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Illustration for Techniques II - Noah's Ark. This is Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth passing the time on day 48...12x16 Gouache on illustration board
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Giraffes and Giant Tortoises are pretty big animals. So are rhinos, and elephants – sort-of like dinosaurs...
Your excuse when people say dinosaurs were too big to fit on the ark is; “Oh, Noah would have had baby dinosaurs.”
Yeah, because that makes it soo much easier to care for them all... The baby mammals that all needed milk, the baby dinosaurs/dinosaur eggs that all needed to be kept at very specific temperatures, and fed diferent things...
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Which is why juvenile/adolescents would be a more logical choice. I don't think I ever said "babies."
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There's nothing logical about it. Juveniles would still be a nightmare for eight people to care for. Do you have any idea how big a staff the zoo (any zoo) needs? How everyone from the reptile keepers, to mammal handlers, to bird carers, (the list goes on and on...) need to be specifically trained to care for each type of animal. They take university level courses for that sort of thing. Did they have a vet on the arc? Or antivenom? What the hell qualifies Noah and his family to care for reptiles? Did they have electricity on the arc so they could apply heat lamps on all the reptiles (that are all most comfortable at different temperatures)? Or did they just wrap them all in a big cloth hoping their collective body heat would keep them alive? What about the mammals that have special diets? Some of them only eat nectar from certain types of trees and nothing else. Noah must've had a massive amount of that stored up to keep them. What about the nocturnal mammals? Noahs’ family must've been up at all hours feeding them. How about the marsupials? Koalas only eat certain types of gum leaves. Gum trees only grow naturally in Australia. So how did they make it from Mount Ararat to Australia (Which is an island by the way), without any available food along the way? Did Noah pack them a little lunch box?
All that aside. Let’s say they make it. And all the animals go their separate ways. Inbreeding is a big enough problem with animals (and people) even considering the massive population numbers of today. Do you honestly think two of every “kind” are enough to repopulate the earth?! That’s nowhere near enough genetic variation to ensure a healthy population...
Logical?! Please.
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Animals are incredibly adaptable. They can survive in many climates and conditions and adapt quickly to different food sources (not just the climates they are the most comfortable in, or the foods they most prefer). Some animals can hibernate or go dormant for long periods of time. Lions have been known to survive on milk and grain, and pandas can eat just about anything (not just bamboo shoots). And let's not rule out a degree of ingenuity/technology, which ancient man appears to have had in no short supply.
No one's saying that the task would have been a piece of cake. But it was well within the realm of possibility.
"Do you honestly think two of every “kind” are enough to repopulate the earth?! That’s nowhere near enough genetic variation to ensure a healthy population..."
Yes. The amount of mutations accumulated in the genetics of present day humans and animals wouldn't allow for this today, but it is plausible (and likely) in the past. Our genes are very diluted by mutations, as scientists have known for 50+ years now. John Sanford has written a convincing book on genetic entropy that you should probably check out.
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“Animals are incredibly adaptable.”
Yeah, but certainly not that adaptable buddy.
“They can survive in many climates and conditions and adapt quickly to different food sources.”
Not that quickly. That’s why 90% of all life on earth that has ever existed is now extinct, because they can adapt soo quickly...
“(not just the climates they are the most comfortable in, or the foods they most prefer). Some animals can hibernate or go dormant for long periods of time.”
Yeah, koalas are going to start grazing on grass (which according to you was waterlogged for the better part of a year) on the long walk from Mount Ararat to the island of Australia, even though they are biologically only suited to eating particular types of gum leaves (which is why they are so endangered today, but oh wait that’s right, they’re incredibly adaptable. The zoos and wildlife parks around Australia are worrying for nothing. Give them some grass, they’ll be fine. They’re only fussy eaters... 
“Lions have been known to survive on milk and grain, and pandas can eat just about anything (not just bamboo shoots).”
Yeah, just because they have been known to in captivity, doesn’t mean they will choose this in the wild. You don’t see African lions breaking into farmyard barns at night and stuffing their faces with grain because they just can’t get enough! They break in and kill sheep and cattle, because they are carnivores. That’s what they eat. If some asshole decided to starve a lion in captivity by giving it nothing but milk (which, so what if it drank? It’s a mammal, we all drink milk) and grain, you can sure as hell bet he was going nowhere near that lion. Can you imagine how hungry/malnourished that lion was?! Any lion tamer with half a brain knows that you feed your lion very, very well before even thinking about approaching it.
“And let's not rule out a degree of ingenuity/technology, which ancient man appears to have had in no short supply.”
How about, let’s not make up stuff about Bronze Age people and pretend they had technology they simply didn’t.
“No one's saying that the task would have been a piece of cake. But it was well within the realm of possibility.”
No, they’re not saying it was a piece of cake, they’re saying it was ludicrous. Keep telling yourself that.
“Yes. The amount of mutations accumulated in the genetics of present day humans and animals wouldn't allow for this today, but it is plausible (and likely) in the past. Our genes are very diluted by mutations, as scientists have known for 50+ years now. John Sanford has written a convincing book on genetic entropy that you should probably check out.”
No, genetics wouldn’t allow it today, and it wouldn’t allow for it back then. There’s no reason to assume that the rules of genetics would bend just to make your story float which is exactly what you’re trying to do. It’s not likely at all. And no, our genes are plagued by harmful mutations, especially the ones resulting from severe inbreeding. Just look at the british royal family.
Every single ‘point’ you’ve made here has been a speculative excuse to plug the huge number of holes that even children can poke in the arc story. Stop taking it literally, understand its message.
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"Yeah, but certainly not that adaptable buddy."
1) Animals aren't adaptable enough to live on a boat for a year? As an evolutionist, I would have thought you'd have more faith in nature than that.
"Not that quickly. That’s why 90% of all life on earth that has ever existed is now extinct, because they can adapt soo quickly..."
2) You're assuming that all the animals on the ark would have been adapted to today's climate, rather than to that of their ancestors of 5,000 years ago, which was probably very different.
"Yeah, koalas are going to start grazing on grass...even though they are biologically only suited to eating particular types of gum leaves..."
3) See #2.
4) As for the lions, Little Tyke was not force-fed. [link] Meat actually made her sick, because her body was not adapted to it. If a lion could survive and be perfectly healthy on a vegetarian diet (and since hunting is skill that is learned from the parents), it is entirely possible that lions could have been vegetarian for several generations. Later, when meat again became available, they would have learned to hunt again, supplementing their diet with meat until it eventually replaced the plants they ate. I'm also aware of several house cats that have become vegetarian by choice—simply because they were mimicking their owners. It doesn't appear to affect their health in the least.
"How about, let’s not make up stuff about Bronze Age people and pretend they had technology they simply didn’t."
5) You mean the non-existent technology that built the pyramids?
"No, genetics wouldn’t allow it today, and it wouldn’t allow for it back then. There’s no reason to assume that the rules of genetics would bend just to make your story float which is exactly what you’re trying to do. It’s not likely at all. And no, our genes are plagued by harmful mutations, especially the ones resulting from severe inbreeding. Just look at the british royal family."
6) The "rules" of genetics haven't changed. The amount of real information in the genome has changed, and even evolutionists have admitted this: [link] Besides, the second half of what you said contradicts the first half. If we have harmful mutations resulting from inbreeding, then it is obvious that at some point in the past our genes would have been "purer," thus allowing for said inbreeding.
"Every single ‘point’ you’ve made here has been a speculative excuse to plug the huge number of holes that even children can poke in the arc story. Stop taking it literally, understand its message."
7) If there is even a single plausible explanation, it isn't a hole. It doesn't matter how "likely" you think it is. History is full of unlikely achievements and outcomes.
8) And what is that message?
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how awesome! Everything, from the perspective, to the colors, to the animals' expressions is brilliant! <3
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Could do with some dinosaurs, seeing as they were on the Ark as well
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Both the idea and execution are excellent, but I think it's the onlooking animal's expressions (especially that turtle on the left) that just make this so awesome.
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That's probably not too far from how it actually went. Imagine if they had tried to play I Spy.
"I spy with my little eye... something blue"
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Haha, right! I suppose they could play "guess what animal I'm thinking of."...
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That would be something else to do. Man, it must have been boring.
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The title and the expressions are hilarious. 
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40 days is a long time . . . the cabin fever could get maddening 
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Actually, Noah and his family were on the ark for more than a year. It would certainly be difficult to pass the time!
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Oh yeah . . .the 40 days doesn't count the amount of time it took for the water to go down
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Correct. The 40 days was how long it rained, i.e. how long it took for the water to cover the mountain tops. Even after the ark rested on Ararat, it was another seven months before the ground was dry and God called Noah's family out of the ark.
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True. It was enough water to cover all the mountains 
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Noah and his sons' legs seem rather short (the short table probably has something to do with that)...but this is a wonderful concept.^^ The gentle innocence of the animals is absolutely adorable; I'm particularly fond of the tortoises.
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Thank you. I was going for a stylized look, but the figures are kind of riding the line between realism and caricatures. Which isn't ideal. The animals are a bit more clearly stylized.
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Hmm, I wasn't really paying attention to the caricaturization of the figures, though I noticed it with the animals.
You're welcome.^^
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Really fun! And the animals also play with aces lool
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Thanks! Maybe the aces taste better?
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Haha! This is pretty awesome and cute! x3 I love the expressions on the tortoises and giraffes!
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It looks like the giraffe is whispering advice to Noah.
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That, or she's telling her husband to put the card back. ^^
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