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Eternal-Spark — Humantity's Experiments: USSR
Published: 2005-04-30 02:43:17 +0000 UTC; Views: 7701; Favourites: 77; Downloads: 300
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Like the Nazi Failure one ([link] ), here's one for all those people who proudly make Communist-positive desktops. Sure, communism is still around in places, but the USSR had basically the best chance to survive, and died from within. A failure, in other words.Related content
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As if Capitalism never failed, There have millions of depression periods throughout history, and thousands of famines and revolutions against capitalist bastards. The only reason Capitalism still exist is because they never let go of their power and money and keep the working class poor and powerless.
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You don't call en experiment a failure when it's carried out incorrectly.
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LOL mostly the USSR lovers will look at this so they are mad.
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the ussr was socialist, and even the only by name pretty much when stalin took over
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Actually, the USSR never had communism as such. Communism is a philosophy and lives in the heads of the people.
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Uh.... what about China, Vietnam, North Korea, and Cuba???
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China: lets capitalist industries inside it's territory and exports many products fir the globe. They even do not call themselves 100% communists.
North Korea: most brutal dictatorship in the 21st century. If someone wants to be there, must be with a soldier and can not snap photos or enter places that the soldier does not allow. We all know why.
Also if you compare photos of the two Koreas seen from space at night you will see that North Korea is thrown in darkness. Clearly a proof of extreme poverty rates.
Cuba: Cuba does have poverty, and lots of it. If you see photos of Cuba seen from space at night you will see that the areas that a atracts tourists are the most well iluminated, while there are areas that are poorly iluminated if compared to the well iluminated ones (while there are many american states that are 100% iluminated at night), wich is strange for a small island.
Even if Cuba has lots of money it is thanks to someone called FULGENCIO BATISTA, as there are many researches that show that Batista increased Cuba's economic power. Ex: Cuba was the second country, after the US, to have colored televisions. And also the first cuban buildings were made in the Batista era.
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Really, communist nations are getting weaker and weaker.
Despite this, America isn't trying to expand its strength a whole lot anymore.
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You realise that the conditions the USSR was working in - a capitalist world, capitalists trying to destroy them, etc - they had no real chance to thrive. The original idea of communism by Marx was never truly followed. Lenin contradicted alot of Marx's ideas, because he believed that because of the capitalist world they had to simply change the machine rather than destroy it, which brought upon his ideas of 'vanguarding' etc. If anything, the capitalists are to blame for the 'failure' of the USSR.
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Marx's regime was utopian and his ideas always result in regime such as Lenin's or Stalin's.
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I'd like to see your proof if this, considering that capitalists have only really allowed for a rare few examples. Something cannot be good if it's only chance at survival is to be cold and detached.
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The proof is history itself. Must I remind you of Berlin's wall? Or about how many people kept fleeing from socialism to capitalism? There are lots of examples of the failure of socialism in history
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PS what should of been said is stalinism failed...along with leninism and others who basterdise the true communist ideal which has never existed.>>looks at USA hmm another basterd
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you know whats also a failure...democracy and their republics.No one stays on top forever.
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Communism: The ultimate difference between theory and practice!
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You did not say much, but you said well.
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One more thing: I replied a communist in his comment IN THIS ART. He did not reply me yet.
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some thing is not failed, if there is but one Heroic soul to fight for it
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Коммунизм еще придет!
Ешь ананасы и рябчиков жуй,
День твой последний приходит буржуй!
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and they only lead 100million lemmers to death
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Stalin didnt help. killed most of his own civilians
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It's a good thing we god fearing christian americans can know our ideals and systems are the stongest! All we need is an enemy and everything is good! First we hated the british then our neibours then NAZIs then Commies now liberals. It's good to define yourself by the people you hate!
DOWN WITH PEOPLE WHO THINK DIFERANTLY THEN THE GOVOURNMENT WANTS US TO!
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My name is ~Eternal-Spark and I dont have the SLIGHTEST clue of what communism is.
go read a book and make some politically literate art, would you?
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i'm afriad it's fundamentally wrong to say that the USSR had the best chance of survival when you consider that it had the US pitted against it from the beginning.
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communism cannot fail, it's individual actors who fail. since it's a worker republic, CCCP was the most democratic country ever founded. people's freedom was absolute and no other power was able to take the control. in addition to this, soviet union's production capacity was larger than any other country, perhaps larger than the whole british empire, even in the WW2 when they were in a catastrophic crisis. remember CCCP is the first country that built and used a sattellite(sputnik) without "failure". first country that dispatched a cosmonaut to space without "failure". theorically an ideology like communism can't fail, and did not fail, it's just damaged in CCCP because of its cultural situation. if in a country, health and education services, house-heating, water and electric is free, trust me guys, you may not speak about any failure, you may just look that wonder and say "avancez les partisans!"
by the way, CCCP was never alone in its foundation. republic of turkey was always with it in the war of independence.
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Confirmed non-resident of the Soviet Union
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кем же надо быть, чтобы мешать нацизм и коммунизм? никто из вас не может в полной мере судить об этом политическом режиме
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You know.... Mexico was governed by a political party called PRI (Partido Revolucionario Intitucional or Institutional revolutionary Party) for more of 70 years, I believe that a Humantity`s experiments would be perfect for this case.
Experiment name: PRI
Experiment duration:1929-2000
Experiment Final Analysis: FAILURE
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I have to agree with the author here. A very nice experiment to be sure, but a complete failure, the full ramifications of which will not be known for generations to come.
I must say, however, that the inherently violent and oppressive culture that Russia "enjoyed" prior to the Soviets taking seizing power had to have played some part in this.
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nothing to add
this is so true:
nazism, communism are failures and their supporters are fools or criminals
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"Maybe one day communism will take hold in america and things will change.
Too late. Communism had its chance during the cold war. and being a failure... it failed. heh.
Oh, and your 'nice article' exists on marxists.org. Can't be nice.
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your right eternal spark, human beings are designed by natural selection to prefer ownership over things such as Nintendo Wiis and BMWs, than to care if some person they don't even know has more/less money than them. this is proven by history and psychology
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>>Did you serously ever read some resources about this topic?<<
The only resource required were "what exists as a major ideological faction, and which ideological factions consist of a few tattered remnants".
Even your dismissable-on-sight links can even hope to counter this simple, and unarguable fact. My thanks to Moxy, who rendered your thoughts as equally dismissable before I could even do it.
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Sorry for the late reply, I just noticed your comment... You know, there is a button called "reply" on every comment, if you dont click on that, the person you are answering won't get a note about your reply.
What are you defending? Capitalism? Burgeois democracy? Because there's nothing that remained stable, really.
And to stay on-topic, I told you, most states that called themselves "communist", weren't really that, and so why do you get to the conclusion that the ideology is a faliure? And why ditch it anyway? Do you think it's good that capitalism and consumerism is destroying the world? The only reasonable thing is to stop it, and socialism is prooving to be the best way forward.
And you could elaborate why those sites are dismissable.... I would be curious about your opinion.
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*yawn*
Did you serously ever read some resources about this topic? Communists aren't the people who want absolute control over everyone with secret police and getting into war with everyone. As Redzanzibar said it before me, most, or morely all of the humanitarian laws are the fruits of the communists' and socialists' lobbying in first world countries. It's just a matter of time 'til capitalism gets back to its brutality and viciusness, which is so much its fundamental nature.
The USSR was a deformed worker's state. Lenin was too much enthusiastic about the revolution, he expected that the industrialised western countries will join in, but that unfortunetaly didn't happen. He expected Germany to follow short after 1917, but only Hungary followed in 1919, and that revolution only lasted 133 days. Thus, Russia was left alone, with its agricultural economy, and mostly backward populace, and, in top of all that, twenty countries attacking the country. Thus, Stalinism arised, restoring the bureaucratic system in the soviets, creating the secret police, and smashing the parliament's factions, leaving only the Bolshevik part of the Russian Socialdemocratic Party in government. Stalinism was the only way of creating a social state in one country alone, but the means by it was governed are hugely dismissable. With only the USSR being a "communist" country, it's influence was the only way forward to the forthcoming revolutions, in China, Cuba, etc. But, even with this deformed worker's state, the stalinists was able to create the best environment for the common man since the beginning of history. By everyone having jobs, money enough for everything, everyone being in some community, helping the needy, and doing social work together; education, healthcare free, etc.
And look at capitalism. I hope you learned about the expansion of the english empire... with India and most of the world. This is happening today too. The third world will always exist because there is a first world. Because the overall profitmaking idea of capitalism, the first world's corporate-influenced governments WANT those countries to be poor. The only cause: cheep labour. They make stuff for almost no money over there, then sell it to the well fed people of the first world for mostly 5-10 times the price of the creation of the item. It's just too much money to let go just because of benevolance... THIS is your capitalism. And the rotteness of the first world is that people think that if they're living well, that can be exported to the third world, but the people over there are just too backward to get capitalism (or as your President calls it - democracy) working. Wrong. Your lifestyle is STEALING. Think about this: you can only have more, if you take away from someone. The bourgeois would rob most people blind in their own countries, as they did back in the 19th century, the difference now is that they can rob people 1000+ kilometres away from the country, and thus they can let the classes below them to live better, thus not being uncomfortable with the system. It's as simple as that. It's we in the first world who can put an end to it. If we make revolutions in the first world countries, we could make this planet much more humane and better. Even if today's Russia would make a revolution, that would be better than now, with so much state and syndicate corruption.
If you're not as narrowminded as you seem at first, you should be open to all ideals, looking for yourself, if what what you learn in history class and what you hear, see in TV is actually what the thing is, here are a few links to explanations of Communism and Socialism:
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please read the whole "communism series" on the wikipedia site, with special attention to this article: [link]
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