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Finalzidane-X — DBZ Battle of Gods Commemoration
Published: 2013-04-02 10:15:23 +0000 UTC; Views: 1705; Favourites: 18; Downloads: 13
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Aaaaaand here it is. A Pseudo Evolution Goku in Super Saiyan God mode to commemorate my part of Battle of Gods.I made another Super Saiyan Goku before for the DBZ appreciation mode in which many Mangakas submitted to Jump Magazine their visions of the Dragon Ball cast and universe. So I wanted to keep some sort of relation to that previous illustration by re-using a similar style.
Now now, I know many of you will say, “Eeeew, it’s the horrible Movie Goku”, or “Fuck it, it looks like the Movie Goku”.
I for started liked the movie. It even had the Akira Toriyama seal of approval, and in an interview he stated that he liked it as an Alternate Vision to the Dragon Ball Universe. So stop nerd raging about it, it makes me sick.
The Gi is awesome, and I wanted to use it in a Pseudo combination of Anime and Movie Goku.
Enjoy, this one goes to
*Fixed the details specified, and a little over the line red on the eyes.*
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Funny story, a lot of people have noticed the outfit of Justin Chatwin as Goku looks a little similar to the Goku Black character in later stories. Frankly, I don't see it, but I want your two cents on the matter.
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It looks pretty cool actually, i really like the movie version of the outfit, nice work!
try to photoshop those black lines in the cheeks xD
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Thanks, I'll fix that up and possibly work on another illustration of the same vibe.
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I am looking forward to Battle of Gods~ I'd love for it to have a wide US release, but I do not know the likelihood of that (even if it seems like a no brainer).
*still pretty pleased that somebody drew an anime/movie!Goku fuse in Super Saiyan God form* Of all the things I wasn't expecting to happen, you did it. \o/
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Here in Mexico, a nationwide Movie Theather is sharing the movie poster through its Facebook page, in order to accumulate Likes and Shares to discuss the distribution of the movie in Mexican Theathers.
And since the Flow album with the movie themes includes an official English version for Chala Head Chala, it's pretty obvious it's getting an International release
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I've heard Dragon Ball Z is crazy stupid popular in Mexico (besides cost, that's probably one of the reasons DBE filmed in Durango. It seems like a nice place.) If that's anywhere near true, you'll be getting your movie soon enough. Subbed or dubbed though?
Yeah, the English did seem like an advisory step to me. And it's a good cover to boot!
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I'll be watching all 3 dubs. xD
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English and Japanese, I'm hoping for myself. *high five*
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I wish no one gets offended by this, but I feel like I must clear the fact: in the new movie pamphlet Akira Toriyama says that the liveaction movie was bad. I've never heard him to say it so clearly before and I think it's because of japanese way to be polite (no bold complaining).
But this doesn't mean it's actually a bad movie (only point of view) and no one shouldn't like it.
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He never said that the live action movie was bad
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Out of curiosity, does anyone have that "booklet" translated and sourced? I've been hearing conflicting info about his statement, others have said it comes from V-Jump, some have said it was from some 30 minute presentation about Battle of Gods. The only thing that I've seen sourced for sure was an interview where he mentioned disagreements with the production and personally not seeing it as Dragon Ball. Maybe he still sees it as an alternate take, but he doesn't see it as "original flavor" Dragon Ball. (Tastes like Senzu!)
It's not his opinion I'm concerned about, it's how if the booklet does say that, he's contradicting earlier statements entirely. He DID give his approval to the movie despite not seeing it as his product (and being ignored for advice, apparently) and he's been on record about viewing it as an alternate take in interviews & in a text introduction to the movie's trailer when it first came out in theaters. Japanese traditions of politeness aside, it'd be hypocritical of him to be "I have issues with this, but I give my blessings regardless" during and after the development of DBE to DISS MODE ACTIVATE (or what counts for it in Japan) for Battle of Gods promotion. Unless that's how they roll in Japan.
Sheesh, my apologies for the wall of text. Thanks for being polite though! Much appreciated.
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I could't find english translation, but here you can find the pamphlet (scroll, the blue one and under it spotted the sentence), though it doesn't tell anything if you can not read japanese or follow japanese social media:
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I do not take any responsibility for my crappy english translation or his harsh commentary: "(It was a failure) There is big difference compared to the live-action film of certain country, that was a failure and I knew it was going to be".
Ouch.
To understand his action and what he actually meant in these interview, you need also knowledge of japanese culture. Words can contain implicature.
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just doesn't happen normally happen*
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Thanks for sourcing. My understanding of Japanese culture is limited, but I do know that being that blunt just doesn't happen.
This is curious though: if he "knew" that it was going to be a failure and if he said his opinion was disrespected, then why give his approval in the first place? Is there some cultural meaning in that kind of action that I'm missing? He could have found some way to bow out of his involvement with the project without being disrespectful, make a polite but obviously disapproving statement and be done with it. That would have saved some PR hassle from making contradictory statements and saved him from what he perceived as a lost cause.
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Gods only know (ask Birusu, Dende or Goku). I think they asked him only artistic advice/opinion. If japanese say "Hmm. I would think this part a little bit more... but do as you want", it usually means complain. I wonder why they didn't take it seriously. So yeah, I think it is cultural difference.
Believe me, japanese social media can't get enough of this topic (the mood is mostly amused, I could say) - so much hassle for only few words.
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Didn’t only ask for artistic advice/opinion.
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That is weird, usually when people I know say something along the lines of "I'd tweak this personally, but that's your call", it's just basic critique, not a complaint.
Glad that people don't seem offended there at least. To think this could have been avoided by: the producers listening to Toriyama or him bowing out before he could be seen as being positively associated. Better luck next live action movie, I guess.
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Well, they asked Toriyama's opinion~
Some (who think the live-action film was a sacrilege) feel this as a big relieve. Sometimes I wonder why, because - with all respect - it's just an opinion of the original comic artist. It doesn't make something automatically good or bad, or change the fact there might be different kind of construe.
Yeah, better luck next time.
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Perception is a weird and interesting thing.
I guess it comes with the whole "treating the creators as the be all end all of the product" thing. Validation stemming from that. I'd hope it doesn't lead to people trying to justify being jerks to people who did like the movie by being all "HE SAID IT SUCKED, THEREFORE YOU SHOULD THINK IT SUCKS". It's been nearly half a decade since it came out, fighting over it seems like beating a dead horse at this point.
It'll be interesting to see how it's handled. After stuff like The Avengers came out, it's a bit harder to justify not respecting the source material while still providing a new vision. However, it makes me wonder if Western producers will be more willing to get everything in order before putting their visions out or if they'll just keep making the same adaptation mistakes. I'd hope not. Everyone wins when we get a film that respects the source but doesn't just make a mirror of it.
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I don't know about other countries, but here people mostly take it calm (or maybe too many people agree with one opinion?). His comment did get attention, but I think people will only say "Haha, nailed it!" and return to their work as any other day.
And you nailed it too! Thank you for this polite conversation (I'm glad to have a chance to practice my english art the same time).
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Hah!
Your English is very good. To be honest, I only noticed you were from Japan when you mentioned "but here" then I checked your profile. You fooled me, hahah! 
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I’m pretty sure Toriyama didn’t say that the movie was a failure nor did it suck. He gave it an approval and said it’s a different universe.
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Yes, he was positive about the movie and considered it "a New Dragonball of a different dimension" for a text intro to a Dragonball Evolution promo vid that came out in February 2009, a month before the movie came out in Japan: www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/…
What Homssutotuli and I were talking about back in 2013 (six years ago!) were comments that Toriyama made in a theatrical booklet for Battle of Gods that was given out when the movie premiered in Japanese theaters in March 2013, four years after Dragonball Evolution's release. homssutotuli wasn't certain about the quality of their translation, but the Dragon Ball fansite Kanzenshuu (a very reliable Dragon Ball source that's known for its translations) eventually did their own translation: www.kanzenshuu.com/translation…
homssutotuli's translation: "(It was a failure) There is big difference compared to the live-action film of certain country, that was a failure and I knew it was going to be".
SaiyaJedi of Kanzenshuu's translation: "By the way, the battle scenes in the second half are particularly overwhelming! I was moved because the presentation exceeded my expectations. While I had expected, “It probably won’t be any good,” it was greatly different from a certain country’s live-action movie, which really was no good. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb! Everyone on the staff, you really did a great job!!"
You're right in that Toriyama didn't say that the movie was a failure, but he still heavily implied that he didn't think that Dragonball Evolution was good. If you wanted to be charitable, he might have been dissing DBE's fight scenes in comparison to Battle of Gods. Either way, he's definitely not talking about DBE as favorably as he was in 2009.
Toriyama contributed to a TV program interview about a week before Battle of Gods came out in text form, saying that Dragonball Evolution was "incredibly amazing". In the Japanese language, characters can be read multiple ways (and we all know how Toriyama loves wordplay). So the way he wrote "incredibly amazing" can also be read as "unbelievably terrible":www.kanzenshuu.com/translation…
In another interview released the same day as Battle of Gods, Toriyama spoke more disrespectfully of the film staff, in particular them ignoring his feedback. He also disapproved of how "the script had too little of a grasp on the world and its characteristics", and (in huge contrast to considering DBE an alternate universe take on the franchise), he said he didn't consider DBE a movie he could truly call Dragon Ball/a Dragon Ball that could live up to his expectations. This experience was part of why Toriyama had more direct involvement with recent Dragon Ball movies starting with Battle of Gods:www.kanzenshuu.com/translation…
How much of Toriyama's comments are his own feelings or just "let's diss the unpopular film to hype up the new installment that people were still going to like better anyways" is anyone's guess.
As a side note, I wasn't expecting for someone in 2019 to reply to a comment thread from 2013 to counter a translation of a 2013 Toriyama statement...with a 2009 Toriyama statement I had already mentioned in 2013. Not only that, you notice how Homssutotuli's name is crossed out? That means their account is deactivated. Their signature says "I'm not able to answer anymore, so be fair and do not comment", yet you still replied to two of their posts. If you're going to try correcting people, pay more attention to the posts that you're responding to, especially when they're over half a decade old.
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Actually he said he liked it as an alternate version of dragon ball
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Thanks. I check if I can do something, but at least I keep having interesting conversations.
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