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Description 7/16は七色の人形使いの日です

colored a sketch for Alice's day on Pixiv, since I wanted to color this a long time ago but never got around to it, and I never posted that on Pixiv to begin with...

Probably nothing special about it, particularly.

I had some emo moment when I drew this back then >_< Spring is such a nice feeling, but then summer always feels so... bland. Until it storms during the summer which is severe and beautiful //nonsequitur
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eva-st-clare In reply to ??? [2012-07-19 04:43:52 +0000 UTC]

Spring has a 'changing' feeling, like autumn, so for me it's... what it is. Although I prefer autumn. Summer is just kinda existing. :/ Spring has more of its own sensation for a while... When it's actually completed changing, it's lost the flavor pretty quickly. ;_;

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coldLord In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-19 13:05:59 +0000 UTC]

I find Spring and Summer to be... noisy.
As opposed to Winter where nearly all life is dead or hibernating.

I like it when snow muffles out everything.

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eva-st-clare In reply to coldLord [2012-07-19 13:33:26 +0000 UTC]

Yeah, I miss snow... except I don't miss driving in it, because I am in absolute terror of driving on icy roads. x_x

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coldLord In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-19 13:36:26 +0000 UTC]

AAHHAHAHAHAHA,
I CAN'T DRIVE.

I'M NOT LEGAL AGE YET.

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eva-st-clare In reply to coldLord [2012-07-19 14:09:12 +0000 UTC]

Awww... a wee babe

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coldLord In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-19 18:52:08 +0000 UTC]


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Maarika [2012-07-16 20:53:00 +0000 UTC]

I remember this. :> It looks lovely. These colours are cool, too.

I was gonna submit my pic too but looks like dA won't let me.

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Tarmo-Flake [2012-07-16 14:25:16 +0000 UTC]

Indeed, the expression denotes the artist's sadness. The gloomy eyes, an open mouth with thin lips, the wavy hair.

We all just need a hug sometimes.

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eva-st-clare In reply to Tarmo-Flake [2012-07-19 04:44:51 +0000 UTC]

It's funny i wasn't really sad when I drew it... but just... emo. XD To explain it would be, well I'd rather let people think what they want to when they look at it.

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Tarmo-Flake In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-19 14:35:03 +0000 UTC]

Isn't sad and "emo" the same thing?

Also, I don't mean deep sadness (that's depression), just some melancholy.

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eva-st-clare In reply to Tarmo-Flake [2012-07-19 17:09:00 +0000 UTC]

Depends on the emotion, something can be kinda happy but yet poignant or bitter at the same time...

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ZekeAxel [2012-07-16 14:02:04 +0000 UTC]

happy Alice day.

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ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-16 11:11:22 +0000 UTC]

I miss the time when there when people could be sad without being accused of being "emo".

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-16 12:10:48 +0000 UTC]

Me too.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-16 13:29:13 +0000 UTC]

All because someone had to create some stupid subculture.

Though the west in general seems to heavily biased against highly-sensitive people.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-17 02:58:38 +0000 UTC]

I was pretty much used to people telling me I was too emotional and so forth, so I probably internalized it and joke about it as self-defense. Here we don't look kindly upon introversion (and any mental illness or emotional problem) is still stigmatized, it's all a giant mess IMO. I've never been just seen as a normal person because I don't talk nonstop and would rather read a book than go to a party. Obviously there's something wrong with you that you need to fix if you are like that, it couldn't just be that you prefer doing something different.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-17 03:21:09 +0000 UTC]

Generally, since both introversion/extroversion and level of sensitivity is inborn, I consider social stigmatization of it to be a form of racism.

It's largely a question of ignorance. For example since I didn't know about such inborn features, I considered some of my friends who did stuff like inviting every other friend they met into joining a walk or a conversation, I thought that they are simply stupid or badly brought up. Then I learned that they are extroverts.

I think that in hostile environments and in light of these hostile attitudes encroaching in societies I think the introvert race should stick together and create support groups that would allow to defend itself from hostile extroverts and not be dependent on them.
There's a need for a strong introvert movement that would include famous and powerful introverts which would transform societies into ones that are more equal and racially tolerant.

Personally, I'm between INFP and INTP. Additionally, I'm not a 100% introvert, more like an ambivert, so I don't have problems with for example talking with people tiring me and stuff. And actually, I tend to talk a lot.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-17 03:37:18 +0000 UTC]

I'm usually INFP but I used to score soft on P/J. In certain situations I'm really talkative, if it's something I'm extremely interested in or I'm with people that I feel comfortable around. But extended socializing actually makes me tired and if I'm not in a good mood I can feel trapped and nervous in large crowds. So for me, it depends. but mostly I appear introverted to the average person I meet. I can function relatively normally in a social situation because I have to to make a living, but at the end of the day I want to be alone for a while to decompress from humans.

And yeah, basic intro/extroversion levels are usually at least somewhat inborn so I think it's wrong to consider one or the other as a 'problem' that needs to be fixed. Different types of people have different temperaments so they can take on different tasks in society. If we were all total extroverts who spent our time partying and mingling, a lot of other stuff wouldn't get done, and vice versa. I mean, there's a point at which someone can be really bad at social stuff to the extent that it's unpleasant, and well, that sucks I guess. But just having a more subdued personality or differnet interests in life doesn't mean there is something wrong with you. No matter how hard I try I'm bound to meet someone who finds me unpleasant just because I am not extremely extroverted and loud and super jubilant. That's their problem I guess, you can't please everyone. -__-

I just try to be 'extroverted' enough to be polite and get by. I used to have severe social anxiety as a child to the point of being terrified to speak in public, so actually I have changed a lot.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-18 03:16:02 +0000 UTC]

INFP shows in the style of your drawings. P/J shows in the level of your skill.

I'm generally I/E and F/T (which is kinda a curse because I end up too feeling for the thinking crowd and too cold for the feeling crowd. Also, I tend to fail at technical stuff despite having interests that would benefit from me being able to program and stuff like that). I wish I could achieve P/J so that I could achieve something in life.

I don't like partying. Mainly because it almost never features music that I like and features music that I dislike. Though, I once got party moving by asking the D.J. to play my favourite dancing song - Blackened by Metallica and dancing sober.

Exactly. And the worst is when the whole country's culture gets hijacked by one group. That's why activism and alliances re important.

How much is "extrovert enough" where you live?

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-18 06:36:38 +0000 UTC]

I dunno, enough that most people don't look at me like I have 3 heads (some people still do) I just overcompensate for my natural habits, like making more eye contact than is normal for me or being more demonstrative. But not so much that it feels totally fake and stupid for me. It's usually enough. :/ People still randomly remark on the fact that I'm soft-spoken, or will ask me if I'm 'okay' when nothing at all is going on, just because of how I look or something. I can't control it cos it happens no matter what I do.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-18 10:08:24 +0000 UTC]

That's pretty fucked up. I almost never encounter such attitudes IRL. I'm on a Polish forum about introversion and people often complain on stuff like that, though.

I live in Upper Silesia and from what I've seen ambiverts seem to be the majority here and introversion is seen as nothing out of ordinary. There aren't much very extroverted people here. Actually, I tend to have an opposite problem, that is people aren't very into small talk here, so I need to have prepared interesting conversation topics to talk with them (I usually don't have ones).

I wonder if that behaviour of extroverts is a result of them being a mojority due to USA being an immigrant country which attracted people with certain personality or specific social engineering to force extroversion on everyone.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-18 14:18:42 +0000 UTC]

My experience has been that people call me boring or think something is wrong with me/i have some kind of phobia or mental illness if I don't want to go out and party or I have less than ecstatic expression on my face when I'm feeling completely neutral. Or people on the street will walk up and command me to 'smile' or ask me what's wrong, when I wasn't doing anything or feeling out of the ordinary... just sitting by yourself or not constantly talking is seen as suspicious or something. It can't be that you had nothing to say at the time, or were thinking about something you needed to do later, or wahtever. I think even people who are introverts that I meet, a lot of them can fake it because they have to. If I meet someone I can tell is more introverted it's usually remarkable.

As a kid I was pretty talkative and such, but my favorite activity was reading and when I got in trouble, my mom 'punished' me by taking away my books. So it's not because I'm mentally sick that I really enjoy studying and quiet time, I seem to have been 'born' with that interest or just got used to spending time alone cos I was an oldest child.

I can fake making small talk sometimes if there is a conversation 'hook' but sometimes it's hard for me to think of stuff. I don't find just talking to people all day to be interesting in an of itself unless there is something interesting to talk about... I used to have a big problem of not being able to do this, I just learned how after doing customer service jobs for a while. But it's still not always natural feeling to me and I sometimes feel awkward... there's also the problem for me of not wanting to be TOO friendly to male customers at my job due to having had creepy/scary people latch onto me in the past. So in that case I temper my fake extroversion that i usually give to people, and make much less eye contact and smile less.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-20 02:35:12 +0000 UTC]

Your country definitely needs an introvert rights movement. Maybe it would be possible to hook up with some other anti-defamation movement and use it as an education platform?
It angers me when the mob forces non-evil people into suppressing their true nature .

I can't get any customer service job. Recruiters here tend to know who introverts are and easily recognize them. They tend to advice me to get an informatics job or artist or something like that.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-20 17:37:40 +0000 UTC]

Oh, don't think I chose these jobs because it suits me best. I don't have any choice. I don't have a degree in X introvert-suitable field, or x years experience doing X introvert suited job, or a friend/relative who can randomly get me a job. There is no choice for me unless I want to live on the street and hope for a magical non service job to appear in front of my fucking face by magic. Those jobs, I don't think they exist for some one like me and I have no apparent skills on paper that anyone would give a shit about. I have to do something I'm not really good at and wouldn't choose if I had an alternative, and only hope it will be able to transition into something slightly more suitable somehow. I'm pretty sure if I went to some job counselor or recruiter they wouldn't be able to do any better for me.

sometimes I wish I had studied some kind of computer shit. But then I'd be outdated by now anyway and would have needed more education for newer IT systems or what not, cos I was seriously attending college like, ten years ago

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-21 03:43:05 +0000 UTC]

Here, I don't have such an opportunity. Employers here simply don't hire people who aren't good at something. Too much competition.
I'm working at my mother's company. I draw building plans in CAD. It's quite an easy job to learn. The downside is that when my mother doesn't have work, I don't have work too, which is a financial catastrophe. One guy at school advised me to post offers on the internets as apparently some people make money by doing freelance jobs without being architects. Other than that I can't get any job except for very rare temp stuff when they need someone immediately and hire everyone no question asked.
That experience thing is especially annoying - stuff like warehouse work that is apparently perfectly suited to introverts usually requires over a year of experience. Even cleaning jobs require experience.

I'm studying computer science but I'm not really good at at it. I get mostly Ds and now I'll probably drop out due to lack of money to pay fees. There are social stipends, but for some weird reason they require showing that one had low incomes in previous year, while I have financial problems this year, not year ago*sigh*. One pays big taxes that fund the whole welfare system but when one is in financial trouble, one can't get help because it's designed to favour people who don't contribute anything to society. I don't know what I'm going to do. Too bad we don't have a gun culture like in America here.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-21 04:05:37 +0000 UTC]

Nah, you don't get it. The ONLY jobs availabe are customer service jobs. As long as you're in a place that isn't extremely strenuous, if you're ambivert enough you can generally hack it. It's just I need to be a little more aware of my natural habits and compensate for them. Either you work 'with the public' or you starve, end of story.

I'm not strong enough to work in a warehouse. I barely weigh more than 100 pounds (whatever that is in kg) and I'd need to lift over half my own body weight to even qualify for most of such jobs... up to my entire body weight... lolz and I also have had problems with my back, arms and hands in the past that mean I'd probably end up permanently crippled by repetitive physical work anyway.

I doubt that guns would solve your problems. Then you'd just end up with so many mass shootings every month committed by gutless, despicable cowards who are the lowest humans alive and shoot babies in the face because they have no fucking dignity. Yeah gun culture is fucking awesome. -___-; I love when random innocent people are constantly murdered b/c some dumbass schmuck didn't get enough dates or whatever other crap those cowardly white dudes cry about. If you can't tell, I'm a little angry right now because I jus tread about another fucking waste of carbon this morning before work. One of those 'big men' who are nothing without guns and bombs and use them to kill helpless children because they are having an emo day. Cry moar, you disgusting motherfuckers.

It's people like this who make me wish I believed in Hell. I also love the ones who murder their families including babies... they're awfully darling... then they always off themselves because not only are they SO cowardly they have to kill babies to feel good about themselves, they don't even have the guts to answer for the shit they have done. But I digress.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-22 05:56:05 +0000 UTC]

Wow. That's kinda crazy. Though here lately most of non-customer service jobs are only for people with disabilities.
How do you get through job interviews for that stuff? They usually need less than a minute to notice that I'm not very extroverted and say that they are looking for another kind of a person.

I never saw strength listed as a requirement for warehouse jobs here. I always thought that they use forklifts for heavy stuff. And that there is also non-carrying stuff to do like scanning stuff with a scanner.

You don't need a gun to kill a baby. Just grab it's leg and swing it at a table or something like that. Just make sure that the head hits an edge. Killing family doesn't need a gun either. Just take a knife and stabstabstabstabstab. Or an axe and chopchopchopchop. Simple and effective.
Still, I think that knifes or axes and stuff like that aren't classy enough for attacking government targets.
Yeah, I have to admit that gun saints are usually kinda imprecise during their attacks. I never understood why that guy who was butthurt about not getting government-sponsored psychological help for his autism because he was "asian" not "black" attacked the school students instead of some government institution, especially one actually involved in decision-making that caused his prediction. Or that Brovik guy.
I understand that higher killcounts command greater respect, but lack of precision is kinda lame. I'm a firm believer in precision.
For example bullying or sexual abuse at school. Why not target solely the enemy force and maybe destroy the command centre of the school for being abuse enablers? Or for example when one loses a job and can no longer feed the family. Why kill the family when one can attack the regime that implemented the social Darwinism policies that allow such insane situation as people starving to occur?

Or for example let's say someone was doing some job for a local government, for example estate evaluation and let's say there would be errors in documents provided by the local government that would delay works. And the government would be slow to fix these errors. And certain people would get angry at the government for delays and the government would falsely put blame on the one who is doing the estate evaluation.
And in next public procurement, that company would apply and win and they would eliminate that company using false claims that they caused delays. And that company would go in deep financial trouble and probably go bankrupt. Additionally, the owner would get depression and would have trouble working later. One could envision a new kind of human that would put end to such situations. The old human in situation of crisis would commit suicide. It would solve nothing. The new kind human would strike would use it's potential - ability to resign from life to make an end-game. A sacrificial attack against the agents of the hideous old world of senseless brutality, which is purely mechanical and driven by power instead of ethics.
In that case the new human would identify the decision-makers and make an example of them. I intended to write a collection of stories about stuff like that, but I can't get myself to write regularly.

They do answer for that they have done. It's not like they get to go home and browse the internets and stuff like that. An action like that means that their life is over whenever they kill themselves or surrender.
I wouldn't call them cowardly or gutless - it takes a huge courage to make the ultimate sacrifice.
Also, murder isn't something that is exclusive to people who are "white". Actually, from what I've read murders by "white" men per 100k are 7 times smaller than murders by "black" men per 100k.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-22 06:30:45 +0000 UTC]

I wouldn't call them cowardly or gutless - it takes a huge courage to make the ultimate sacrifice.

No. No, it does NOT take 'courage' to murder helpless children or sleeping family members or random unaware, unarmed strangers with a big gun. If you think that is a courageous act then there is something wrong with you

I would at least possibly have some kind of respect for someone who fought back against an agent of power or oppression and targeted people who actually did something bad (i.e. people who are not helpless and can fight back.) That isn't the kind of person I am talking about at this time.

I'm talking about random/mass shootings, which usually seem to be crazy white dudes shooting up places for some fucked up reason. Much discrepancy in numbers of black vs. white (or whatever) murder and crime rates in the US can probably be connected to disparity in income and other economic/social circumstances as per capita poverty is higher among black Americans... for numerous reasons... I still can't remember hearing about a black guy who randomly walked into a mall and shot up a bunch of children or murdered his family while they slept. Just talking about social perception there, I remember a bunch of white dudes, one MIddle Eastern-ethnicity (don't remember his national origin) dude and one Asian dude in the US, in recent memory who did this shit. Whether that means anything or not, I don't know. but my mental image of a random mass shooter is a disgruntled white guy.

As an aside, I don't entirely understand the deal some people have where they think black men are the scariest people ever. To be quite honest I've never felt threatened by a black guy. OTOH I'm fundamentally suspicious of a lot of white dudes. I'd be statistically more likely to feel threatened in the presence of a random white guy, than a guy of any other race. I'm whiter than a fucking sheet, BTW XD

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-22 22:49:08 +0000 UTC]

It does require courage. Every of that persons is protected the government. To kill random unarmed strangers is to go against the government and against all the might that it possesses.
That they are unarmed is just a question of efficiency. It is logical to target places where people aren't allowed to carry arms as armed enemies would decrease the kill-count which would be kinda counter-productive.
But it isn't cowardly. It would be cowardly if let's say a military unit would attack a defenceless town with a full knowledge that they'll be able to cover it up and get away with it - it would be cowardly because there wouldn't be any threat.
But a civilian committing mass murder faces a certain death or at least certain life imprisonment. Therefore he has to face and defeat the fear of losing the most precious thing that he has - his own life.

If you want cowards, check out Breivik's supporters on DA. They all talk about how they love him but no one of them would actually continue his work because they are afraid to lose their lives.

I heard about coordinated mobs of racist "blacks" gathering and stomping on random (usually "white") people's heads, though. Scary stuff. And much easier to get away with than a shooting spree.
When it comes to shootings and gang violence, probably the hip-hop subculture is to blame. It's destroying youth worldwide.
As for lack of shooting sprees. I'd blame it on racism. The shooting sprees spread by people identifying with the shooter and then some time later doing a shooting spree. Lack of imitation suggests lack of empathy towards the perp caused by not viewing people of different skin colour as people as oneself.

Probably racism and racist interpretation of statistics. Thinking like "there are statistically 7 times more "black" violent criminals per 100k therefore every "black" person is 7 times more likely to become violent." or something like that.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-23 06:09:27 +0000 UTC]

No. Killing, abusing, or harming the powerless is not courageous. You have a VERY FUCKING STRANGE idea of what 'courage' is. To make a great sacrifice, sacrifice one's own life if existing is so miserable. The lives of other beings are not yours to take on a whim... I don't believe in much but I believe this much is 100% sacred.

Brievik's 'work'?? The work of murdering children and writing a bunch of misogynist racist wank? No, most people talk a big talk and will not act because they are lazy and honestly do not have any real convictions-- not even evil ones. It doesn't matter, taking the lives of innocents to make a 'statement' is the mark of a cowardly heart. No matter what the cause or reason. Just taking a risk of losing something isn't 'courage'... if you'll only do so at the cost of other helpless lives. These people are 100% scum. No, scum is way better, I shouldn't insult noble scum like this... to cause suffering on Earth where everyone already suffers, willfully, for no rational reason, is wrong. These shitbags think they can play God and own the lives of other beings because they are so genius and have a great plan. They are worthless and need to start over the cycle of existence as amoeba or something.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-23 18:54:28 +0000 UTC]

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I think this one fits my idea of courage. It doesn't change anything if the victims are powerless themselves. They are still protected by the all-powerful government.
And courageous isn't synonymous with good or honourable.
Killing innocents is a mark of an evil heart, not of a cowardly heart. I haven't seen any definition of courage that would exclude being evil.
And there's no reason to think that courage must be a good thing.
Wouldn't the world be a better place if let's say German soldiers during WWII would all be cowards and would stay home instead of invading other countries or would drop their weapons and surrender when encountering enemy resistance?

And the followers of Breivik aren't lazy and don't lack convictions. They are cowards because they believe in his cause but won't do anything except talking and painting pictures. Courage is the difference between Breivik and his followers. Therefore it would be better for his victims if Breivik would be a coward.
In this case, it could be said that courage is a bad thing .

To be honest, I was never particularly bothered about mass shooters as they always either die or spend the rest of their lives in prison which is a satisfactory conclusion.
I'm more bothered about stuff like 3 guys ganging up on another guy and killing him or leaving him crippled and getting small sentences, because of the injustice of it all. The victim is dead or crippled and these guys still live.
In case of mass murderers all is equal, the victims are dead but the murderer's life is also over.

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Maarika In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-23 21:44:29 +0000 UTC]

Nope, bro, it's not courage that makes people pull the trigger and kill innocent people, it's fear and/or the killer's traumatic life experience. People don't buy guns to feel safer, they buy them because they are afraid. Think about it, if you didn't feel a need to protect yourself or anything else, then you wouldn't need guns or violence in the first place. That's because there is no fear.

Have you ever looked into research about violence? I'm aware of some of the empirical evidence that relates to violence and its causes and effects in society, and every time anyone tries to justify violence in some way, it becomes clear to me that they really aren't aware of what it's all about. If you're interested, I can link you some stuff. Personally, I find violence to be a very intriguing social phenomenon, so I'm trying to learn more about it. It is really quite disturbing how people hold socially destructive views about something they don't even fully understand (and yet, I do understand WHY we have got to this point). We think in terms of evil killers and innocent victims, for example, and demand justice through punishment, when actually we should be looking at the person who pulls the trigger as a victim of the culture and one that can be redeemed (although NOT through the punishment system present in most countries today). Violence is not just an act out of some evil intent or free will, it is a complex problem in public health.

Here's also a question: when you kill innocent people, then in what way are they protected by the 'all-powerful government' - because those people are DEAD? Protecting (if words mean anything) should be about preventing harm in the first place. The only thing the government can do then is exact a punishment but that means it has failed to protect the people.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to Maarika [2012-07-24 01:42:20 +0000 UTC]

I agree about that there should be rehabilitation in prisons. Even for people who have life sentences.

When I was talking about gun culture, I meant that I find such extreme violence to be a quite interesting tool of modifying culture. The death of the old world that I envision would be replacing a part of suicide epidemics of my country with suicide attacks on government targets. The new world would be created because the government would see securing the basic needs of citizens no matter if there's work for them or not as a matter of its own survival.
The same way, many problems like corrupt government officials destroying people and companies would disappear.
Though of course guns aren't necessary for realisation of that vision - though knife and IED attacks would be less classy.
I was thinking about making comics about the new human and his creation of the new world. They would be printed on cheapest paper so that poor and desperate would be able to afford them.
Sadly I don't have art/writing skills to realise these plans .


Well, I don't kill guilty people because of the prison thing, so I think it's quite effective protection.
And for every Breivik there's tons of people who agree with him but wouldn't have guts to sacrifice their life to do the killing.

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Maarika In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-24 10:27:28 +0000 UTC]

I have no clue what you mean by 'the death of the old world'. Care to elaborate? So your country = the whole world??? Somehow it makes no sense to me.

Nope, if you exact extreme violence on any institution you will end up with worse sanctions and repressions than before because you're letting fear of suicide bombers/terrorism rule the entire society. Exactly how does that stop corruption? Corruption exist because the economic system produces scarcity and allows for inequality. If you want to get rid of corruption, you should be getting rid of the monetary system (and thus scarcity). Start looking at problems at their root cause level, or you're gonna waste your time patching up a system that's bound to fail anyway.

I don't think what poor people really need is reading comics about violence. If you really want to do something about poverty, then learn what causes it (and nope, it's not the government or any corrupted official; that's too shallow, look at the bigger picture).

I asked about innocent people, and I didn't get any answer to my question but whatever. Uh, I am glad to hear you're not killing anyone? And what makes you think you can decide whether someone is 'guilty'?
Oh please, how is it a sacrifice? A sacrifice implies that you get something more valuable in return for the important thing you give up, so explain how is the life of one individual (a violent killer) more valuable than the 77 lives he took by force? It's not a sacrifice, it's a mass murder. Doing it for the sake of some ideal (in this case far-right extremism) may be considered a sacrifice for a cause, but only if you believe in that cause. IMO, a cause that requires human sacrifices is not worthy of support in the first place. Also, you do know that Breivik has mental disorders? Just because he had a cause that some other people also endorse but won't act upon (because they're sane) doesn't mean he has more guts than anyone else. It means he's detached from reality. His beliefs are ultimately grounded in fear of any group of people that is non-white, non-male, non-ethnic Norwegian and non-Christian. Sorry, bro, I see absolutely no courage in anything he did.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to Maarika [2012-07-24 12:00:59 +0000 UTC]

Oh, nevermind .

So, how exactly would you implement that non-monetary system? And why would anyone listen to you?
I mean. OK. Within ten years we have a non-monetary system of equality. How do you implement it?

Oh. I thought he was grounded in fear of a savage religion of evil which is basically Christianity with all kinds of depravity added as a bonus, including even more misogyny and intolerance.

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Maarika In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-24 15:17:44 +0000 UTC]

First of all, it's not MY idea or proposal, so there's absolutely no reason why anyone should listen to me, nor is it based on anyone's opinion or wishful thinking - if it's not backed by evidence/proven facts then it's not relevant. A new system cannot be 'implemented' in a sense you might think; it has to grow out from the existing system and render the current system useless/outdated. It is more like a process and than just an action or a law or whatever that could be implemented. It starts with people changing their entire value systems.

What do people need to live healthy and fulfilling lives? Everyone today tells you it's money but that's not true because money is only a means to gain access to necessities that people need and want. What human beings need (and this is universal) is clean water, air, healthy food, housing, love (social connection/empathy in other words). It's not money. Deprive some people of these things and you get the world we live in today. Do you think a world where there are no prisons, police, crime, violence, wars, poverty and hunger is possible under the current money-based system we live in today? I think not. Quite the opposite, these things are all inevitable as long as we run a system that is completely detached from what is actually relevant to human survival. The technology that we have today could easily provide for every person on this planet, no one should be homeless or starving, but when it comes to doing anything in this world, the first thing people ask is "How much does it cost?".

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eva-st-clare In reply to Maarika [2012-07-23 21:55:45 +0000 UTC]

I see often that people feel weak or threatened by nebulous forces and take it out on a perceived vulnerable scapegoat as a replacement for the real cause of their problems... which definitely isn't courage or bravery, like you said, it's grounded in fear at the base of it :/ But a fear that gets twisted into something different... I guess.

I'm kind of interested in this kind of things too, how people become violent, and the reasons for it. from what I can tell, doing more violence doesn't prevent people from being violent, and punishment doesn't deter future violence. The problems are usually something else altogether, desperate wounded people will take extreme measures.

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Maarika In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-23 22:28:54 +0000 UTC]

The reasons for committing mass murders are complex but usually they have something to do with really traumatic experience (especially in childhood), deprivation, humiliation and other dehumanising factors. You could kill a bunch of innocent people just to get everyone's attention because you were ignored your whole life and treated like shit, for example. It is the environment that shapes people to (re)act violently, so there is no reason to glorify about it or think of it as and act of 'courage' although mass media is doing exactly that.

I am really interested in violence prevention and rehabilitation of those who have committed horrendous acts, and I wish you could learn about those things in school. The actual causes for most violent acts are rooted in socio-economic factors, among which the size of the income gap and the extent of inequality in a society are the main causes. So if we're gonna fix things, then it has to be on a fundamental social and economic level. But what do we do? We put people into prison to teach them a lesson so they would never do those bad things again!! Which, btw, does not work at all since most prisoners end up reoffending when they're released because they have nothing else left in their life. I just recently read a book about the experience of female prisoners in the UK, and all the stories the women told were basically the same: prison doesn't make anyone a better person or stop crime (rather it's a form of torture).

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eva-st-clare In reply to Maarika [2012-07-23 23:06:43 +0000 UTC]

Yeah. I'm not theoretically against some kind of correction for people who do extremely violent things,* but it's clear the current prison systems we have don't seem to work too well. Those who go to prison for a long time just end up worse off a lot of the time, cos they spend all their days with even more hardened criminals and nursing bitterness...

It really is largely a socio-economic problem. Although probably even in a 'perfect' society you may get some outliers who would be prone to violence for one reason or another... most violence isn't people just setting out to murder random people for the sake of it-- it has reasons of economic desperation, gang violence which arises from serious poverty and instability, or 'crimes of passion' committed by people who can't handle their emotional states/whatever. Things that didn't mean they were 'evil' people to begin with. We also don't teach people emotional intelligence like how to deal with anger, and we encourage men to be uber masculine all the time and solve problems with force or violence...

*and I think the imprisonment rates for minor drug offenses are just ridiculous in this country, they could at least focus on crime that actually hurts people... but what do I know derp.

I was just watching some crime documentaries the other day and this one was about a murder of a young girl in the UK that went unsolved for some 30 years. A man was arrested for it, convicted and imprisoned despite the fact there was reasonable doubt about his guilt. He rotted in prison for those 30 years, was tortured, basically lost his physical and mental stability from the experience, and after he was finally released by DNA evidence that found the real murderer/rapist, he had a heart attack like, within the year. I don't know how people find this kind of system acceptable...

Hell, just in the past year in the US a man was put to death without proper evidence despite the fact that people had come forward with new information that he could have been wrongly convicted... for innocent people to die, that isn't acceptable loss. Why would you take that risk??

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-23 19:03:58 +0000 UTC]

How is it brave or courageous to take advantage of the weak to obtain one's goals? That's not courage, that's sociopathy.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-23 20:06:00 +0000 UTC]

Because we're not living in an anarchic world.
Therefore defenceless doesn't mean non-threatening.
That the threat isn't directly issued by the victim but by the government doesn't make it non-threat.

The whole point of having stuff like live imprisonment and capital punishment is to make people very afraid of committing certain crimes.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-23 20:20:24 +0000 UTC]

Crimes like murdering children? They should be afraid of doing crimes like that. Because it is deeply, deeply wrong. I don't have a fucking problem with people who murder being punished, and I don't care who punishes them. Although I don't really agree with institutionalized capital punishment because the risk of executing innocent people and legal corruption is too high.

You're then, still using innocent and basically powerless beings as a proxy to attack something else. It's a pretty cowardly way to feel you're being courageous and fighting 'the man' because you are too weak to challenge 'the man' head on. In THAT MOMENT, you are taking the life of a helpless being. IN THAT MOMENT you are a coward, abusing a borrowed power. The abstract threat of a government is irrelevant at that instant when you look into the eyes of an innocent being and pull the trigger. Because you know you can't face someone with a bigger gun than you. You have to attack the weak in order to cause more damage, because against an armed force you would barely leave a scratch.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-23 21:09:20 +0000 UTC]

Nevermind, we keep re-using the same arguments without effect on other side.

Let's agree to disagree.

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eva-st-clare In reply to ForgottenDemigod [2012-07-23 21:24:03 +0000 UTC]

sorry, you'll never convince me there is anything courageous about murdering children.

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ForgottenDemigod In reply to eva-st-clare [2012-07-23 21:03:43 +0000 UTC]

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Nothing about murdering innocents here.

It has nothing to do with cowardice and everything to do with efficiency.
And that threat is relevant. There's nothing abstract about your life ending because of the decision you made.

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Greatkingrat88 [2012-07-16 09:57:57 +0000 UTC]

Gosu colouring skills! Gosu, I say!

*intentionally uses reference nobody will get*

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Tres-Iques [2012-07-16 07:12:38 +0000 UTC]

Your Alice here is so prettiful

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Tres-Iques In reply to Tres-Iques [2012-07-16 12:53:15 +0000 UTC]

And didn't know that it's Alice day on pixiv. I wonder if they have every character's 'day' there :v

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eva-st-clare In reply to Tres-Iques [2012-07-17 03:05:16 +0000 UTC]

I'm pretty sure every character has a day made up for them... but I don't know if there is a list somewhere. 8/3 is Kanako's day (I think 8/9 may be Yakumo day, now that I think of it... )

Marisa's day is 5/16 because KOi (go) I-RO) or Love Colored, 6/16 is Malice day b/c it's inbetween their days

also the day of a full moon is always Ex-Keine Day!

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K-OZ-Will [2012-07-16 05:19:37 +0000 UTC]

This sad Alice looks so beautiful
I love how cold and harmonious the colors feel ^__^

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