire emblem might get the rian johnson treatment. then again so many properties are getting that treatment now it's hardly funny anymore.
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