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I feel a rant coming on. Also, I apologize for the horribly done words.Before you ask, I HATE Leafpool with every fiber of my being.
I think she's a Mary Sue. Or at least pretty damn close.
Alrighty then, time for a rant that will most likely get flamed by Leadpoop's fans.
"Leafpool couldn't control who she loved!"
I point Cinderpelt out to you. She had her destiny of becoming a warrior shattered and was forced to be a medicine cat when she fell to Tigerstar's trap. She loved Firestar very much, but she held in her feelings.
Leadpoop, on the other hand, became a medicine cat by free will only to get preggers by an OMGSUPERSPESHUL Journey cat.
"Leafpool's not a Mary Sue!"
Firstly, the super speshul snowflake name. Leaf for Leafstar and possibly Spottedleaf. And the suffix -pool? She got that when she discovered the Moonpool, when more experienced medicine cats could find it.
Then there's the whole "falling in love with Crowfeather" bullcrap. It's not "love". Here, I'll just quote Gabalot with this.
"Where was this "magical true love"? All I saw was a jealous Mary-Sue deciding she needed to have an all-so-special mate that JUST SO HAPPENED to be a prophecy cat, right after she found the Moonpool. Seriously." BAM, she got what she wanted in Twilight, and then she simply wanted even MORE.
And then she STILL plays a big part in OOTS, while her sister is shoved into the background.
"Leafpool doesn't deserve her pain!"
After breaking 2 CODES IN ONE NIGHT? As well as the fact that she got lots of flack after the whole Crowfeather ordeal? And let's not forget that while her former mate and her sister have to suffer pain from 'The Secret', but Leadpoop gets all this love and apology.
Yes, she does deserve all of the suffering she gets.
"But her kits hate her and she's a horrible warrior!"
If you mean a Mary Sue by "horrible warrior", then I agree. However, she's seen leading patrols now and her kits sympathize with her now. Not like she deserves it, anyways.
I'll add more when I can find more arguments to debate about.
But for now, the flamers can flame me all they want, but I'm still keeping my opinion. <3
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This is kinda poorly written. I still don't see how she's a Mary Sue. Β
(dont get me wrong, i hate leafpool lol)Β
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I hate Leafpoop.
I like Feathertail Β :3
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Someone else feels the same way I do thank god XD hey check out my profile. I got some rants up myself
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So it is okay to hate Leafpool, but not Hollyleaf? What?
P.S.- I hate Hollyleaf with every part of my heart, deal with it
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I mean, you can hate Hollyleaf as much as you want, but that won't change the opinions of others. We aren't saying YOU need to hate Leafpool, and we aren't saying you need to love Hollyleaf either. Where are y'all getting these ideas from?
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aaahh yeesh
this old comment would catch back up to me eventually
aint been on here for a year'but i can say i dont hate hollyleaf anymore. i really overeacted. she is a complex character who shouldn't of been killed off so quickly after her return
uhh bye
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What do they have in common? They're different characters with different situations. Though I'm open for a Hollyleaf discussion- it'd be nice to hear another point of view.
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Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you have to be a 'you-know-what' about it. Besides, your 'facts' are invalid.
"Leafpool couldn't control who she loved!"- Do you really think she wanted to be pregnant?
"Leafpool's not a Mary Sue!"- She didn't choose to be called Leafkit. Besides, saying "And the suffix -pool? She got that when she discovered the Moonpool, when more experienced medicine cats could find it." proves my point. Starclan chose her to find the Moonpool rather than choosing someone else.
"Falling in love with Crowfeather."- Leafpool didn't mean to fall in love. She didn't want to. And with Crowfeather being a cat who went on the journey... well, I'll just say this. Coincidences happen. Get used to it.
"Leafpool doesn't deserve her pain!"- She doesn't. She didn't want ANY of this to happen, but when it did, she did what she thought was right.
"But her kits hate her and she's a horrible warrior!"- Guess what? They meant 'horrible warrior' when they said horrible warrior. I know, surprising.
Seriously, I can respect your opinion as long you don't be all like "This cat sucks and they're terrible and they're a Mary Sue/Gary Stu and I can't feel empathy because I'm really ignorant-" and so on.
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I personally, do not like leafpool, as I feel she was "Firestar's Princess.
She couldn't own up to her mistake, and instead dumped it on her sister, effectively ruining Squirrelflight's life, her relationship with Bramblestar, and her relationship with her niece and nephews. But, you can have whatever opinion you want.
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she didn't really 'dump' it on her sister. Squirrel chose to take care of leafpool's kits.Β
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I so agree with this.. This rant is just so illogical.. I see Leafpool having relatable flaws all the time, this person obviously needs to reread Midnight about a million times before writing a word about Leafpool again, lol. I saw people down below like "Her sister is so much better," and I freaking hated Squirrel at first. Squirrel still acts like an apprentice sometimes and I certainly don't hate her, I really like her for a lot of reasons and thenΒ
I just see people talking about Leafpool and her relationship 'ruining everything.' Her freaking forbidden love is not all her character is about. She's a kind, calm, gentle cat who I could see being relatable to people who have siblings they're close to. People just overexaggerate about Crow x Leaf's effect on everything.. a lot. It bugs me so much.
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I just feel like Leafpool is not a cat mature enough for a relationship, and the thing with Crowfeather was honestly created to give her a lover. But I could dismiss that.. however, when she became pregnant, she ruined the lives of Squirrelflight and Leafpool's kits, and also destroyed Squirrel and Bramble's relationship. That's really irresponsible. And even so, it wasn't her who owned up in the end- It was Hollyleaf. So, think whatever you want, but I think she's a jerk.
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I TOTALLY AGREE whrhen someone says "Leafpool is a jerk!!" I literally feel like I can rip them apart with a chainsaw (lol sorry well you said Leafpool fans can rant in the comments!!!
you just got owned ErureidoEXE!!!!
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I'm rather mad at lionblaze jayfeather and brambleclaw for being jerks to squrrielflight and leafpool .-. i'm alone on that aren't i?
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Honestly, they deserved the treatment they recieved from them. They had been lying to them about something incredibly important, and broke the trust between them. Wouldn't you feel incredibly betrayed if this happened to you? And don't tell me "no, she did it for the right reason" because that's bullshit. You would feel horrible and betrayed. Case Closed.
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yea im mad at them. although i do ship Squirrel X Bramble
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im going down the stream of hate for her but i'd rather drown spottedleaf in my lake of hate
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thank god fellow leafpool haters! she is so deep in my Warriors river of hate!
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I mean come on! how many people can you get caught in ONE relationship!? Cinderpelt, Brambleclaw, Squirrelflight, Breezepelt, Nightcloud, Ashfur,Β 3 cats born out of it, ALL of Thunderclan and Windclan
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Also, I hate how when Squirrelflight is forced to stand up to brambleclaw ALONE, Leafpool is just sat there like, "Crowfeather IM sorry, I cant be a med cat anymore, I love my kits bla bla bla me me me!"
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Squirrelflight defended her, "I had to! She's my sister!"
and Leafpool doesn't even help her, she just slinks off feeling sorry for herself! I LOATHE her!
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I hate Leafpoo sooooo much! her sister is so much better then her in many ways.
First of all leafpoo is supost to be a medicean cat but she falls in love with some random dude she supposedly loves? Honey, you don't even know the guy and your running away with him because you 'think' you love him? Also crowfeather somehow gets her pregnant! What were you doing when we weren't watching, I thought you were supost to be innocent but your running around getting pregnate! It's a teen pregnate all over again!
And when she does have the baby's (which she's hiding from her parents SOMEHOW) she gives them to her sister and ruins her relation ship with her mate! Leafshit just ruins EVERYTHING!
When hollyleaf was gonna kill her, that was the best part in the hole book! But hollyleaf let's me down and leafpoo lives
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I hate Leafpool. When Crowfeather said he never liked her and lionblaze,hollyleaf, and crowfeather weren't his kits and she wasn't his mate when Hollyleaf told the secret at the gathering she didn't even hiss at him or anything! For get about the no fighting at gatherings rule, if I was her I would've claws his eyes out and given him the killing bite! And she didn't even fight back when Hollyleaf was trying to poison her! She was the most sissiest cat in the warriors series! I can't believe more people hate squirrelflight than leafpool. squirrelflight is awesome and the love she had with brambleclaw was real! and for those of you who think she played with ashfur's emotions... she never did that! From what I've heard, the Erins even said at an interview that she never did such a thing!
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Yeah, the thing about her playing with ashfur is bull. She broke up with Bramble, so she dated someone else. Just like real life.
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I think the funniest thing about Leafpool is that a lot of people consider her one of the "strongest and smartest" characters in the series.
Girl wasn't even smart enough to dump Crowfeather or brave enough to tell him that he was being a dick at the Gathering
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Because she's a gentle caring cat who has sympathy and is actually relatable for not always being brave. It's like you want her to be a Mary Sue. Being strong doesn't mean you have to be strong all the time. I'd like you and all of the people who agree be strong and brave all the time, no matter what your heart tells you or what happens. Leafpool is also the cat whose kits umm, I don't know, SAVED THE FOREST. Without Crow x Leaf the prophecy wouldn't have been fufilled. Think about that.
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I don't hate her and she's not a crappy warrior! >:U
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TOTALLY AGREE *brofist*
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Ahem, Hollyleaf, I do remember you trying to feed Leafpool deathberries....
(Nah, just joking. I think Hollyleaf is awesome.)
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Same .3.
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I'd like to think that, if she had been written a different way, Leafpool wouldn't be a Mary-Sue.
Maybe if the Erins had tried to add more reason behind what had happened, she would be more likable.
For now, however, I continue to hate her with every fiber of my being. :K
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Reread Midnight again, please. About a million times.. Her being with Crowfeather seriously is not what her character is about. She's really relatable if you guys stopped exaggerating about the effect of her forbidden mate whose kits umm, I don't know, SAVED THE FOREST. Without Crow x Leaf the prophecy wouldn't have been fufilled. Think about that. :T
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Er, it could have been fufilled if Squirrelflight and Bramblestar had kits.. and, yeah, I think we've all read midnight. Just because it created the prophecy kits doesn't mean it was a realistic, good, or even legal relationship. And also "PRETTY RELATABLE??" Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there who can relate to her, who "have a special connection to starclan" and "ruin the lives of her children, her sister, and her sisters mate" and "refuse to own up to any mistake ever." Yeah, there are lots of people like that!
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I'm SO glad you made this...I hate Leafpool...(I hate saying her name too) And I hate CrowxLeaf, it's not REAL love, it's some fake cliched love that the Erins made up 'cause they didn't have much to work with. Leaf broke two Warrior Codes in one night and she gets all the sympathy? WTF? Leaf didn't do anything good, and many other Medicine Cats are better than her! Even Cinderheart is better, though I'm not a fan of her. Leaf doesn't get any punishment for breaking the code? Insane much? I think she's mary-sue too cause she has to be perfect or something and not get punished just because she's the Gary-Stue's daughter. (Yes, I hate Firestar too. And idiot and is too soft.)
I wonder why Squirrelflight gets all the hate, she didn't do anything to break the warrior code or try to do something bad, it's ridiculous! The series before Power Of Three was great, but on PO3 and the next series it was totally horrible! PO3 is so unrealistic I mean, Lionblaze can't be killed? WTF? Erins using some supernatural things to make it more 'interesting'? Warriors was better before PO3 like I said before. I don't get why Leaf doesn't get any punishment and instead gets sympathy, she doesn't deserve it! Leafpool is my #1 hated cat. But I do respect opinions on her, and I won't try to make them hate LP but I hate Leaf.
Squirrelflight deserved some punishment, but not the hatred toward her, she didn't do anything wrong...LP messed up one of the most cutest couples on Warriors! Yes, Squirrelflight could have told Brambleclaw about LP's kits, but that would be like betraying her own sister! I mean, LP could've just stopped the relationship when it started, BUT NO! SHE JUST HAD TO NOT GIVE A FREAKING CRAP ON THE WARRIOR CODE AND THEN GET ALL OF THE DAMN SYMPATHY. Leadpoop is one of the worst medicine cats ever!!! And then the fans say "OOOH YOU CAN'T STOP THE POWER OF LOVE!!!!" and crap like that. But I respect whoever likes LP, like I said, and I won't change their minds. But never will I ever like her. 
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*Shrugs* I think shes okay...maybe if she killed more then saved >;3
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God, thank you for this magical gift that was bestowed upon the world.
Leadpoop shouldn't get all the attention. I used to love Warriors, then Leadpoop, Dovemagicalsue, Liongarystu, Hollyderp and Jaysue came in. Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight aren't too bad in my book. Warriors was absolutely fantastic before the third arc. From, "No matter where you came from, you can be anything you desire to be," to, "Hurr, you are from Firederp's family, you are now magical and sue-ish!!111!!"
Yellowfang and Cinderpelt were better than all of them combined.
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Okay, yes she made stupid mistakes. But everyone does, especially when they don't know what to do at the time that something happens; they just act, without really thinking about it. And Squirrelflight could have told Brambleclaw about the situation before she took the kits off her paws. Really, it isn't completely Leafpool's fault that she lost her mate. She lied to him
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it was both sisters' fault agreed
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but at least Squirrelflight continued to defend Leafpool when she was facing Brambleclaw, while Leafpool was just silent and then went off feeling sorry for herself.
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Squirrelflight to me is much more likeable, because she handled it differently and in my opinion better. I defo agree that they should have just told Brambleclaw about it, but then if Leafpool hadn't gone off with Crowfeather in the first place, it wouldn't need to happen in the first place. Squirrelflight, when against Brambleclaw, defended her sister and continued to do so until the end even when she was forgiven.
I didn't really notice Leafpool defending Squirrelflight until they had to meet with Brambleclaw, Jayfeather, Hollyleaf and Lionblaze, and even then she didn't really stand up for her, more just said it was her own fault.
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Of course everybody makes mistakes (don't get how people justify Ashfur's tho...god hate him) but Leafpool didn't handle hers very well and I generally don't think she was very likable.
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(I know u posted like 2 yrs ago but I just couldn't resist xD)
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Leafpool refused to protect her own sister or even attempt to justify anything. She's got no fucking spine.
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Well still... Squirrelflight lied, as I said, just like Leafpool did. and Leafpool was just handling it differently; different cats have different personalities and deal with things differently. Leafpool deeply cares about a lot of the cats who don't even like her that much, and I don't think it's fair to her.. also I don't like the whole boundaries thing...imo love shouldn't have any boundaries and the cats have seen it happen plenty of times where two cats are together from different clans and have kits or a medicine cat falls in love. it's bound to happen, and if anything they should scratch that 'medicine cat's aren't allowed to mate' ruleΒ
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agreed, the medicine cat rules are crap.Β as for the boundaries, I guess it's like
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yeah they both lied, but I just think Leafpool handled it worse. but hey, different opinions
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Look, I understand what you're saying. She does deserve a punishment for breaking the code. But think about how you would feel if that happened to you. That's probably why lots of people sympathize with her. But I understand. You have made some good points, except for the Mary-Sue thing...
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I can't sympathise with a character who goes off scot-free from serious rule-breaking who otherwise would have gotten into some deep trouble. 
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So, it's from a book series?
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I agree with you on this.What Leafpool done was hard on poor Squirrelflight.Making Brambleclaw leave her was the worst of it I think.Why did Leafpool get the sympathy while Squirrelflight was hated by many.It was plain selfish.
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I really don't get how that makes Leafpool a marry sue, yes she did get a way with what she did but she lost her mate, calling as a medicine cat and her kits. I don't really care that Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw broke up, people can say this is all Leafpool's falt if they want but Squirrelflight didn't have to keep the secret and could of told Brambleclaw about it, so she can be at falt as well, two parings? I don't know what over one your talking about and if it's SquirrelxAsh they wheren't mates just good friends till Squirrelflight wanted to be Brambleclaw's mate. Yes I know that Ashfur loved her, but that still don't make them mates. Squirrelflight is a background character in all the oots books she put in the spot like in book 2 for a short time and in book 4... not sure about book 3 cause I can't reamber it that well and I also don't remeber Leafpool being in the spot light, it is Jayfeather Lionblaze Dovewing and Ivypool. It don't seem to matter that Squirrelflight is in the background she as there are a good number of people who hate her, even some characters form the books like Jayfeather, Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, and Brambleclaw. There may be more but that's all the characters I know of that hate her. You can say all you wish about Leafpool being a marry sue, but if you look at if Squirrelflight is one to, she lied to the clan like Leafpool and got away with she did lose Brambleclaw but she had it comeing for not telling me the truth long ago.... And thats the end of my very long rant
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It's ok for the long rant. I like stuff to read anyways.
I'm going to try to be as civil as possible here, and since I haven't read any OOTS books for a long time(gave up on the Warriors books after Crookedstar's Promise), so I apologize if I get anything incorrect. Feel free to correct me if I do say something inaccurate. ^_^
Well, firstly, it was to be expected for Leafpool to lose her mate. Most medicine cats get punished for falling in love anyways.
A lot of people put the blame on Squirrelflight as well. The reason I'm pointing fingers at Leafpool is because there was a much more drama-free way of giving up her kits. It probably would go like this:
Leafy finds out she's preggers
Leafy talks to her dad about the situation
Firestar arranges Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw to raise the kids
Leafy gives birth
Squirrely and Brambly get the kits
Leafy can go on with her medicine cat duties
There. Little to no drama was there, except that maybe Leafpool would have had to be honest to the Clan instead and put Brightheart as a temporary medicine cat.
Instead, Leafpool decided to just keep lying. That's one biggie why I hate her, if she was so "wise beyond her years" as we are told she is, she probably would have tried to think of the least drama-free way to solve the problem that wouldn't have been able to hurt her in the long run.
AshXSquirrel isn't a pairing I'm really fond of(I personally don't like the idea of Ashfur falling in love with his half-niece, anyways), but a lot of people claim that Squirrely is a "ho" or a "whore" because she got a little chummy with Ashfur.
Squirrely got shoved in the background when PO3 started(which was the most terrible book series I ever had the misfortune of reading. OOTS is better, but only by a litte)while her sister still played a huge role that she took over the story TWICE (TNP with her "furbiddun luv!!!!1111!1! story and PO3 with the fact that she gave birth to 2 magical cats)and she's still has a huge role to play in OOTS.(at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if the Erins made Leafy LEADER after Firestar dies) Squirrely, on the other hand, is shoved in the background by the time PO3 comes rolling around. Heck, in the 3rd book, Leafy appears at least once EVERY FEW CHAPTERS. Squirrely, on the other hand, is only seen once.
Yes, I do realize that the Three(save for Ivypool and Dovewing) hate both Squirrely and Leafy. As much as I hate Leafy, I think the the Three's douchebaggery is absolutely unacceptable. Squirrely and Leafy both tried to protect them(as terrible of an attempt they made), so they practically owe their lives to them. Yes, they have a right to be mad. But there's a fine line between being mad at someone and being a total asshole to them.
Being bossy, having a realistic mate, having realistic problems, having FLAWS β Mary Sue
Having a super speshul name, getting to do some things other cats in her place would never have the opportunity to do, giving birth to the most speshul cats EVA, having just about everything go your way and being an author's pet to one of the Erins, NOT HAVING ANY DECENT FLAWS WHATSOEVER = Mary Sue
And so Leafpool didn't get what was coming? Now I admit, I have no idea what went down when the kits were born. But I bet that both of them are to blame, as much as I love Squirrelflight. We also have no idea if she HAD to lie to Brambleclaw either.
Sorry about the huge textwall, and thank you for your opinion. Sorry if I don't make sense.
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Yeah, the book is weird because it keeps saying she's "Wise beyond her years" but never justifies it with actions. In fact, it does the opposite- Leaf is supposed to be "Wise beyond her years" but lies to the clan, makes a bunch of stupid mistakes, refuses to defend her sister, and ruins the lives of quite a few cats.
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