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The second part of my world rights list. The list is more detailed, but this provides a faster, more visual version. If anyone knows of any inaccuracies here, let me know. I made some minor tweaks to the map (Sudan is separated into south and north now and Myanmar is now called Burma). I don't know if this is encouraging or discouraging to most people. To me, it is a bit of both.Related content
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thenameisCarbon [2013-06-19 06:51:26 +0000 UTC]
God dammit Africa!!!
It doesn't have to be like this... My Africa doesn't have to be a mess like this...
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to thenameisCarbon [2013-06-19 16:38:02 +0000 UTC]
It's pretty sad.
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RavenBiersack [2012-11-24 08:57:18 +0000 UTC]
I'm glad I live in NZ. Marriage for everyone will be legal next August
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Mephistophilez [2012-11-10 16:56:15 +0000 UTC]
Wow very informative map. That must have been a lot of work. I find it a little funny that certain places like the US, where only a small percentage of states and which have laws banning homosexual marriage and unions, and promotes even beyond its borders some horrible laws against homosexuals, are still in the same category as places like the Netherlands, Sweden and Norway. It almost seems like there should be another group above green. But I understand why you did it this way, and it's still very impressive. The difference between orange, red, and yellow is interesting, I wasn't aware so many places made the distinction between men and women like that. But wouldn't two women, in say Kenya, caught having sex still face the same sort of punishment as two men?
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Mephistophilez [2012-11-10 18:41:43 +0000 UTC]
I would expect there would be social repercussions, but the laws themselves don't explicitly say anything about lesbianism. In many places around the world, lesbians aren't really believed to exist since women are considered "sexually passive". They don't believe women have sex drive or the ability/desire to be the "active" partner in sexual acts. Thus, lesbians sometimes fly under the radar, legally at least. Also, yes, I was hesitant about making US green since there are many states that don't allow even domestic partnerships, but since there is SOME legal recognition of couples, I marked it as green. There are many other green countries that only provide the barest of recognitions, but it's better than nothing I suppose.
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Ravens-Folklore [2012-10-30 19:53:16 +0000 UTC]
This map interests me to no end I swear. I keep staring at it.
However, two things. First, Korea has...basically the same rights as we do in the U.S. They can't marry but they can be recognized legally for civil unions. The community of Korea overall isn't as accepting but that's not to say we're doing a very good job ourselves based on the states we live in.
I guess I figure Korea should count as a green country because while marriage isn't legal you are recognized for civil unions and domestic partnerships. I only know these things about Korea because I plan to live there so I research things LOL.
Second, as much as I love your map I would say it unfortunately disturbs me as well. How could any human being persecute someone and put them in prison or even give them a death sentence for being who they are? What's worse to me is the countries who only do it for men. So what if I'm a lesbian (I'm actually a transgender pansexual man) all of a sudden it's fine because...why? Because people seem to enjoy "hot lesbian action" or something? 8| I don't agree with that at all.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-10-30 20:59:35 +0000 UTC]
Aha, thank you for correcting me on that! Most of the green states are only civil unions or some very very basic form of recognition so you would definitely qualify. I figured that, with all the different countries I had to research, a few would end up being wrong.
It disturbs me too, but I try to comfort myself that there is much more green and blue than other colors. It also breaks my heart that men are so much more persecuted than women, but I don't think it has anything to do with hot lesbian action. Most of these societies are very, very patriarchal and men are considered the dominant ones, in everyday life and sexually. That also means that it is considered more wrong if a man allows himself to take the "role of a woman" sexually. However backwards that may be, it exists in our culture too. Gays are considered more "icky" than lesbians. Part of it is also that women are considered passive, sexually, so many countries don't really believe that lesbians exist because... a woman having a sex drive and taking control? Impossible!
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-31 00:04:51 +0000 UTC]
I never knew that about women, but I guess it's more that it's common sense and I just never thought about it before. Interesting point though, though still upsetting. I just hope one day while I'm still alive there will be another sort of civil rights movement focused on homosexuality.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-10-31 16:14:07 +0000 UTC]
It is in progress, but it will take a lot of time!
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-31 19:36:37 +0000 UTC]
True that, but I think with the right person willing to speak up a movement could be started and a lot of people would follow along. Someone would just have to be good enough with words to write a speech as compelling as Marting Luther King Junior's, "I Have a Dream."
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-10-31 19:51:52 +0000 UTC]
The reason that the women's rights and African American rights movements were so much more forceful is because they were both a LARGE portion of the population, even if they were minorities. It is so much harder when we're such a minority, people don't believe we truly exist (we're just rebellious/diseased/deceived), and many of us are afraid to even speak out about what we are. But it will happen, and people like us will make it happen.
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-31 19:59:54 +0000 UTC]
Honestly I myself wouldn't be afraid to speak out and cause a movement because I'm proud of who I am no matter what anyone says. 8| And I would start off in a way that makes me look like a normal, every day person and then I'd come out to them about being trans and pansexual and I'd hope it would raise the shock factor for at least a few people.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-01 13:47:55 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, people are getting a lot more forward these days, but that's a pretty new development. I mean, less than 20 years ago, homosexuality was ILLEGAL in the US, so it was very much an underground culture. You could still go to jail for homosexual acts. We're pretty newly past that and it's only the younger generation that is starting to really see systematic support for their orientation, even if it certainly doesn't come from everyone. I, for one, was brought up to believe that homosexuals were mentally ill people who had so much inner brokenness that they resorted to horrible perversions of nature to rebel against God. That's no exaggeration. For that reason, when I started feeling same-sex attractions, I was NOT proud at all. I was disgusted with myself. It took a while for me to research and find other people like me who didn't seem to be hateful, violent perverts. That's mostly why I joined GayBiWorlds... I wanted to find others to reassure me that I wasn't entering some depraved and dirty culture. I did a lot of soul searching before I could stop being ashamed of myself. Now I'm proud, but the scars of that time still haunt me and I have to challenge myself every day not to go back into hiding but to be open and forward about myself. The hardest part is that, in my state, I have no protections for my job if people find out I am a lesbian. Plus, I work in the private sector and a lot of the people I tutor are from private Christian schools. I might lose work if I let anything slip about my girlfriend and I hate that. I don't like feeling that I'm going back into hiding. I hope that people slowly become more tolerant so I don't have to fear for my livelihood anymore.
Haha, that was a long response. Well... there you have it.
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-11-01 20:37:35 +0000 UTC]
Naw it's cool I like long responses.
I honestly didn't know homosexuality was ever illegal here. I guess since I'm 20 years old, things from when I was really young I don't remember. The earliest things I recall about homosexuality being spoken of publicly at all..is when George Bush made it illegal to marry, but other than that I don't remember anything before that. I was just too young.
I myself live in Georgia, so I live in the heart of the bible belt with all sorts of strongly Christian, conservative people who are against homosexuality. My own parents are more open than a lot of parents, believing that people should just live however they want to live and no one has a right to try and stop us from marrying, especially when it won't affect their lives at all.
But my dad is antisocial and I rarely talk to him so he really doesn't know anything about me. And my mom I've always felt was a little..hypocritical? She says she's supportive of everyone and that's she's fine with it, but yeaaars ago when I was first exploring myself, I came out to her about being bisexual and she said it was a phase and I wasn't old enough to know who I really was yet. And then when she was mad at me for something, she called my dad up and told me to tell him about being bisexual as if she thought it would get me in trouble, and thankfully he just shrugged it off. He was like, "O..kay..?" And he got up and left LOL.
She says she's open but when it's her own child she's not. Years later as a transpansexual man, she says she understands I'm transgender but then pushes and stresses that I'm her /daughter/ and she uses my legal female name in a way that makes me cringe, and she really just doesn't understand me at all like she thinks she does, and she's really not as open as she says she is.
And then what's worse is she tells me I can't tell anyone else that I'm transgender because it's "not appropriate" to tell our friends and family. 8| And I'm like, "K so I can't tell people who I AM and who I'm comfortable BEING because /you/ want to keep some good reputation? Yeah fuck you too mom."
I remember I actually only came out about being transgender in April of this year, right after my birthday, and I came out to my trans friends because I knew that they understood what it was like and they would help me get by. Nope. Instead they all told me I was "too old" to just be finding myself and that I was just an attention seeking whore and I was lying to myself.
My true friends stuck by me and some of the people involved actually yelled at my trans "friends" who were causing problems for me. It's sad to think since then only one of them has grown up and realized he was wrong. And he's the one I made friends with first, yeaaaars ago in ninth grade. He was the only one who finally bucked up and said, "I'm sorry I was wrong and I've learned a lot since then, and I hope we can restore our friendship one day even though I understand that you don't trust me anymore."
And we've been slowly rebuilding our friendship but it's gonna take awhile after the things he said to me that hurt me so badly. He was the one who even started the drama about me coming out. I came out to him privately in a Facebook chat and he took the chat and posted it as his status and tagged a bunch of his friends and got them involved where they shouldn't have been because I dunno..he wanted backup or something. 8|
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-02 14:13:39 +0000 UTC]
By the way, Bush didn't make it illegal to marry so far as I'm aware. The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) was enacted by Bill Clinton, stating that there would be no federal recognition of same-sex marriage, but individuals states could marry same-sex couples if they wished. However, those marriages would not be required to be recognized in any other state. The Bush administration did support the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) which would put a constitutional prohibition on the recognition of same-sex marriages, polygamy, and even civil unions (homo and hetero) if I'm not mistaken. However, FMA failed repeatedly to pass Congress. The amendment could be resurrected, however, if we have a Republican-controlled House and Senate. Random politics of the day!
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-11-02 19:34:22 +0000 UTC]
I dunno really what happened so I assume the things you say are probably true since it seems you've looked them up. I just say he "made it illegal" because I was really young when it happened and it was simplified for me as a kid. My parents made it easy to understand by saying Bush was making it illegal for gay people to marry. Even as a kid though I knew what he was doing was wrong, because when my parents told me about it I got all huffy and asked how it affected his life and why he would be such a bully to people. 8|
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-02 14:00:52 +0000 UTC]
Hmm, I know how you feel about people thinking you're "too old" to be finding yourself. I felt pretty nervous coming out as a lesbian at 22 years old since most people nowadays say they knew since they were 9 or something. It made me wonder if it was just all in my head or if I was wrong or if it was a phase and all that. Eventually I came to terms with the fact that it's just not the same for everyone. The situation you grow up in, your personality, and a million other things affect how and when we come to understand and accept ourselves... especially since I was always misinformed about what being gay means. I'm glad that your friends are coming around.
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-11-02 19:31:54 +0000 UTC]
Mm well only one of them has come around as of now and the others I don't exactly know if I want them to come around. I've pushed them out of my life because they were bad people anyway.
I agree about the situations you're in and your personality and all sorts of factors affectiong how and when we're able to accept ourselves and "come out of the closet" so to speak, it's just that a lot of /other/ people don't see that or understand it and they seem to think if you didn't come out before a certain age you're just lying for attention.
The worst for me so far has been when my friends who DO understand call me "she" and "her" and my legal birth name anyway. When one of my friends hadn't seen me in awhile, she was like, "So do I have to call you Kyler now?" And I was like, "Yes or Ky."
And she was like, "Well dang Imma just call you _____(legal female birth name)." And I got really upset because even if she didn't realize it, it was completely disrespectful. 8|
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-02 19:43:29 +0000 UTC]
I lot of people really don't understand how cruel and disrespectful that is. The best thing is to be firm and say "No, that's not my name anymore." and just keep insisting. If they are good friends they'll change their behavior.
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-11-02 20:51:38 +0000 UTC]
I actually got kinda pissed because when she said that another friend of mine laughed and he was like, "Yeah seriously." And I was like, "Y'all can laugh all you want but it's seriously disrespectful and rude and if you can't understand that, it's not worth my time explaining." And they both shut up. 8| And yet they still use my female name and pronouns.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-03 13:05:44 +0000 UTC]
Tell them not to. If you're not willing to tell them they'll never change.
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Ravens-Folklore In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-11-03 14:11:49 +0000 UTC]
I mean I tell them constantly it's just starting to get to me since it's been months and they're still claiming they "just haven't gotten used to it" when EVERYONE ELSE got used to it on the first day. 8|
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Ravens-Folklore [2012-11-05 14:31:35 +0000 UTC]
Then they aren't worth your friendship. Period.
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CoconuttyFlavoredLOL [2012-10-20 12:47:25 +0000 UTC]
Some day we're gonna turn yellow, orange, pink and red into green and blue.
SOME DAY...
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to CoconuttyFlavoredLOL [2012-10-20 13:56:21 +0000 UTC]
SOME DAY!
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CoconuttyFlavoredLOL In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-20 14:56:07 +0000 UTC]
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TrickyCreature [2012-10-19 15:39:59 +0000 UTC]
Other way round: Burma is now called Myanmar.
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TrickyCreature In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-19 19:38:52 +0000 UTC]
Well, nobody is perfect. Don't ask me about physics and maths. *ggg*
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to TrickyCreature [2012-10-19 20:35:47 +0000 UTC]
Heehee but they're awesome!
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TrickyCreature In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-19 21:03:07 +0000 UTC]
Aaaaaah! Please, have mercy! Not maths and physics! Heeeelp! *ggg*
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to TrickyCreature [2012-10-19 21:08:08 +0000 UTC]
Derivative-particles-nebula-entropy?
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TrickyCreature In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-19 22:24:10 +0000 UTC]
Well, I'll have half a glass of it. *ggg*
*throws glitter and sparkles*
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GatitaZ [2012-10-18 22:38:29 +0000 UTC]
U.S is mixed, there are a few states where they can't marry.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to GatitaZ [2012-10-19 15:39:04 +0000 UTC]
Yeah, I know, I live here, haha! And it's not just a few where you can't marry but most where you can't. Still, the country offers /some/ form of government recognition so it counts as green. The blue countries have no recognition at all.
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GatitaZ In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-19 20:42:38 +0000 UTC]
Makes sense, I'm fortunate to live in a state where it is still legal, and I hope that it stays that way.
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to GatitaZ [2012-10-19 20:49:56 +0000 UTC]
Nice. I'm in a constitutional-ban state. We also have no protection against discrimination, so I can be fired for my orientation or refused service at a business. Way to go, "land of the free".
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to MewSakura17 [2012-10-19 15:39:21 +0000 UTC]
Thank you! I love to hear positive comments... especially since this was a lot of work .
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Bclark7113 [2012-10-18 18:48:05 +0000 UTC]
Ah, I never thought I was colourblind, but I can CARELY tell the difference between the green and yellow =/
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Bclark7113 [2012-10-18 19:15:43 +0000 UTC]
Hmm interesting. They look quite different to me, but I dunno about everyone else.
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Husky-21 [2012-10-18 18:34:17 +0000 UTC]
How come you don't have any records of Belgium and Luxembourg?
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Husky-21 [2012-10-18 19:16:07 +0000 UTC]
Oops, apparently missed them! There were so many countries to color, my eyes were crossing. I'll have to update it.
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Husky-21 In reply to EternalGeekExposed [2012-10-19 19:20:15 +0000 UTC]
thanks! ^^
-I'm from Belgium, that's why I noticed ^^ -
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EternalGeekExposed In reply to Husky-21 [2012-10-19 20:36:01 +0000 UTC]
Haha, mind telling me what color to make you?
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