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edit-dsn In reply to DampeS8N [2005-09-05 00:44:08 +0000 UTC]

Hi, looking at your fave type of music/band, I dont think you will understand it (idont mean that disrespectully either, just different preference for sound) , but psy trance is all about repetition and tonality - monotonous repetition of notes and structure. It's called progressive, which is misleading because each track doesnt progress very much musically but instead progresses texturally and tonally. the progressive part also comes about from mixing one track into another and leading the listener on a journey through atmospheres. It's primarily druq music - ie best enjoyed while on druqs as the repetative nature is conducive to hypnogogic states and feet shuffling (sometimes called dancing). The lack of differing notes is what gives it it's appeal, note changes and key changes distract the listener from their journey.
You either like it or you dont. hehe - interesting discussion

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edit-dsn In reply to edit-dsn [2005-09-05 07:16:44 +0000 UTC]

your definition of whats needed is greatly misconstrued. What is needed is a good ear for music and an inate talent to produce something fresh. When YOU listen to this music it all sounds the same to you because you are not familiar with it's intricacies and nuances. just like all speed metal sounds the same to me. A musical talent is what separates the oversaturation from the truly breathtaking. Also what is needed is a fairly decent studio setup if you want to create quality music. High end PC $1500+ AUD, professional soundcard $300+, Studio Monitors $1500+, and a synth Access Virus / Nord Lead etc $3000+
The people making this music on their $70 rigs with onboard soundcards are the ones oversaturating the industry and creating narcolepsy-inducing abominations. All the people i know who produce (most of my friends) have strong backgrounds in music production/writing.
It does have roots (or at the least draws influence from) world music Raga, Balinese Tibetan Tribal etc. and i hear it all the time. The great thing about this music is its selflessness, there is no *rockstar* up on stage, the music is the celebrity. there is a freedom in the anonymity (dont confuse psytrance with normal trance or techno like Digweed, Sasha etc - they are their own rockstars [read "cockheads"] )
There are no real rules to this genre, it has to be constantly innovative, improving and advancing over what came before: the average track lifespan (how long it's played at events/dances etc) is about 12 months. After that it's seen as quite dated and old. Harsh, but it makes for a very progressive music movement.

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DampeS8N In reply to edit-dsn [2005-09-05 01:48:41 +0000 UTC]

I think it is more about the fact that I don't do drugs, I think, I get the point. I just don't feel what everyone seems to feel. I do listen to droning music, Indian, Balinese Gamelan. But this seems to deny what I've read on wiki to be its roots. Old type drums or tribal trance inducing music. Which this doesn't even seem to be derivative of. What are the guidelines that define the good examples from the poor ones. Electronic, particularly dance styles have become so oversaturated due to the ease by which it can be created.

a decent PC. 70$ and various nuts and bolts to record hit sounds are all you need to produce this kind of music, and the nature of it means that anyone with a mild sense of rythm and tone can produce pro quality recordings. Where does the talent come in....

In other words, what separates a craftsman, who follows rules to produce a product, from the artist.... Or is it an artless form of music. Like a wedding band is best when it is artless and purely craft?

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edit-dsn In reply to DreamsLayers [2005-09-05 00:20:19 +0000 UTC]

send me a note with any questions you have mate, be glad to help out if i can

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DreamsLayers In reply to edit-dsn [2005-09-05 02:11:19 +0000 UTC]

Thanks man!

Noted

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edit-dsn In reply to Athenasojosdelechuza [2005-09-05 00:18:46 +0000 UTC]

thx

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Athenasojosdelechuza In reply to edit-dsn [2005-09-14 19:43:14 +0000 UTC]

You´re welcome. Really you do a beautiful an interesting design

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axecool In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 22:05:52 +0000 UTC]

great cd cover pal........ill go to the shop just to buy the cover buddy.too good

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tatlntael In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 21:11:40 +0000 UTC]

love it

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D4RkP0w3R In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 20:11:09 +0000 UTC]

Great job! Thats a amazing cd cover!!

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edit-dsn In reply to rawified [2005-09-05 00:18:17 +0000 UTC]

krumelur rawk

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KramS In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 19:05:40 +0000 UTC]

Awesome work. You are an excellent designer.

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IlincaMilosan In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 18:21:17 +0000 UTC]

It's absolutely wonderful! I love the colors and simplicity of it! It really does desreve to be a featured deviation! Great work!

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pley In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 17:30:21 +0000 UTC]

Was this intended to look so much like Amon Tobin's album covers, with that 3D design? I mean, considering the fact that one of his albums is titled "Permutation"? And considering that Ninja Tune Records is all about the Zen Cuts? And that the logo on the front cover is basically the logo for Splinter Cell, for which Amon Tobin just wrote the soundtrack? You're clearly a great designer, but this cover is really bordering on plagarism, in my eyes. I mean unless you're secretly Kevin Foakes, of course. If you did get inspiration from his cover designs, you really should give him credit in your description, to avoid confusion.

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edit-dsn In reply to pley [2005-09-05 00:17:42 +0000 UTC]

You may or may not believe this but: I never played the SplinterCell games (i prefer FPS shooters) and never followed them so i had no idea Amon did the soundtrack.
I also never really listened to Amon's music (other than early Cujo: adventures in foam), and hence never had his cd's and hence never studied any cover art. I was aware of the ZENCD monika and also the Permutations name, but as i said before in this thread I DIDNT NAME THE ALBUM OR THE RECORD LABEL, I JUST DID THE DESIGN.
As for the splinter cell logo - if you're going to henestly say that three dots are copyright then you should also have said i ripped off the Predator targeting laser (as seen in predator 1, 2 and AvP, also the computer games) of which i was a huge fan in my formative years (and thus would have been a much larger influence than SplinterCell). Also there is the Audi logo which looks suspiciously like my logo if you just resize all the circles and overlap them, in fact that's a hell of a lot like the Olympic logo! and the Toyota logo - all made up of arranged circles.... u get the point? I appologise for not knowing the intricate details of Kevin Foakes' life works and for not playing SplinterCell like you. this piece came from inside me - and inside me was influenced by what's around me, by what i see. if i was influenced by these things you say it was subconciously, not intentional. But i can honestly say i have no idea what any AmonTobin album cover looks like.

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kilgore-trout In reply to pley [2005-08-30 22:04:10 +0000 UTC]

i was gonna say the exact same thing

funny enough this zenon label releases are titled exactly like the zencd's
Your album --> [zencd002]
Amon Tobins Permutation = [ZENCD36]
Splinter Cell release (also from Amon Tobin)= [zencd100]


its a job well done...but like pley mentioned ...you should atleast be giving the proper credit in your description

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Sadrith In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 17:19:18 +0000 UTC]

Wow the music has artistic competition, i might just get the cd for the cover

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edit-dsn In reply to Sadrith [2005-09-04 23:52:28 +0000 UTC]

hehe

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edit-dsn In reply to expressive-silence [2005-09-04 23:52:10 +0000 UTC]

glad to hear, thx mate

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polel In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 15:00:25 +0000 UTC]

my fav cover cd

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WuZiWuG In reply to ??? [2005-08-30 13:45:13 +0000 UTC]

I would buy that CD

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