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opps i made a sadi really need to work on anatomy though- this didn't come out like how I hoped ;
for melbert on tumblr because they made fantastic head canons wHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN CANON SERIOUSLY. THANKS FOR INDULGING ME IN THEM
After almost dying from GOING ON FIRE, Pit SHOULD have had some ptsd problems. I know everything was solved, but the whole trauma of the event was never addressed??? ever??? everyone just got over it really quick.
which is why i like this headcanon because it's more realistic-
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Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 03:13:58 +0000 UTC]
Pit already does have PTSD, it was just ignored in Uprising.
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UsagiJoyline In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-12-19 20:04:12 +0000 UTC]
I agree withyou Angelic-Blossoms, Deserted-Rose-Petal,and Joetheteamrocketguy,
You guys are like correcting Sakurai-Senapi's mistakes! Even though he did an awesome job with the game and the character designs he did a bad job with the characters personalities or development all that
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dweebunny In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 12:23:04 +0000 UTC]
Already? Ooohhh I assume you're referring to the loss of all of his fellow angels by Medusa's hand? It was a bit weird they kinda ignored that, but Uprising never mentioned the angels at all, I suppose, so he had no reason to succumb to it? Would have been good if they'd addressed that too- He's bound to miss them. We also don't know his whole past though, so there might be more than meets the eye!
This headcanon is more referring to the Chaos Kin incident, and how things like fire should probably be a touchy subject with him after the traumatic experience. Even flying would be terrifying if he thought his wings were limited because of the rewind spring!
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to dweebunny [2015-07-15 20:20:51 +0000 UTC]
Well Pit has already gone through quite a few traumatizing events not just the loss of his fellow angels..again in which Uprising just ignored. Had no reason to succumb to it?? They just didn't bother to include any thing remotely serious in Uprising outside of a few tid bits here and there that were QUICKLY brushed over in favor of more useless jokes. Example with the Chaos-Kin incident..everyone just kinda danced on over it and went back to dallying around and treating the world's soon demise and Pit himself like one big joke...I'm sorry Dark Pit..I love you and all bro..but ya should really consider treating someone who went through that much sacrifice just to save your selfish ass at least a tiny bit better..Well at least he tried to pay it back..really should be saying all that to Palutena.
I understand the headcanon, it's a good one..but something that Uprising nor Uprising's fanbase will take into consideration considering they're way to busy drawing Palutena porn and kissing her selfish ass.
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dweebunny In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 21:24:47 +0000 UTC]
Hmm...from my experience with Uprising, they seemed to make very few references to any other Kid Icarus title apart from the first one? I wouldn't be sure though, I didn't play them myself.
Ah- I didn't mean it in a bad way, I was only saying because Uprising didn't mention these things, Pit wouldn't technically have had a reason to suddenly break down, because they were never mentioned. (I'm not saying sudden break-downs don't happen, they do. Plot wise though they never included it) Hence why people like me can only be familiar with things he's gone through by our own research into the character.
I was very upset with how they handled the Chaos Kin incident. It was a HUGE part of all of their lives and they let it go very quickly. Heck Pit just was like "yay! what's going on" instead of...well, remembering it and having to deal with the memory of it.
As for Dark Pit, he didn't really have an opportunity to speak to Pit after the sacrifice because he left suddenly after Pit was cured. From what I saw he did start treating Pit better the moment they reunited after the 3 year gap, in fact they seemed to stop being enemies at all because Dark Pit realized how important Pit's...well, LIFE is to him: he can't exist without Pit, literally. That's just my personal perception of the events though...!
Woah now- I don't believe that's quite right. Lots of people, especially on Tumblr anyway, enjoy adding new layers of meaning and...well, plot to Uprising, regardless of Palutena at all. (Examples being AUs where Pandora actually acts more like a goddess of Calamity, taking Pit before he's cured, etcetc) Especially followers of the askpitandspit blog. There's lots of fanworks based on the darker elements that have been explored there.
It really depends on what fans you talk to as a whole. I've seen loads of people draw out the darker sides of the story that the game itself failed to delve into. (Pit's body killing people, for instance- Pit himself brushed it off pretty quick in the game). It's not exactly fair to lump an entire fandom in the ...er, Palutena porn drawing/praising group. (I can't speak for Uprising itself, but I'm sure that's not how they would have wanted to be viewed-) I like Palutena myself, but I don't go around praising her and ignoring bad parts of her, the things she's done and the things she's said. But all of the characters have their flaws, not just her.
Either way, opinions are opinions, and everyone is entitled to different ones. I hope it didn't seem like I was trying to argue with you, because that was not my intention- I was just discussing my own thoughts in response to your thoughts! Either way, I hope you have a good day, and thanks for taking the talk to talk to me!
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to dweebunny [2015-07-15 21:31:12 +0000 UTC]
I don't really wish to word wall in response..it just should be pretty clear now that I'm not a big fan of Uprising aside from a few qualities of it, I get everyone has their opinions about certain things.
But from MOST of what I have come across..it hasn't helped my perception on Uprising fans..I already don't take much liking towards the game. But the fanbase behind the game..they can get rather nerve raking...aside from maybe a small handful of people..Most of those people in which usually don't like Sakurai's Palutena either.
Uprising brought an awful fanbase to the Kid Icarus community.
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dweebunny In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 21:45:47 +0000 UTC]
That's okay! I don't mind that, I'm sorry Uprising brought a negative effect on the fandom for you ;; I wish that wasn't the case, because you seem to really love the series beforehand!
I suppose it doesn't help that most Uprising fans' first impression of Pit was from Brawl: myself included. From what I've seen of SSBs fandoms, it usually includes lots of shipping, oocness when people aren't familiar with the characters, etc ;; Hence the more graphic material is a bit more common.
At least Uprising gives the series a chance to come back with more, but it will likely be similar (Sakurai Palutena, jokes, etc) Which, for people like yourself, prooobably isn't a good thing ;; But at least we get things to work with, if we want to take it more seriously than the game itself does, right? (Dark Pit, Chaos Kin, things like that...it's probably easy to tell I liked that arc. I think I liked it BECAUSE it was more serious. Just wish it was played better from chapter 22 onwards)
Hopefully as time goes on, things will change for the better!
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to dweebunny [2015-07-15 22:05:48 +0000 UTC]
Well see when it comes to KI it's not like with example Fire Emblem where a lot of the people got introduced to the chars via Super Smash Bros, thus thought the chars would act and do this certain thing..but in turn wouldn't be the case, which did upset a lot of Fire Emblem fans. SSBB Pit is a lot more close to what Pit used to be than Uprising Pit. A graceful/angelic warrior with a bright smile, but fearsome reputation. Heck even in the short few seconds we see Palutena in SSBB she's a lot closer to her past counterpart (A beautiful and benevolent Goddess with eyes of purity) than Uprising's version. (Even though Sakurai directed both games.)
Even in the newer SSB title do the KI chars get treated better than they do in Uprising. Example if you go through Palutena's Guidance, she's actually there to lay down some info, she doesn't resort to undermining Pit as if he is worthless compared to her and even stops Viridi when she gets out of hand with her comments. (Minus her stupid anime boobs/butt trailer)
Dark Pit is one of the only purely good things I see come out of Uprising..at first I thought he was just going to be the edge of the game..but he turned out to be so much better..to bad he's completely useless save for one chapter. And even so after that chapter..the game is more than half way finished..there's not much else to do, not much else to develop.
Uprising fans feel that the game gave Kid Icarus a better chance, a new light and energy to the series. They don't realize that Kid Icarus wasn't intended to be this joke fest of happiness and joy, it was meant to be more of a serious franchise..not saying it was all dark and gloom..but..it wasn't supposed to be what Uprising is. It didn't need a third title..it was one of those franchises that was fine where it was. Super Smash Bros did the series better justice than Uprising did.
Palutena is hardly even recognizable anymore and Pit turned from a proud warrior to a spineless, overly dependent, puppet.
Maybe I would have a better judgement on Uprising's fanbase if I met the right people, but I haven't..I usually come across gross and disgusting people who only care about Palutena's titties and using Pit as a means of a gateway for their fantasies. A lot of these people didn't give a shit about Kid Icarus before Uprising (Let alone Palutena) and only so few of them are considered any good. I try and keep an open mind, but the further I go into it, the more upset I become.
As far as I am concerned, I'm sticking to DP's fandom..and that's it..but even so, that one what used to be pretty good, is now turning into a waste bucket of marysues and poorly written Reader Insert fanfics.
I do apologize for my way of thinking, I know it's not the nicest.
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dweebunny In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 22:29:51 +0000 UTC]
I did notice the shift in character, from one SSB title to the next actually- He did seem more warrior-like in brawl, while now he's more like the usual protagonist you see in games and shows now. (upbeat, clumsy, but ends up being great etc-). I do wonder why they decided to change their characters so much, it sounds like there was a dramatic shift!
Huh, that's true actually, they don't really pick on him in the guidance sections- If that's any indication, maybe future titles/things with them will calm down on the "pick on pit" thing.
I am really glad Dark Pit was handled the way he was, I was afraid he was just going to be a typical 'im the exact opposite of you and will oppose you forever because i'm DARK". I'm happy he got his own development. Would've been nice if he was in it a bit more though, or if they gave a few chapters where you could play as him. Or if he could help out more: he and Pit are equally matched after all.
It definitely gave that impression before. With Uprising I tend to forget Pit is the leader of an army, because you never...see him acting like the captain/general he is by name. Perhaps they should have simply remade, with no alterations, the original games plotlines and such before making uprising, if they wanted to get a bigger audience? The fandom would probably be pretty different now if they did that first, and Pit/Palutena's characters might not have changed so much.
I understand- I hope that side of things calms down a bit as years go on. Luckily those are not the kind of people I met, so I guess that's why I haven't had any trouble, but I suppose I didn't meet many people either. It's an awful shame that there are so many people who use Pit as a self insert, though...
No no don't worry! Everyone has different ways of perceiving things, and this is your way. I'm a bit of one of those "hopeless-optimist" types, so I try to see the good in everything, personally. That's probably the reason why my statements are pretty weak!
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to dweebunny [2015-07-16 18:20:35 +0000 UTC]
As Uprising fans said, to bring 'life' to the KI franchise. Pit was reintroduced via Smash, not his own title, thus his personality wasn't going to change from his older titles. But as soon as he got a new title, his personality took on that shift..so it carried on over to the new Smash title. But again not to the extant, example he's more than willing to taunt his opponents and is fully aware of his abilities..His fighting style is a force to be wrecking with and he doesn't appear to be a dopey, idiotic child as he is in Uprising. So Pit is a little weird. As for Palutena, this is the first time anyone has seen Palutena in battle (I do not count when she was in control of the Chaos-Kin due to it was just her being used as a host). Palutena is defiantly in both KI and Smash far weaker than Pit..regardless of how much she loves to make it seem otherwise..He has already shown he is fully capable of destroying her in no sweat.
She isn't a true fighter, she just uses her Goddess powers and that's it...I would love to see Palutena actually fight as a warrior...but no they decided to just give her magic and that be it. I think if she actually buckled down and fought like the Goddess Palu-Athena she is based from..she'd be way more capable than Pit could ever be.
Why? Because as you brought up, Pit and Palutena are BOTH military leaders..Pit is the Captain of her guard, but Palutena is the full front leader..they are at her command. With that kind of leadership, that kind of respect..Palutena is bound to be something MUCH more than just a pretty face with magic and heels. She's bound to know her way around the battlefield, her strategies should be unmatched, her capabilities should be so much more..so why turn her into this spoiled anime trope of a character????? Why Sakurai???? Why did we turn a Captain of a full front military, someone who's taken down Gods and Demons alike..Satan himself..into a childish little fuck with no backbone?? Why??
I am not saying these two chars are completely 100% serious doom and gloom..but they for sure as heck SHOULDN'T be how they are in Uprising..which is pretty much a joke.
I caught myself mentally saying "Why is Mother Palutena acting like a 16yr old teenage brat??????" several times while playing through.
Which brings up Dark Pit and why I like him so much, he's what KI used to be..yes he's a bit rude..but he's logical, independent and for sure not afraid to challenge up to anyone that stands in his way. If Palutena says anything and he disagrees with it..he's not afraid to put her in her place..albeit a bit rude..but he still does. Pit would have done the same thing..he before wasn't afraid to let Palutena know what she was doing was wrong..he didn't just sit there and ass kiss her and let her get away with stupid things. Pit wouldn't have before let her or anyone pick on him like that, let people use his handicaps against him. Dark Pit doesn't let his flight handicap get in the way of what he is..he takes things by the face full front, knows where good and bad payment are needed and due. He gets things done. He's more of Pit..than Pit himself is. (and he's damn beautiful...in my opinion) This is why a lot of people didn't like Dark Pit before, it wasn't because of the thoughts of him being an edgeLord 5000atron, it was because he was NOT afraid to tell Palutena off..the waifu of the game..If Pit was the way he was back then..he wouldn't have been afraid either.
(I am almost done here..I can go off about KI...)
I do not know the types of people you have met whom are also Uprising fans, you yourself don't seem to be one of 'them' so by that logic I would assume there's got to be more out there who aren't just "Gimmie more Palutena porn plz"
So perhaps there is a full reason to have some sort of faith within the fandom.
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dweebunny In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-18 22:28:51 +0000 UTC]
(Sorry it took me so long to get back to you- last couple of days have been bleh-!)
Huh, that is unusual, and a good point! He isn't as willing to taunt enemies in Uprising, at least, not to the same extent. Maybe Sakurai is still figuring out what kind of character he wants Pit to be, I dunno-
I kinda wish there had been an opportunity to fight her properly in some sort of training thing or something, or an extra round. (Make it an actual part of the trials?? I dunno, I suppose I can't see how it would fit in-) Pseudo Palutena is pretty difficult to fight, but it's not Palutena- rather it's a more aggressive version of her. If she fought more like that, she'd be pretty hard to beat!
Ohhh I didn't think of that...it would be incredible if they worked on her fighting more; I've noticed all of her attacks are based on the Powers in KI:U. I dunno if that was a good move or not, but she is more fragile than Pit. (lighter, easier to knock back, etc) She's supposedly the one who crafted both the Silver and Palutena bow in Uprising, so it's a bit odd that they make her use a much slower staff instead. There's also the Palutena blade... So if they didn;t want her and Pit using the same/similar weapon, she could have used the strike blade, maybe? Just something I thought about, I'm getting a bit sidetracked, apologies!
I can really understand the frustration of those who have been fans of the series long term- While I like the characters as they are, I'm sure I would have been frustrated too had I known the characters as they were before Uprising. They are basically new characters using the names of older characters with how different they are... I guess it's kinda like my frustration with Tales of Symphonia 2 when I saw it's introduction criticizing the characters of the first game, making them out to be totally different people.
I really loved Dark Pit and his developments, I didn't mind if he was rude, myself. He definitely is more competent than Pit in terms of battle, which I mostly saw in the Scorched Feathers chapter. When Palutena started stating what Dark Pit saw as obvious, he asked her to stop. I suppose they decided to make Pit the more doggedly loyal type so that when Dark Pit appeared, he would INITIALLY appear to be Pit's complete opposite, with how he stays independent and such. I wonder how different the game would have been if Pit was more like his original character, and what would that have made Dark Pit like? Or would Dark Pit exist at all?
(No worries at all, thank you for taking the time to talk with me!)
Well, I hope in time you meet more people who think more on your wavelength that you can therorize/discuss/etc with~ Because as much of a train wreck as Uprising is/can be, it's still fun to work with, at least, in my opinion!
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Joetheteamrocketguy In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 04:57:34 +0000 UTC]
much like everything else
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to Joetheteamrocketguy [2015-07-15 05:09:43 +0000 UTC]
Much like everything else...
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Joetheteamrocketguy In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 05:33:12 +0000 UTC]
true
it ignored:
the game boy games story (kid icarus 2: of myths and monsters)
the fact pit used maps, yeat apparently cant read
many of the minor characters
the fact pauletena was more then a fanservice girl (and actually nice)
the hammers used to break statues
shops
satan (he was a boss in the game boy game, no joke)
a jump button
good things it added:
eggplant spell temporary
multiplayer
dark pit (couldnt forget about him, can i?)
lower difficulty/ADJUSTABLE difficulty! (for you masochists)
more portable then the NES game
bad things it added:
viridi (stupid bitch)
most of the other characters (except darkpit and maybe magnus)
pauletena being a complete bitch (mostly) and lazy asshole
the 4th wall breaking (depends on personal opinion, i liked it, you probably do not)
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to Joetheteamrocketguy [2015-07-15 07:09:26 +0000 UTC]
The only thing it took from Myth and Monsters was the design for Pit..Sakurai just pretty much updated it and called it a day regardless of what others like to think. Palutena wasn't the only individual to pretty much have her personality sucked out of her in replace with a complete moron. Pit originally isn't this backboneless little boy without a shred of dependance or intelligence. Not saying that he was super different..but if anything Dark Pit is actually more closer to Pit's original mannerisms *minus the rudeness* than Pit is now.
Uprising had more bad than good, the 4th wall breaking was atrociously annoying..I get that I'm playing a game..but the point of playing a game is to escape from the real world and not be constantly reminded that it's just a game..thanks for ruining that for me Sakurai. Most of the chars in Uprising were completely useless minus Pit himself. Palutena was horse shoed in with basic game mechanics being used as her so called 'powers'. Dark Pit was fun and my absolute favorite, but he's useless. Magnus another good character falling to the useless category. The rest were just flat out anime tropes and much not needed.
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Joetheteamrocketguy In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-15 17:11:30 +0000 UTC]
well, to be fair, pits design wasnt horrible
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to Joetheteamrocketguy [2015-07-15 20:22:38 +0000 UTC]
O' no no no no, I love Pit's modern design, it's beautiful hence why I spam draw him. If you were referring to the Myth and Monster's design, no that one was absolutely adorable. He looks like a little plushie that can be snuggled all day long. I'm just saying that's where Sakurai GOT Pit's modern design from.
Not the first title.
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Joetheteamrocketguy In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-16 00:57:24 +0000 UTC]
thats what i mean, pit odern design is great
an i never noticed how cute his myth and monsters deigns was until you pointed it out...now to wait until someone makes a plushie of it...
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Angelic-Blossoms In reply to Joetheteamrocketguy [2015-07-16 01:20:48 +0000 UTC]
Ooo now I do want a plush of it, for my next plushie commission that's what I'm asking for.
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Joetheteamrocketguy In reply to Angelic-Blossoms [2015-07-16 03:33:24 +0000 UTC]
id love one too!
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