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Is anyone else tired and disgusted that so many stories have violence just for violence's sake? No logical plot, just a vehicle for harming someone else.It can be anything: "bursting", brain washing, transformation, shrinking, being eaten, I found out the options are limitless.
In any way, something that permanently removes a character from the story (and existence), be it by making it vanish, die, diseapear, removing it from existance itself, or anything, then saying that since the character didn't really "die", it doesn't count. lol whut?
And the worst is the trend to make the offender be some kind of "hero" in the story, the main character, and horrible ammounts of plot armor to protect him/her.
It just damages the "suspension of disbelief" that helps you enjoy a piece of ficiton.
Heck, I read the description of a character I found, to a friend online, and she said "that character is clearly cruel", yet the author wrote down that the character was not evil.
I like bursting stories, but only if there's a reason for it. A GOOD story is just that... a story that happens to have bursting, not a bursting that has words thrown around it as a "story."
If the main character IS a psychopath, even a "normal" and "loveable" one, be it. Accidents, villains, revenge. But when a character acts "out of character", just for the heck of it... It gets dumb.
So, here's... uh... Michelle, the main character of my story. She's your average school girl. She never harmed a person more than the usual gossip, or eventual slapping fest with a jealous school mate. One day, she decided to pull a prank on someone. She thought about inflating some random person till she burst, or turn a guy into a chick, damned be his past and previous life, or maybe brain wash some girl into being someone's sex slave, or turn someone into an object and send it by mail to another country, or just gag someone with a jawbreaker into their mouth.
Unfortunally, all she managed to get was a normal hand gun, so it had to do. And the people around, the witnesses, she'll deal with them soon. Can't let her get caught now, can we?
And she's not evil, nor a psychopath, nor a bad person. It just happened that the victim... stoped existing. Shit happens, right?
PS: If someone felt offended by it, good. My job here is done. Feel free to insult me as you see fit.
PS2: Wooh, DA now has options for why a deviation is marked mature. DA is finally growing up.
PS3: Cute prank DA did. I just wonder if whoever wrote it, knows what the mudkips thing was really about... Damn, I wish I had a PS3... or at least that my PS2 were working... need to get off my lazy arse and get it fixed. I miss kicking butt and taking names with Kratos.
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Not like yours like that emoticon.
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Yes but mine is like that emoticon. It's an inversion.
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Yeah. I got tired of stories without any background or meaning, where by the end, it's nothing more than a character becoming a serial killer for no real reason.
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I can't agree more! Great pictorial commentary! A variant I've seen, particularly this past election run, are the ones with snarky little political comments pasted in, either in the art itself or the artists comments. It either confirms the small-mindedness of the "artist" or ir there to "stir up controversy". In your case, you explained yourself and your point rather nicely, so kudos to you! I'm just sick of "death by (place form of death here)" with idiotic phrases like "Bush Sucks!" stuck in for "effect".
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Thanks. Yeah, I got annoyed with the frivolousy on how people treat death in these things.
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A few months late, but here's my thoughts.
The reason these "mean for the sake of mean" characters are so popular is because they're percieved as being "edgy." It's a trend I've seen a lot of in recent years. Authors attempt to justify their character's actions by claiming that non-sociopathic characters with moral compasses are all preachy, boring, and one-dimensional. It's ironic that the "shocking" and "edgy" characters have become far more shallow and predictable. "Oh wow, Black Mage just incinerated some defenseless peasants. He's never done that before." Thus, when people point out how trite and cliched these characters have become, they're immediately accused of being stuffy, uptight censors who can't handle the assault on their delicate Midwestern sensibilities.
Personally, I'd like to see a subversion for the subversion, with the sociopath being called out on their BS and punished.
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Agreed. I tend to roll my eyes when I see a piece of work made with the sole purpose of being shocking (that's so 80ies), but I know a lot of people really like these things for some reason. However, as you said, these characters get too stuck to a role, and get 2-dimensional quickly.
BM is an example of shocking character that is fairly well done, because he's a caricature. He's not really punished, but no one else cares for what he does (except for the one person he wants to overlook it), so it frustrates him.
And yeah, characters getting their just desserts because whatever plot device and/or deus ex machina doesn't protect them, would be nice. Really, 75% of the stories I read, the guy gets always just because everyone around is stupid, or some thing happens just in the nick of time to distract everyone.
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A few months late, but here's my thoughts.
The reason these characters are so popular is because they're percieved as being "edgy." It's a trend I've seen a lot of in recent years. Authors attempt to justify their character's actions by claiming that non-sociopathic characters with moral compasses are all preachy, boring, and one-dimensional. It's ironic that the "shocking" and "edgy" characters have become far more shallow and predictable. "Oh wow, Black Mage just incinerated some defenseless peasants. He's never done that before." What we need is a subversion for the subversion.
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Sorry about the double post. Connection issues.
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i really hate stuff like that, story with no plot, just made to encompass one element, like violence, weight gain, sex, character bashing. The story shouldn't be about Jimmy gains 300 lbs, or Charles has sex with Dustin, but what is going on in their lives that makes that happen. The hole in Mindy's skull is not the plot.
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Yeah. A minimum of plot that at least *try* to make sense will always be superior to something one-dimensional.
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I can't believe a veteran in our community like you can't understand.
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I understand. I understand too much, that's the problem.
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hehe that sounds like its a conspiracy.
So you dont watch movies or read books where because people die? That means you dont like ANY story ever written?
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I don't read dumb stories
I enjoy a good horror, suspense, and even some thriller story, but when the background story is badly written, it's hard to keep the suspension of disbelief.
Also, I don't enjoy stories whose only purpose is to have a character being killed off, for no reason.
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Never read a story like that. If you mean movies like Hostel and Saw, then I understand your point of view.
On transformation/fetish stories, thats where your logic makes no sense. Whatever turns people on, thats whats gonna be written about. Character development, or letting them live or making them die, is not the point. The point is the fetish itself.
If she floats away, then yeah...I guess she dies (which is why I purposely named my latest story "Murder"). But who cares? Its still TOM AND JERRY. Only more mature...cuz its a fetish, not a saturday morning entertainment.
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Actually, Saw makes sense. The guy is a psycho. That's the reason. He got bored and decided to kill people for fun. No one will deny he's the villain. What troubles me are stories where a character will suffer a complete personality shift in less than 5 seconds, from normal person to "I wonder if he'll die if I do this... nah, I don't care".
And I'm not expecting Shakespeare or anything, just something more than mindless "wank fodder"... and Jesus Christ, if beings exploding/dying/being erased from existence, are people's fetish... I don't want to know that sort of person...
And Tom & Jerry, as violent as they are, they still have the "reset" button, so next episode they are back and kicking. In many places I see people complaining when the character *doesn't* die, or the author finds some plot to bring the character back.
Again, I don't mind, and even enjoy these kinds of stories/artwork... when they are well made. More and more I see myself losing interest in this kind of art, because I feel I lack the cruelty that seems to be required now.
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Ive discussed this with you for years. You see, we think based on language. We dont see it as dying. Logically, yes, I guess they die. But its not a focus on DEATH.
Yes, theres a bit of cruelty and sadism. We are all fucked up. That doesnt mean anything.
Its required now? Oh, like the old stories in the original bi.org didnt have that kind of thing? The guy in Virtuality? The vengeful woman in Nanotech Pneumatics?
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Ah, the memories, the memories. So many stories (even professional ones) with nothing but violence, or even "awesome fights". Violence is really so disgusting...
Ah well. Even in the fetishes scenarios, I almost only read/watch the gentle stuff of any genre (BBW, muscles and GTS... I include BBW since I remember reading about a story where there was a girl that killed guys suffocating them under her weight, but violence is far less common in this genre).
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True, true... Looks like the community is blood thirsty nowadays.... people are only interested in deaths, torture, humilation... And then try to claim they don't do it. I do enjoy a good violent story, but when the whole story is just a bad excuse to just have characters die in gruesome ways...
Yeah, I saw some WG-related stories that ends with some character torturing/killing/whatever other character for cheer cruelty, then the author claims the character is not evil >_>
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Very true, people talk about having a "hero" kill the "villain" but life isn't always black and white. Anyone who has killed someone in real life by accident or on purpose don't want to talk about it and always feel bad for doing it, no matter how many times they have done it.
Like I say: "It is easier to destroy then to create, to hurt then to help, to confuse then to teach. We must never take the easy way."
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Yeah, double-sided morality is weird. I read about how sometimes the hero try to show he's good and stuff, but kills without remorse. I even read about shows/comics/comics where the hero will not kill the villain to prove he's better... after slaughering the villain's henchmen. The movie Austin Powers pokes fun at this concept, showing the family and friends of simple henchmen killed in the story mourning their loss.
But who cares? It's only a story, you shouldn't care for what happens, as long as you get your wanking material
That kind of thinking makes stories hard to follow sometimes.
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In that case, you must really hate the movie "Shoot'um Up". I like it, but then again I am a gun-nut.
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"Shoot'um Up"? Is there a plot in it?
Anyway, I enjoy more movies where I can make fun of it
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You mean make fun like these guys do? [link]
P.S. Wii FTW
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More like those guys that sit and the dark and keep cracking jokes at the plot holes and weird plots.
Yeah, I'll keep an eye on a Wii.
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Also fetish stories being very single-minded, if you have a popping fetish, then the story simply has to have popping in it.
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Whether the character inflicting the violence is evil or not really depends on the type of setting... In a cartoony setting, it can be more 'naughty' than evil. Itchy and Scratchy stylee... Wyle. E. Coyote was forever trying to kill Road Runner, but no-one would suggest the Road Runner cartoons were exposing a whole generation of kids to evil.
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I agree. That's why I say that "in-character", it's alright. Willy is trying to kill and eat the RoadRunner, and RR has no qualms in seeing Willy get blown up. And both are perfectly fine by next story.
When you get into realistic settings, person that die... die, and that's usually a nasty thing (see, South Park for banalization of death, for example, Kenny dies, and no one cares).
Now when the death is cause off-character, it gets weird. For example, Superman need to hold back his urge to kill some villains. Some stories, including alternative and future ones, have him finally snapping after years of frustration. Heck, there's one where he is tortured for hundreds of years, and refuse to kill.
Then in some story he's just bored and decides to snap some lowly thief with his fingers. No mind control or psychosys. He just does that. It's simply not in character, and fans WILL find it odd.
Same thing in some stories where a character just go and do something for another for no reason.
And yeah, popping stories are fine, when they make sense. Some stories, if you read from beggining to end, is nothing more than character A finds device B, and uses it to end victim's C life/existence.
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*grunts*
I'm feelin' ya on that one. I honestly have no use or respect for a story that shows abuse or random violence just to do it. And I make it a point to make sure if anything unpleasant happens like that in my writing (and even THAT'S pretty rare), that it has a reason, a purpose, and consequences.
Hoping to avoid that sin, and do the stuff that you'd be proud of.
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Yup. Violence in-character is fun. Out of character makes the story look weird. I'm sure your stuff is great. I need to get off my lazy arse and start reading more XD
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Your comment seem intriguing but at the moment... frightening.
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Just bored with the badly thought-out stories, really. I do enjoy some violent stuff every now and then, but some are simply dumb, specially when the author claims that the character is "not evil".
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Lol, yeah ya got a point there.
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You want to talk plot armor? Im really getting tired of this whole "Batman can beat anyone as long as he plans ahead." crap. Especially how his fans defend it to the end, even when its revealed he has already hatched murder plots against other heroes should they "Go rogue". These plans resulted in Ra's Al Ghul nearly conquering Earth and his OMACs wound up getting Blue Beetle and Rocket Red killed. But yet no one thinks Pointy-ears should be held accountable. Id say Batmans morality is a bigger threat to innocents than any villain in Gotham City.
Its just boring to see him have the answer to everything all the time. Especially since his personality consists mainly of "My parents are DEAAAAD!!!" and driving away anyone who tries to get close by being a singleminded jerk.
But you want to talk violence for it's own sake. Whats this thing with being crushed by a GTS foot? Sure I can understand macrogynophilia, but how do people get off on being crushed by a giant foot?
Not to mention all the FMG pics that have superstrong women maiming much weaker men? How do people find that AROUSING? Since when has brutalizing the weak been considered appealing? Where's the sport? I don't care if the man in question isnt a good guy, the poor behaviour of others does not justify poor behaviour in yourself.
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Agreed, agreed, and agreed.
Batman, as Superman calls it, is the "worlds's most dangerous man". He should have contigencies. The problem is when he has access to things that no one should have. Sometimes he "just happens" to be carrying something in his belt that'll do it, even if, in 30 years, he never felt the need to use such a device, or he manages to put his hands into some artifact that no one found it.
As for villains using Bat's plans, that's another topic.
The being crunched/ripped/whatever by bigger/stronger people, I'm with you there. Free random actions of violence/strenght demonstrations doesn't impress me. When there IS a plot, like a hero and a villain fighting, it's cool, specially if the villain can hold his own. If it's just a stronger character against a weaker character, there's really no point to it, like that skit on Robot Chicken: "the world's most one-sided battles".
Heck, I do have plans for some VERY violent scenes, but they are, in majority, battle-oriented ones. It has a minimum reason to exist.
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Ever since Bats started conflicting with his fellow heroes as much as his villains it just got tiresome. EVERY attempt at conversation with him back in the 80s Giffen League would go like.
Booster Gold: "Well if you ask me..."
Bats:"I didn't"
Blue Beetle: "Wantto know what I think?"
Bats: NO.
And what if old pointy-ears finally snaps? He's gonna have all he needs at his fingertips. Batman's morality has become a greater threat to innocents than every freak Arkham Asylum combined. With three Joker clones on acid.
Kinsyo does some great muscular maidens. He has this smaller weaker guy all the girls seem to love. Now these girl DO put a mean hurting on the little guy often. But usually it's inadvertant injury during affection, at worst, just teasing the guy. They never seem to do anything permanent. At worst youll hear a bone or two creak, and once he simply passed out. But despite it all it just doesnt come across as cruelty at all Maybe a little carelessness or misguided affection. But apparently they dont hurt him as much as it appears because Taro apparently forgives them and keeps hanging out with them
Sometimes Taro appears frightened but it can be construed in a rollercoaster way. He may well be scared, but LIKES the feeling with these garganutan cuties towering over him.
So yeah,., a little guy still gets roughed up. But at least the girls showing their strength on a weaker guy shtick is focused in a different angle and actually comes off as endearing in its own bizarre little way.
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Me too 
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But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce,
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2 Timothy 3:1-4
"1 But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, "
Now try not to agree that this is how people are today!
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Exactly =\ people are ahead of the writings.
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Well, it was written almost 2000 yr ago.
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I know, I mean that it was foreseeing... oh
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Meh, I prefer Squirtles. Or Bulbasaurs.
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Well, there is a certain muscle girl(who will remain anonymous) created by a certain DA femuscle fan whose story is apparently about loving to kill in the form of "playing", especially with her brother...why do I assume this?
Because I see these pictures of her and they always seem to have blood featured in one way or another.
I don't want the female muscle fandom to be in a bad light because of this...
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