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SPOILERS for ME3The endings for ME3 are unimaginably awful. They retroactively sour the whole franchise.
They are bad, stupid, and nonsensical.
BUT the series can be salvaged. All they need to do is release a DLC with more endings, good endings. They don't need to ditch the ones they have, just add some more satisfying ones.
Only 3 things are needed to make this okay.
1. Shepard lives/if their LI lived they are together at the end.
2. The Mass Relays are intact. Nobody is stranded years from home.
3. The Reapers are destroyed/sent away for XK years.
I play games to escape reality. To live a life that I could never experience here, to do things I could never do, to accomplish things I could never achieve. I do not play games to watch a character I have poured hours into playing and tons of emotional investment into fail and die. This will not stand.
If you agree please visit these groups/polls/etc and let your voice be heard.
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EDIT: If you want to use this image for any reason in support of our cause feel free. Credit would be nice but I care more about spreading the word.
EDIT 2: Due to how much attention this is getting when I try to respond to all the comments AND thank people for faving, I end up getting frozen for a while for "spamming". So I'm sorry that for the moment I cannot thank you all for faving, but I do really appreciate it! Hold The Line!
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Comments: 296
TheWonderingSword In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 22:22:23 +0000 UTC]
Yes, it was. It simply did not deliver on the premises/promises of the series. It was a faux philosophical drivel that could have been completely avoided by either a) not shooting yourself in the foot with every ending or b) ending it with TIM.
Occam's razor and all of that.
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AislinnTrista In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 18:20:15 +0000 UTC]
I want this, but I also want them to fix what they did with the ME2 characters. That was also bullsh*t on an epic level.
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Feena-c In reply to AislinnTrista [2012-03-11 18:54:30 +0000 UTC]
I don't have any problems with ME2, but if I did I have to admit it's too late for any fixes. It's not too late for ME3.
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AislinnTrista In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 23:47:13 +0000 UTC]
You misunderstand. What I meant, was the treatment of ME2 characters in ME3.
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Feena-c In reply to AislinnTrista [2012-03-12 00:27:52 +0000 UTC]
Ahhhh. Sorry, my bad. Yeah I could get behind that too. Some things were just off, but I'm willing to accept all the other failings in the game without complaint if the endings are fixed.
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rex3cutor In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 17:30:14 +0000 UTC]
For me it´s totally clear that we need better ending, specially Happy endings. We as Shepard worked so hard for it and then our only option is to die? What the f***. Who was the storywriter for this? Even Harry Potter got his happy end, so why Shepard not? 75 € for depressions und pain. THX Bioware.
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TheWonderingSword In reply to rex3cutor [2012-03-11 18:52:33 +0000 UTC]
I don't mind the dying, in a heroic sacrifice sort of way, but doom the galaxy, kill all synthetics AND probably kill billions every time a mass relay exploded? REALLY???
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rex3cutor In reply to TheWonderingSword [2012-03-11 19:43:00 +0000 UTC]
Heroic would be ok, but like you sayed, you doom the galaxy because of destroying the mass relays. What really pissed me is that all the choises and the desicions playing paragon or renegade ar in the end without any meaning. I made everything to get a good ending, find as many troops as possible and boost my readiness rate with me multiplayer and for what? Only the dead and loosing everything? I hate Bioware for the actual endings. In ME2 there was a chance to survive, so why the don´t give it us here? Only to finish the trilogy?
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TheWonderingSword In reply to rex3cutor [2012-03-11 20:22:18 +0000 UTC]
And they make you care for all of them. I went out of my way to save the Krogan, because Rex and Eve proved to me that they deserved a second chance and I said, F-YOU! to the Salarian leader. Really lady, you want me to a)commit mass genocide and the lie about it and b) I can't believe you can be so incredibly stupid to believe, with all the intelligence you have at your disposal that the Reapers are not going to reap you a new one once they are finished with the rest of the galaxy. The Salarian fleet is the weakest sauce in the universe and you know it.
I liked what happened to Mordin. He went out like the doctor/STG operative he was. Thane, I enjoyed it, from his sacrifice to the prayer and then giving that bastard Kei Long my omniblade in the ribs. Garrus, best buddy ever, will shoot cans until the end of time, even if I let him win. Udina, BioWare, thanks for that Renegade option and the rest, like Jack, Samara and Miranda, well done all around and then....
Bleh....It simply...did...not...make...any...sense.
In fact, I said this before, but they should have skipped the whole thing. Deal with the Illusive Man, watch the Crucible activate (and defeat the Reapers by switching them off or something) and either Shepard lives/dies beside Anderson. Not a true happy ending, but one that was final, made sense, and that honored the spirit of the game
Sometimes the simplest solutions, motivations are the best. Maybe give the Illusive Man lines that explained everything or enough. You would still have SOME people pissed off, but at least it was offered true enough closure, IHMO.
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rex3cutor In reply to TheWonderingSword [2012-03-11 21:06:36 +0000 UTC]
I also saved the krogans against the wish of the dalatrese. It was the only right way for me and in the end you can get the salarians by saving their council member. I didn´t really like what happend to Mordin, but it was an End that suits him. Going with a Big Bang and his studies. I also managed a peacefull solution between quarians and geth. Thane got a great end too. Dying in a fight and not by a disease and mock about the assasin . And the revenge part felt so good. They all had so great special moments and Garrus was the best. I also liked Liaras special moment, cause my Shep was in relationship with her. I wished there would be an option to invite the LI in the captains quarter like part 2.
And you´re totally right. There is too much that didn´t make sense. Best example for me, why is the Normandy in the mass relay system and not near the earth in the battlefield. And why I have to sacrifice all synthetic life including the geth and EDI. They didn´t want to overpower their builders (anymore). Like you say, the simplest would be the best. Fire, stuning/deactivation and than killing them by the gained trooppowers before they find a way to reactivate. So the readyness would have a better sense.
You can´t fullfill all wishes from all the people but I found a survey that says, that only 3% from nearly 19000 people (at that moment) are happy with the result. 87% want a total change and happy end option and 10% want to have the normandy stayed so they can help Shepard.
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TheWonderingSword In reply to rex3cutor [2012-03-11 21:13:22 +0000 UTC]
"They didn´t want to overpower their builders (anymore)."
The thing is, they never did. They could have hunted down the "Creators" but stopped. They only fought when pressed or when suckered by the Reapers.
I also expect a fight like in ME1, but that wasn't strictly necessary.
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rex3cutor In reply to TheWonderingSword [2012-03-11 21:31:46 +0000 UTC]
You´re right, They geth only act in self-defense and EDI never would betray the Normandy crew cause she reached humanity and even found love. A fight wasn´t necessary for me too, but it would have suit the commander . Hopefully Bioware will hear what the community want´s, even if the chances are small.
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TheWonderingSword In reply to rex3cutor [2012-03-11 21:34:12 +0000 UTC]
Although Kotaku is already taking the industry line that, "Oh noes, these idiots don't understand what it takes to make a game, no way they are going to change it, etc."
A message from BioWare? Who knows, but considering the debacle with KOTOR 2 + DA2 (didn't bother finishing it), they better be careful. More popular companies have suffered and even disappeared because of less.
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rex3cutor In reply to TheWonderingSword [2012-03-11 22:09:35 +0000 UTC]
Good, that they make it this way. The More the better. I also signed a petition for better endings --> [link] . Maybe it helps.
I played Kotor 2 (never reached the end) but not 1 so for me it wasn´t that bad, but I´ve allready heard other opinions. DA doesn´t interest me much. I need something with rifles, not swords . But I agree with you. If the didn´t watch out and listen to the community the can sink like the Titanic. So even EA can´t help them anymore
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rex3cutor In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 18:32:51 +0000 UTC]
It´s good to know, that I´m not alone. Hopefully Bioware respects the wishes of the community and where not to 'proud' with their result.
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Feena-c In reply to rex3cutor [2012-03-11 20:47:05 +0000 UTC]
Seriously. I haven't given up hope that they still care what we think. They missed the mark by a mile, but I cannot yet accept they won't try to make it better.
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rex3cutor In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 21:16:01 +0000 UTC]
I also haven´t give up hope, but the developers said, that they are happy with the result what reduces the chance for some changes. I totally agree with you that they missed the mark. For me it was like from a nother game after killing TIM. If they don´t make it better I will lost my trust and hope in Bioware.
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draconiangem In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 17:24:32 +0000 UTC]
Excuse me but isn't there at least 6 kind of endings including a "perfect ending" if you work hard for it? All of you can't be only just picking on.
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Feena-c In reply to draconiangem [2012-03-11 18:04:29 +0000 UTC]
The differences are really only cosmetic. And the best ending still involves everyone being stranded. Shepard is "alive" but stranded who knows where. Likely he'll die of his wounds or starve very soon. That's not satisfying.
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draconiangem In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 22:48:06 +0000 UTC]
But you only need mass relays to travel between clusters. ships can travel between systems just fine. Not like every planet is cut off from the next. Or Shep could just let the reapers win and everyone just excepts death. I don't think that's any more satisfying would it?
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Feena-c In reply to draconiangem [2012-03-11 23:00:53 +0000 UTC]
Yeah but Tali for instance is cut off from her home, it's on the other side of the galaxy.
And no, Shepard letting the Reapers do their thing isn't an improvement either.
This is my list, but from everything I've read it's pretty similar to everyone else's wishes who want more endings.
1. Shepard alive/with LI if they lived.
2. Relays Intact so the Quarians and other aliens can get to their home worlds.
3. The Reapers destroyed/sent away for another XK years.
I play games for happy fun times, not to get depressed.
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draconiangem In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-12 19:33:22 +0000 UTC]
Uh, but Shepard doesn't have to die. Was your score over 4,000? And you can't expect to win something so devastating and not have equal level of sacrifices to achieve it. It's not made by Disney. I feel the ending is fitting and realistic. Also secret ending on your game plus if you want to throw that in there. Point is, people are setting the bar so high and more concern about their own fan fictions than if the game was fun to play or not.
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rex3cutor In reply to draconiangem [2012-03-11 17:32:15 +0000 UTC]
There are even 17 ending including the 'secret ending' but there isn´t much difference between them. If you´re interested --> [link]
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HikariKinawa In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 17:06:19 +0000 UTC]
PLUS MORE ROMANCE DLCs!
TALI x FEMSHEP GO!!!!!!!!!!
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Inkfall In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 17:03:27 +0000 UTC]
After already forking over $85 for the CE of the game, the good ending DLC needs to be GIVEN to fans. I'd have an incredibly hard time justifying putting another cent into this third installment when Bioware didn't deliver to begin with.
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Feena-c In reply to Inkfall [2012-03-11 18:05:03 +0000 UTC]
I would love it if they give it away, but at the same time I love these games enough to pay for what I want if they're willing to make it.
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Ultamisia In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 16:50:53 +0000 UTC]
Yup, those endings were just dreadful, made me feel like all my accomplishments from the past games (including ME3) completely useless. The part were Shep dies, i'm fine with, i figured he/she would regardless. However, no closure was found at any rate, not you LI, your crew honestly, mass relays destroyed? and all the races you help save!
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Feena-c In reply to Ultamisia [2012-03-11 18:06:16 +0000 UTC]
I still want an ending where Shepard lives. It can be hard to get, but I think we deserve to have that option if we work for it. And I agree with everything else you said as well, no closure. Shepard's death was meaningless and happened in a way that derailed his/her character.
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Ultamisia In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 20:24:35 +0000 UTC]
yeah true, having an ending you REALLY had to work for is fine, i cans ee that. Cuz having all that military strenght didn't seem to matter in the slightest. But in any case, if they listened to people to change the book then i'm sure we might see a different ending DLC or some additonal part or epilogue to it. Like: why was joker running away from the blast and how did my team mates make it to the normandy?
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NICK4120 In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 16:40:01 +0000 UTC]
Oh and if the mass relays were destroyed, that means all the star systems were wiped out.
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Feena-c In reply to NICK4120 [2012-03-11 18:06:34 +0000 UTC]
It just gets worse and more nonsensical the more people think about it.
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Kvakva In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 16:24:56 +0000 UTC]
And even Anderson said in game "there is always another way". Yeah right.
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Feena-c In reply to Kvakva [2012-03-11 18:06:54 +0000 UTC]
Pfft. Seriously. All those speeches about hope, and this is what we get?
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Kvakva In reply to Feena-c [2012-03-11 18:21:55 +0000 UTC]
I want my ending with unicorns and fluffy ppl. Someone want their gloom and doom? Okay have it. Have some bad have some good like in ME2. People say ohh the good ending are too much in games/movies, well i care about my crew and my LI, i got attached to them. I brought peace to quarians and geth = so organics and syntetics can life together. I brought peace to turians and krogan. Let me have my good ending, someone wants bad? Your story your actions. All my crew survived ME2 cause i chose it. Let me be in my fairytale and others can be in theirs. Simple as that.
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Kvakva In reply to Kvakva [2012-03-11 18:27:20 +0000 UTC]
And another thing is the uncertainty off it all. What happended to everyone? Why this? I have enough uncertainty in real life.
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Shiyow In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 15:56:42 +0000 UTC]
The ending is horrible, true. But why should we have to "buy" a good ending with a DLC? DLC is about side-stories, not about having a better ending tbh.
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Feena-c In reply to Shiyow [2012-03-11 18:08:01 +0000 UTC]
It's the easiest way to get what we want. We extend an olive branch to them of "We'll pay you for this if you'll just make it for us". We get the endings we wanted, they get to salvage their series and make even more money.
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chibilombax In reply to Shiyow [2012-03-11 16:15:26 +0000 UTC]
Fallout 3 had DLC that fixed the original ending. More of a upgrade. "Broken Steel" I do believe I read someone saying the first Witcher game had a similar problem.
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Shiyow In reply to chibilombax [2012-03-11 17:21:19 +0000 UTC]
It's mixed feelings tbh. I want a different ending, but it feels so cheap to get 1 via DLC.
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chibilombax In reply to Shiyow [2012-03-11 18:19:20 +0000 UTC]
True. There's fan edits online that are proving to be medicinal enough for players. Myself including. Hell I cried like a baby more in relief then sadness on one ending. Players want that type of ending. Not one that depresses the ever loving hell out of you. Sad endings are good but wow these go too far for some people. Again myself included.
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victortky In reply to ??? [2012-03-11 15:54:56 +0000 UTC]
give me a good ending damn it! please!
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