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This illustration was designed for one of my clients to advertise a special night of teaching on Marriage and why it is so sacred. They posted the sermon on their website so I decided to listen to it. I was so impressed with how thorough and informative it was that I decided to take down notes and share it with you lovely people.My notes are below. You can watch the sermon here: www.revival.tv/sermons/topical...
Intro - The Authority of Scripture
Everyone has a source of authority by which they determine right and wrong. That source of authority might be their own intellect, experiences, parents, religious traditions, etc. As Christians our source of authority is scripture (not to say that we can't use intellect, etc.).
1. The creation of God - Genesis 1:26
2. Commitment/covenant between man & woman - Genesis 2:24-25, Matthew 19:5, Ephesians 5:31
God's design for marriage:
(Marriage is under attack because it reflects the nature of God.)
3. Control of sexual desires: 2 Corinthians 7:1-5
Polygamy (Genesis 4), Adultery (Gen. 16), Homosexuality (Gen. 19), Fornication (Gen. 34), Rape (Gen. 34), Incest (Gen. 38), Prostitution (Gen. 38).
4. The care of children
This link will take you to a secular (non-Christian) report done by the Witherspoon Institute on Marriage and how it effects our culture: winst.org/wp-content/uploads/W...
5. The comparison to Christ and the church: Ephesians 5:32-22
Closing - Call to action
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Comments: 173
KatieHarp In reply to ??? [2013-07-13 23:17:54 +0000 UTC]
I believe if you have to sit and comb through the bible to look for a stray sentence to help your cause-- you're missing the whole point of the religion.
But, I am glad you feel so strongly about something and want to stand up for it. I don't agree with it, for more than one reason, but never-the-less it is nice to see passionate people.
After all, if we were all the same this world would be a boring place.
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Emberblue In reply to KatieHarp [2013-07-15 17:12:22 +0000 UTC]
Thanks for the comment and for stopping by.
The pastor wasn't pulling out obscure verses from the Bible to prove his cause. Β He was just teaching what the Bible says.
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Tamoshi In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 22:09:45 +0000 UTC]
It is a great picture, well done. But, there are two reasons that no one will ever tell me that marriage is sacred. 1. Divorce 2. Infidelity. When the Bible was written, there was no such thing a divorce and adultery was a crime. We don't live in that world anymore and I don't see why, if a straight man can marry and divorce several women and cheat on all of them, that a same sex couple shouldn't be allowed to marry one another. Just my p.o.v, but nice work on the picture.
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amanda2324 In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-12 22:40:19 +0000 UTC]
A sacred thing or sacred concept is sacred whether or not people treat it as such.
Just like a human being is valuable, whether or not people treat that human being as such.
Marriage is sacred because it /is/ sacred. It's sacredness is not dependent upon the mere opinions and actions of humanity.
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 00:16:36 +0000 UTC]
Marriage is just an idea, a concept, and not everyone feels the same way about it. What is sacred to one is not always sacred to another. I guess mostly because the "sanctity" is also just a concept.
But, for me, having value and being sacred are not the same thing. Money has value, but isn't sacred (to me). Friendship has value, but how many of us consider it sacred?
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amanda2324 In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-13 00:59:05 +0000 UTC]
You speak from a relativist stand point; I speak from an objective stand point. According to Christianity, yes, it is sacred. Marriage would also be considered sacred from a naturalistic, scientific, or objective point of view, because it is set apart from all other relationships (sacred meaning "holy" or "set apart"). It is different from friendships, sibling relationships, co-worker relationships, etc. Not only is it set apart, but it is essential for our continued existence and survival, unlike all other relationships.
I don't have much of an interest in continuing a discussion with a relativist, though. Relativism is too vague and limitless. For example:
Murder is just an idea, a concept, and not everyone feels the same way about it. So we cannot call murder (or replace murder with rape, child molestation, stealing, or any other bad thing) a crime because not everyone sees it that way? Shall we stop punishing people because not everyone views it as a bad idea or concept?
That's the problem with relativism. If all truth is relative, then you cannot go around telling other people that what they do/believe is wrong and that you are right. That also means you're not allowed to punish people for doing wrong, because their beliefs of right could be different from yours.
And yes, I have met people who believe that murder, rape, child molestation, etc., are perfectly fine actions to commit.
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 02:36:42 +0000 UTC]
I only speak from my point of view, actually. And no marriage is not essential to our existence. People have existed long before the concept of marriage. And I hardly believe that thinking of marriage as an abstract concepts puts me on par with advocating murder, rape, or child molestation. But since you conveniently have lost interest in the conversation, I suppose my opinion is void anyway. Always so convenient to just end the conversation on your own point.
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amanda2324 In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-13 02:56:53 +0000 UTC]
"And no marriage is not essential to our existence. People have existed long before the concept of marriage."
Actually, marriage is essential, if you consider the fact that marriage exists as supporting the union of a man and a woman to create a family. The family unit is essential to the survival and existence of mankind. Since marriage is meant to support this, then yes, it is still accurate to say that marriage, as defined as one man, one woman, is essential the survival and existence of humanity.
"And I hardly believe that thinking of marriage as an abstract concepts puts me on par with advocating murder, rape, or child molestation."
That doesn't address anything I stated. Because no, it doesn't put YOU on par with them, but murder, rape, and child molestation are also abstract concepts that we apply to certain actions. The wrongness of this or that action.
"But since you conveniently have lost interest in the conversation, I suppose my opinion is void anyway. Always so convenient to just end the conversation on your own point."
But guess what? I didn't just end it on my own point. I only expressed my disinterest, not that I wanted to end the conversation. But your opinion was void to begin with. Not your fault, of course. I'm just overly picky about who I listen to.
That and it's too dang hot where I am to muster interest in much of anything.
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 03:17:24 +0000 UTC]
Families exist without marriage. Case in point, homosexual couples that adopt. The parents can't legal be married, but they are still capable of creating a happy, unified, stable family.
Secondly, there was no reason to bring up murder, rape, or abuse in this conversation at all. They have nothing to do with marriage or anything we were discussing. Thus, it can be assumed that by introducing them you are in some way comparing my belief that marriage is an abstract concept with people who use this as an excuse to justify heinous actions. Something I take great offense to, as I am a mother and an upstanding citizen that has never committed any sort of crime.
Thirdly, if you only wish to discuss your points of view with people that agree with them or support them, the internet is not the place for you.
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amanda2324 In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-13 12:56:46 +0000 UTC]
"Families exist without marriage."
And they're less likely to last as long. Plus, the male is more likely to leave the family unit, abandoning the mother with the children.
"Case in point, homosexual couples that adopt. The parents can't legal be married, but they are still capable of creating a happy, unified, stable family."
With someone elses children. Opposite-sex couples do not require someone else's children to make a family. Which is why we support them. When there is no longer any children to be adopted, then same-sex couples will no longer be able to do anything. So your point is moot.
"Secondly, there was no reason to bring up murder, rape, or abuse in this conversation at all."
Oh yes, there was at the time.
"They have nothing to do with marriage or anything we were discussing."
False - you were talking about how abstract concepts mean different things to different people. I point out that the things we label "crimes" mean different things to different people. And what right do you, or do I, to force our opinion on what these things mean upon others?
"Thus, it can be assumed that by introducing them you are in some way comparing my belief that marriage is an abstract concept with people who use this as an excuse to justify heinous actions."
Yes, because I'm questioning your conclusion. You take on a relativist stand point when it comes to marriage, but all of a sudden, when I bring up things that you're biased against and don't like, you all of a sudden clam up. That is an interesting reaction.
"Something I take great offense to, as I am a mother and an upstanding citizen that has never committed any sort of crime."
I never said you committed any sort of crime. Instead of answering my challenge, you just whine that murder and rape just so happened to be in the same sentence as marriage. Won't you at least try to understand the argument put forth and answer it?
"Thirdly, if you only wish to discuss your points of view with people that agree with them or support them, the internet is not the place for you."
Who said? You? And why should I care about your mere opinion about where and when and how I use my freedom of speech? By what authority are you telling me that that's how things supposedly are?
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 15:53:05 +0000 UTC]
Also, just a side, while same sex couples are genetically sterile, they are still capable of passing on their genetic material through surrogates, sperm donation, and IVF.
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 14:27:29 +0000 UTC]
Yes, someone else's children, the children that no one else would take care of. Isn't that equal to insuring the future generation is cared for? In ways, it is much better than same sex couples fueling an already over populated society.
Single parents also provide stable, loving homes for their children, so again marriage is not vital to our existence.
Crimes are legal defined and not really abstract concepts at all, if you ask nearly anyone they would agree that murder is "the willful and intentional taking of another life" where as if you ask about marriage
- A Christian might say it is the SACRED union of a man and a woman.
- A lawyer might say it is the LEGAL union of a man and a woman.
- A Mormon might say it is the marriage of a man and a GROUP of women.
- A racist might say that it is the union of a WHITE man and a WHITE woman.
- A gay marriage supporter might say it is the union of two PEOPLE that LOVE one another.
And as for the last comment, no I do not assume to tell you how to use you freedom of speech. But you said you were uninterested in discussing this subject with a "relativist" (which I am not), yet you responded to my comment which clearly expressed an opinion you found to be "relativist". The internet is full of people of opposing view points and the freedom of speech you so enjoy is equal to ALL of them. So, if you are uninterested in our opinions, you may not find it an "interesting" place to be.
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amanda2324 In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-13 14:37:43 +0000 UTC]
"Yes, someone else's children, the children that no one else would take care of."
Assumption, and a false one at that.
"Isn't that equal to insuring the future generation is cared for?"
No, because a couple of the same-sex is fundamentally different from a couple of the opposite-sex. Opposite-sex couples provide a unique and irreplaceable home environment.
"In ways, it is much better than same sex couples fueling an already over populated society."
Same sex couples wouldn't fuel anything. By nature, they're sterile. And if they would go about getting children that are biologically related to one of them - guess what? They're already doing that. So your assumption that they'll just magically stop is incorrect.
"Single parents also provide stable, loving homes for their children, so again marriage is not vital to our existence."
Yes, marriage is, because marriage centers around both the creation and stability of a family. Can single people produce children? No. And from talking to people who've grown up in single-parent households, their needs as children were not always met. And their desire and need for the parent opposite of the sex of their current parent was never satisfied, either.
"Crimes are legal defined and not really abstract concepts at all"
Laws are abstract concepts, too. You haven't refuted my statement at all. Just because an abstract concept is a law doesn't magically make it no longer an abstract concept.
"The internet is full of people of opposing view points and the freedom of speech you so enjoy is equal to ALL of them. So, if you are uninterested in our opinions, you may not find it an "interesting" place to be."
Well, I find it interesting anyways. But my level of interest does not inhibit me from using it however I please, and that includes stating my political opinions, or asking questions.
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Tamoshi In reply to amanda2324 [2013-07-13 15:40:51 +0000 UTC]
I like how you can justify your point of view by simply telling me mine are "false", great reasoning in that.
And it's interesting how you give more value to same sex couples for their capability to breed, than to same sex couples that are equally capable of providing a stable, happy family unit to kids that don't belong to them. Also, I never expressed the idea that anything would "magically stop". Don't try to belittle my intelligence by putting words in my mouth, it's not a clever way to debate. Further, there will ALWAYS be children out there that need a home, and I think gay couples are doing the world a service by providing one.
As for single parents, since you have the vast experience of "having talked to people", I guess you know FAR more than I do about that. But, that still doesn't mean that marriage is the only way to provide a solid, stable family unit. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie (as well as MANY less famous couples) are raising happy, healthy families with out the oh so sacred rite of marriage. It is absolutely possible, whether you would see it that way or not. It is in practice in our society and it works.
As for laws, it is their ability to be DEFINED that causes them to no longer be abstract (not that "magic" you keep going back to). If you open a book of laws, they are spelled out in black and white. The majority of our society has the SAME definition of what they are, that removes their abstraction.
As a side, since you are so found of that word MAGIC. Being married doesn't MAGICALLY make people more capable of leading a good life, raising a stable family, or anything else for that matter.
And lastly, yes you should feel free to express your political views on the internet. All I'm saying is that I too (and any other person) has that ability as well. These words that I am typing right now have no less value than the ones that you wrote to me. They are equal in their expression of BELIEF systems. What I believe is mine, what you believe is yours. I don't need you to live by mine, and I am certainly free to not live by yours.
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abellius In reply to Tamoshi [2013-08-09 19:21:56 +0000 UTC]
I read your back and forth with amanda2324 and it looks to me like you lost this debate.
Sorry, you can't pick and choose what is right and wrong with relativism for it is all relative.
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Tamoshi In reply to abellius [2013-08-11 17:52:27 +0000 UTC]
The debate wasn't about relativism, it was about gay marriage.Β On a more basic level it was about points of view, she has hers and I have mine.Β There was no winner or loser, it was just two people discussing a topic of interest.Β At the end of the day neither of us changed our opinions.Β
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abellius In reply to Tamoshi [2013-08-12 01:47:03 +0000 UTC]
True, neither one of you changed your minds, but there are winners and losers in debates.
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Tamoshi In reply to abellius [2013-08-12 05:21:30 +0000 UTC]
Everyone has their opinions, I'm sure some people will read that conversation and say that I lost.Β Some might say that I won.Β Either way, I think we both did a good job of defending our points of view and that we both learned something from the exchange.Β That's really all I was hoping to get out of it.
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abellius In reply to Tamoshi [2013-08-12 05:54:28 +0000 UTC]
At least it was mostly civil, which is becoming more rare and rare on dA.
I wish you luck on your future endeavors.
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Tamoshi In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-13 16:08:52 +0000 UTC]
Second line * Opposite sex couples for their...
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Emberblue In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-12 22:26:14 +0000 UTC]
I appreciate your opinion. Β Thanks! Β
Did you read all of my notes? Β Marriage is sacred, that is why divorce and infidelity should never happen. Marriage is supposed to be forever. People get divorced and cheat on each other because they don't understand (or don't care) about how sacred marriage is. Β Marriage is sacred and people should treat it like it is sacred...but sadly they don't.
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Tamoshi In reply to Emberblue [2013-07-13 00:13:32 +0000 UTC]
I understand how you feel about it, my mother is also very much in that camp and we have talked often about the religious implications of the whole thing. And, truly, I believe in a monogamous and dedicated marriage. However, I don't feel that what I believe in should set the standard for how everyone around me lives. Every person on this earth has the right to choose what is right for them. Thank you for the understanding response.
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Emberblue In reply to Tamoshi [2013-07-15 19:50:29 +0000 UTC]
I totally understand what you are saying. And I agree with you. Β I don't have the right to choose what is right or wrong for someone else. But God does. Β I just do my best to agree with what God says.
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Tamoshi In reply to Emberblue [2013-07-15 21:51:27 +0000 UTC]
That's all any of us can really do, try to live by what we believe is right for ourselves.
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ChadHarlow In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 21:59:49 +0000 UTC]
I don't agree with the subject matter in any way shape or form. That being said this is very well done. The purple type is perfect and everything is concise and well placed. I'm a little shaky on the pink and darker blue with each other , but I imagine that that is personal preference.
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Emberblue In reply to ChadHarlow [2013-07-12 22:28:41 +0000 UTC]
I understand. Β This didn't come from me, it's what the Bible says.
Thanks! Β I wonder if the colors are showing differently on your monitor than on mine. I don't have any blue in there, but I do have several shades of teal.
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ChadHarlow In reply to Emberblue [2013-07-12 22:35:06 +0000 UTC]
ok, yeah I have issues with color sometimes XD in any case its a good design.
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TrustySidekick In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 20:42:17 +0000 UTC]
Beautifully done. The composition, color palette, and execution are flawless! And I like the subject matter, too!
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jazmin2hip In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 16:19:28 +0000 UTC]
Amazingly made! I'm keeping the link to this. ^_^
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Emberblue In reply to jazmin2hip [2013-07-12 16:44:57 +0000 UTC]
Thanks! Β God gets all the credit. The links are a really good resource to share with people.
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Emberblue In reply to LandonLArmstrong [2013-07-12 16:45:10 +0000 UTC]
Β Many blessings in Jesus!
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Lady-Weavile-461 In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 04:01:16 +0000 UTC]
Thank you for having the bravery to put this here yes Marriage is a Sacrament and homosexual 'marraige' is a Sacrilege
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Emberblue In reply to Lady-Weavile-461 [2013-07-12 16:48:10 +0000 UTC]
Your epic-ness made me smile inside. And laugh. Β Thanks! Β lol! Β I really appreciate your encouragement and enthusiasm. Β Just trying to do my part to stand up for the truth.
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Lady-Weavile-461 In reply to Emberblue [2013-07-14 02:24:13 +0000 UTC]
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Lady-Weavile-461 In reply to Emberblue [2013-07-15 23:40:43 +0000 UTC]
lol XD that emoticon
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inthebackground In reply to ??? [2013-07-12 03:19:42 +0000 UTC]
So true!
Wonderful artwork too.
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Emberblue In reply to inthebackground [2013-07-12 16:48:51 +0000 UTC]
You are very kind, thanks. Β Feel free to share the information. Β I think that most people don't know what the Bible says about this stuff.
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